He will be mid/low OU, you cant compare him with garchomp and salamence, he is slower than both (95 base speed is awful for a offensice pokemon on this gen), ice type is an awful type giving none resistance to him and 2 important weakness (rock and fighting) and SR weakness, salamence also have SR weakness but with more resistances, 1 inmunity and intimidate. Shallow movepool combined with poor coverage, making him being walled by almost every steel type with decent defenses and other pokemons like the ghost/water jellyfish. His only boosting move is claw sharpen that dont help him on anything vs steel types and he still is too slow to pull that off. Dont let his BS fools you, is a bad pokemon and everyone who ever played with/versus him can tell you the same
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He will be mid/low OU, you cant compare him with garchomp and salamence, he is slower than both (95 base speed is awful for a offensice pokemon on this gen), ice type is an awful type giving none resistance to him and 2 important weakness (rock and fighting) and SR weakness, salamence also have SR weakness but with more resistances, 1 inmunity and intimidate. Shallow movepool combined with poor coverage, making him being walled by almost every steel type with decent defenses and other pokemons like the ghost/water jellyfish. His only boosting move is claw sharpen that dont help him on anything vs steel types and he still is too slow to pull that off. Dont let his BS fools you, is a bad pokemon and everyone who ever played with/versus him can tell you the same
I repeat shallow coverage, dragon hits every thing ice hit, you are only hitting grass types, ground and flying types better and that only helps you with lugia, not other pokemon from those types can take STAB draco meteor so they wont switch in never even, if kyuremuru had other type beside ice, also both are NVE to steel, and focus blast (with the awful 70 acc) is his only way to hit bronzong, jiriachi, scisor, metagross and is incapable of 2hko defensive ones and the offesives one KO kyuremuru after SR. I also like to add pshycal defensive jellysish wall it all day and many pokemons can take a hit outspeed and ohko (terakion, scarftar, etc), and not even say you can use a scarf because he is weak to every single entry hazard.
PO were testing a gen 5 server, the test is over now so you cant play it. Skilled players from PO and smogon played there and all can tell you how bad he is
Grond/fignting combo is rebundant, is the same as dragon/ice (as an offensive the type) the only thing ground is hit over fighting is electic, and no grounded electic type take a CC. But the diferences is on the "defensive" point of view gorund help a little more, electric inmunity, double rock resistance and sandstorm inmunity. while ice only gives weakness and an ice neutraility.
Kyuremu will be used less than infernape but more tha weavile (my predictions)
Kyuremu will be used less than infernape but more tha weavile (my predictions)
Should be, besides having awful acc and not killing most important steel types still helps vs pokemons like natoreii, tyranitar, magnezone, heatran and other uncommon pokemons like registeel and aggron (probably im missing something).
Glaceon does not have 125 base hp, 95 base speed, 130 base atk, or Dragon STAB. So no.
You are waaay off base. His stats help him but he's still bordering on medciocre OU for me. His typing completely ruin what his stats bring, (Ice is HORRIBLE) defensively. Frozen World isn't even that good. Sure it can lower speed, but that accuracy and BP aren't impressive in the slightest. His movepool is lacking and he's pretty slow.
Stop Theorymoning and actually play the game.
Yay, a Dragon/Ice! :)
Kyu's going to be a monster, no doubt about that, but a quick glance over his movepool at Serebii should tell you that there is a disturbing lack of Fire/Ground moves...and you know what that means... Steel, Steel, everywhere!
As long as you keep your token Steel type up and running, Kyu won't fuck your shit up too badly. I'm still making bets for top OU, though, contrary to what PK is saying.
Kyu's going to be a monster, no doubt about that, but a quick glance over his movepool at Serebii should tell you that there is a disturbing lack of Fire/Ground moves...and you know what that means... Steel, Steel, everywhere!
As long as you keep your token Steel type up and running, Kyu won't fuck your shit up too badly. I'm still making bets for top OU, though, contrary to what PK is saying.
125/95/95 defenses hardly matter when you lose 25% from SR, you are hitted by the other 2 harzards and no SS inmunity. Kyuremu also have no save switch in versus offensive teams and with that speed he barely can do anything vs that kind of teams, specially using a 50BP move to see if they switch and if they switch to a poke without a supeffective priority move. Also other styles (stall, bulky offense) always have something capable of taking two hits from him. Also your last argument can be used to every other sweeper/wallbreaker.
How having one steel type is overcentralizing? Every succesful team in the past used atleast 1 steel type, also just for the record i was top 2 on the gen 5 server of PO (filled with good players from PO and smogon) without using scisor, metagross or hetran. So you are saying you are going to spam two 70 BP without STAB move to see if you catch hetran or scisor on the switch? unless you have god-like prediction i find that very unlikely to happen. You last part is dumb really, of course you cant counter a pokemon that have a super effective 140 BP move vs you, also you can do the same thing but in the other way, kyuremu cant counter any dragon . And about fighting types probably you never heard about roopushin, machamp, hitmontop, etc
You know salamence can do all that what you said, the only difference is resisting electric vs resisting fighting, ground inmunity and intimidate, 10 times better and no one is even talking about salamence uberness for this gen. Again dont let the stats fools you, he have an awful movepool combined with an awful type and a average speed
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I cant agree more with this. Specially with the last part
PK and Bad Romance, what would you say are the main counters for Kyuremu in OU?
I'm pretty sure of them myself, but just to confirm: SR and Steels mostly, although if it doesn't hit them with Frozen World anything which is faster with a powerful STAB'ed super effective attack counts too.
-SR looks like having diminished usage. Still important but not as crippling as in the past. Anyway, many relatively comparable pokemon in the past have also had a 2x weakness and gone on to be high OU, and in Salamence's case, low Uber. The non-DD mence were typically forced to switch a lot as well, and it wasn't too crippling for it on account of its vast power. Kyuremu actually hits much much harder specially. The difference is that Kyu has very limited ability to hit steels - (although it is clear to me that offensively Dragon and Ice aren't redundant together in OU (although, yes in Ubers). There are a huge number of potential OU's which are hit SE by Ice, whilst Dragon gets few SE hits but great coverage all round. Some major examples where Ice helps: Shaymin-S, Randorosu, Borutoruso and the other one in the trio, Gliscor, Hippowdon etc etc. The right Dragon move can down some of these but both Outrage and Draco M have horrible side effects).
Anyway, as I was saying - Steel types. Forretress, Genosect, Scizor, Metagross, Jirachi all basically wall its STAB's + Focus Blast. Thats pretty much it, as Focus Blast hits other steels super effectively. Firstly, three of these, and Nattorei who has the defenses to take neutral Ice moves, take 4x damage from HP Fire. All of them share common weaknesses to Fire, a very common offensive type; all of them can be trapped by Magnezone; all of them will also be relied on to halt other Dragons. With these characteristics in mind, while Jirachi and Metagross clearly wall Kyu, none of them are going to hang around if you give Kyu the proper team support.
Ice is difficult to switch Kyu in with. Sure, thats a given. On the other hand, it can switch in on a number of common types, significantly Water, but also on pretty much any moderate neutral hit, without taking much damage. There are a surprising number of things which can't hurt it much. Its niche to me seems to be walling most water types incredibly easily, and then once its in, it can hit the switch with Frozen World and go from there. If its something it can kill when faster, great. If its not, its a Steel type who you can trap or take out as mentioned above.
I'm not trying to say its Uber. Its clearly not, unless it sneaks in at the bottom (unlikely). I just think your predictions of mid-low OU are extremely pessimistic. Its typing, while clearly not a blessing, does give it some helpful qualities as I said.
I'm pretty sure of them myself, but just to confirm: SR and Steels mostly, although if it doesn't hit them with Frozen World anything which is faster with a powerful STAB'ed super effective attack counts too.
-SR looks like having diminished usage. Still important but not as crippling as in the past. Anyway, many relatively comparable pokemon in the past have also had a 2x weakness and gone on to be high OU, and in Salamence's case, low Uber. The non-DD mence were typically forced to switch a lot as well, and it wasn't too crippling for it on account of its vast power. Kyuremu actually hits much much harder specially. The difference is that Kyu has very limited ability to hit steels - (although it is clear to me that offensively Dragon and Ice aren't redundant together in OU (although, yes in Ubers). There are a huge number of potential OU's which are hit SE by Ice, whilst Dragon gets few SE hits but great coverage all round. Some major examples where Ice helps: Shaymin-S, Randorosu, Borutoruso and the other one in the trio, Gliscor, Hippowdon etc etc. The right Dragon move can down some of these but both Outrage and Draco M have horrible side effects).
Anyway, as I was saying - Steel types. Forretress, Genosect, Scizor, Metagross, Jirachi all basically wall its STAB's + Focus Blast. Thats pretty much it, as Focus Blast hits other steels super effectively. Firstly, three of these, and Nattorei who has the defenses to take neutral Ice moves, take 4x damage from HP Fire. All of them share common weaknesses to Fire, a very common offensive type; all of them can be trapped by Magnezone; all of them will also be relied on to halt other Dragons. With these characteristics in mind, while Jirachi and Metagross clearly wall Kyu, none of them are going to hang around if you give Kyu the proper team support.
Ice is difficult to switch Kyu in with. Sure, thats a given. On the other hand, it can switch in on a number of common types, significantly Water, but also on pretty much any moderate neutral hit, without taking much damage. There are a surprising number of things which can't hurt it much. Its niche to me seems to be walling most water types incredibly easily, and then once its in, it can hit the switch with Frozen World and go from there. If its something it can kill when faster, great. If its not, its a Steel type who you can trap or take out as mentioned above.
I'm not trying to say its Uber. Its clearly not, unless it sneaks in at the bottom (unlikely). I just think your predictions of mid-low OU are extremely pessimistic. Its typing, while clearly not a blessing, does give it some helpful qualities as I said.
Sorry about double posting but the last one got way too long. Salamence does not resist the same things as Kyu. If you keep posting stuff while ignoring the obvious conclusions, of course you see stuff like that. Sure, Sally resists Water. It also gets completely raped by Ice Beam, which pretty much every water type commonly carries (except Kingdra, but Dragon v Sally also hurts). The Ground immunity isn't a big issue; this is where Kyu's nice defenses help out.
I was going to mention, the Serebii ItemDex has just gone up, and addition to the light and Dark Stones which are attributed to Reshiram and Zekrom, there's something called a "God Stone", grey and the same shape as these other two, which seems sure to be Kyu's special item. The other two Stones supposedly "restore" Resh and Zekrom; it makes a lot of sense if this last Stone gives Kyu a better form.
I was going to mention, the Serebii ItemDex has just gone up, and addition to the light and Dark Stones which are attributed to Reshiram and Zekrom, there's something called a "God Stone", grey and the same shape as these other two, which seems sure to be Kyu's special item. The other two Stones supposedly "restore" Resh and Zekrom; it makes a lot of sense if this last Stone gives Kyu a better form.
Its not exactly the typing that upsets me, there are pokemon with worse typing and they get along just fine (Celebii)
I'm dissapointed in its movepool.
Theres no Dragon Dance, only Claw Sharpen.
Its only real options are Ice Beam, Dragon Claw/Outrage/Dragon Pulse, Focus Blast, Shadow Claw and Draco Meteor.
That is quite a poor movepool, especially going back to the point it only has Claw Sharpen.
But even compared to a so-called "hyper offensive metagame" (For how many generations have I heard that?) I think he'll still be too overwhelming in OU for the simple fact it has 125 hp and 90/90 defenses (Swampert wishes he had that) But I think he'll be quite forgotten in Ubers.
I'm dissapointed in its movepool.
Theres no Dragon Dance, only Claw Sharpen.
Its only real options are Ice Beam, Dragon Claw/Outrage/Dragon Pulse, Focus Blast, Shadow Claw and Draco Meteor.
That is quite a poor movepool, especially going back to the point it only has Claw Sharpen.
But even compared to a so-called "hyper offensive metagame" (For how many generations have I heard that?) I think he'll still be too overwhelming in OU for the simple fact it has 125 hp and 90/90 defenses (Swampert wishes he had that) But I think he'll be quite forgotten in Ubers.
I have thought up a decent set for Kyuremu:
Kyuremu @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Nature: Naive/Modest
Ability: Pressure
6 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
~Substitute
~Hidden Power Fire
~Focus Blast
~Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor
Substitute is critical, for this pokemon because priority is very common, especially Bullet punch, and Mach punch. Setting up a Sub, would prevent the priority from doing massive damage damage to you. You can effectively bait out Scizor and hit it for a clean OHKO. Focus blast takes care of Heatran. A spinner is really needed to keep Stealth rock off the field because it doesn't want to switch into stealth a lot.
My thoughts on Kyuremu is that is has great stats, 130 in both offenses is great, however it suffers from bad typing, and really can't do much to steels. Having 95 base speed, is a blow to it as well, since so many dragons new and old outspeed it.
Kyuremu @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Nature: Naive/Modest
Ability: Pressure
6 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
~Substitute
~Hidden Power Fire
~Focus Blast
~Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor
Substitute is critical, for this pokemon because priority is very common, especially Bullet punch, and Mach punch. Setting up a Sub, would prevent the priority from doing massive damage damage to you. You can effectively bait out Scizor and hit it for a clean OHKO. Focus blast takes care of Heatran. A spinner is really needed to keep Stealth rock off the field because it doesn't want to switch into stealth a lot.
My thoughts on Kyuremu is that is has great stats, 130 in both offenses is great, however it suffers from bad typing, and really can't do much to steels. Having 95 base speed, is a blow to it as well, since so many dragons new and old outspeed it.
Main counters are:
Scarftar: Can switch in anything but focus blast and OHKO with SE
Natoreii: If he lacks HP fire or if its raining
Hetran: If he lacks Hp ground
Jiriachi: Wall him to no end with wish
Scisor: If he lacks HP fire (defensive version) or just ohko with bullet punch
Metagross: Survive everything and is even capable of setting up his own sweep
Specially defensive skarm: If he switch in draco meteor he wall kyuremu
The jellyfish ( dont remember the name): With good ev spreed take less than 60 from draco meteor and WoW him
This is SOME counters, he is also checked by so many things (every dragon with more than 95 spe, the four horses, roopushin, breloom, etc), and the only two on that list who magnezone traps and kill without using shity hidden power is skarmory and natoreii, both use shed shell 90% of the time for shaderaa (magnezone is not close to be considerated a threat), because defensive jriachi isnt 2hko'ed by HP fire, HP ground for hetran is awful, scisor can use u-turn (if you imply you can perfectly predict i can do the same), metagross ko with with EQ.
Dont bring the team support to say he is good, every single pokemon in the game is good with good team support so that isnt a valid point. Also you said he wall all the water types but it seems you forget boiling water, the move every single water type spam, you probably could know this if you ever played gen 5 and not just theorymoning. You are talking about the gen 5 "metagame" as you know it saying SR is less used, and that is not even close to the truth, SR is equally common on gen 5. And again you cant compare salamence to kyuremu they arent close to be the same DD, superior speed, PERFECT COVERAGE with 4 moves, more resistance, reliable recovery moves and intimdate is the perks of salamence over kyuremu, kyuremu just have stronger draco meteor and thats it (again dont use water types argument because of boiling water no sweeper have a save switch in) he have no way to beat his counters.
Ice/Dragon is more rebundant in OU than in Ubers, in OU everything than is hittid super effective by ice is severy hurted (or OHKO'ed) by draco meteor so no need for ice beam, every pokemon you named is OHKO'ed by draco meteor except specially defensive hipowdom who cant take two, while in ubers ice helps you with lugia and groundon (better than nothing). Im not saying he is good in ubers im just showing your point is wrong.
Also you said i ignore the obvius when i forgot neutrality to ice beam is a perk for kyuremu, but you seems to forget perfect coverage, intimidate, more speed, DD, etc, but that isnt import neutrality to ice beam is way better (/sarcasm). So before implying my post lacks of correct argument you should read it completly and then reply.
Also about the "god stone" i only have something to say, remember swimming googles, and if that did exist at best is just like adamant orb giving a LO boost to your STAB, and only that
Look, you're completely mistaking the pro-Kyuremu argument. Its not a sweeper, lets get that out the way.
ScarfTar is hardly a counter. It can only come in on a Dragon move, as both Frozen World and Focus Blast will give it only a 30% chance of surviving (e.g. Focus Blast misses - of course it can switch out after Frozen World). Nattorei clearly doesn't wall HP Fire versions, which could be fairly common, except in Rain. Heatran clearly doesn't wall it either. Only a Choice Specs set can threaten to KO Kyuremu quickly, while it can KO with some Focus Blasts. Also, how in the name of God do you expect Metagross to KO it with Earthquake? I think you mean Meteor Mash
You also seem to be under the impression that most Kyuremu sets will be screwed by being Will-o-wisped. Its special movepool is much better - Outrage and Stone Edge, neither of which really suit it, are the only physical options.
Dragons with +95 speed can only get rid of it if they come in after a KO. Again, all of its dragon moves will KO, and Frozen World will OHKO most and halve the speed of others. If they do come in after a KO, then the same arguments you've just been touting for why Kyu is walled easily come into play - they can't kill it without using Draco Meteor or Outrage, and suddenly, surprise, they can't touch Jirachi / Metagross etc. This relies on some decent prediction from the Kyu user, but the point still stands.
Your argument about Boiling Water is completely ridiculous. Don't take offense but it is. First, are you saying that nothing which uses physical attacks should stay in against a water type? Secondly, if it gets unluckily burnt, its a nuisance but I can't see it having more than one physical move on any set. It can then set up a Sub, giving it a safety net to Frozen World whatever comes in. Remember, its a 30% chance.
Ice IS useful. Listen, please. Outrage and Draco Meteor score pretty much the same KO's, with exceptions. However, one halves your Sp.A, and the other locks you in. If you can avoid using them, you should unless you're sure the Steels are gone.
Intimidate and DD and perfect coverage make Salamence a better sweeper. No one has questioned that, its obvious. KYUREMU IS NOT A SWEEPER. It doesn't have the moves or the typing. What it does have over Salamence and others are its ability to abuse Frozen World alongside its stats and Substitute (possibly). It won't plow through a team, but there are quite a few pokemon which it can set up a Sub against, KO the switch in unless its Jirachi or Metagross, and then leave having taken almost nothing.
Last, since this is getting long, the "God Stone" (doesn't that sound dumb? Its on Serebii's item list anyhow) isn't an attempt by me to build Kyu up. I'm implying it probably has significance in the next game, like Griseous Orb and Giratina. However, you don't know anything about it either, so you can't presume what its effects are.
Edit: Just a brief note, but Metagross doesn't counter particularly effectively either. I did some calcs using a LO MOdest Glaceon with Icy Wind, which is pretty close to a Kyu with Frozen World (okay so its slightly more but bear with me). Icy Wind / Frozen World is doing approx. 20%, and Draco Meteor is doing 50% or so when you add on STAB. Thats a lot of damage for a Metagross to switch into when you assume its also taking team duties for stopping Sazando/Salamence :)
ScarfTar is hardly a counter. It can only come in on a Dragon move, as both Frozen World and Focus Blast will give it only a 30% chance of surviving (e.g. Focus Blast misses - of course it can switch out after Frozen World). Nattorei clearly doesn't wall HP Fire versions, which could be fairly common, except in Rain. Heatran clearly doesn't wall it either. Only a Choice Specs set can threaten to KO Kyuremu quickly, while it can KO with some Focus Blasts. Also, how in the name of God do you expect Metagross to KO it with Earthquake? I think you mean Meteor Mash
You also seem to be under the impression that most Kyuremu sets will be screwed by being Will-o-wisped. Its special movepool is much better - Outrage and Stone Edge, neither of which really suit it, are the only physical options.
Dragons with +95 speed can only get rid of it if they come in after a KO. Again, all of its dragon moves will KO, and Frozen World will OHKO most and halve the speed of others. If they do come in after a KO, then the same arguments you've just been touting for why Kyu is walled easily come into play - they can't kill it without using Draco Meteor or Outrage, and suddenly, surprise, they can't touch Jirachi / Metagross etc. This relies on some decent prediction from the Kyu user, but the point still stands.
Your argument about Boiling Water is completely ridiculous. Don't take offense but it is. First, are you saying that nothing which uses physical attacks should stay in against a water type? Secondly, if it gets unluckily burnt, its a nuisance but I can't see it having more than one physical move on any set. It can then set up a Sub, giving it a safety net to Frozen World whatever comes in. Remember, its a 30% chance.
Ice IS useful. Listen, please. Outrage and Draco Meteor score pretty much the same KO's, with exceptions. However, one halves your Sp.A, and the other locks you in. If you can avoid using them, you should unless you're sure the Steels are gone.
Intimidate and DD and perfect coverage make Salamence a better sweeper. No one has questioned that, its obvious. KYUREMU IS NOT A SWEEPER. It doesn't have the moves or the typing. What it does have over Salamence and others are its ability to abuse Frozen World alongside its stats and Substitute (possibly). It won't plow through a team, but there are quite a few pokemon which it can set up a Sub against, KO the switch in unless its Jirachi or Metagross, and then leave having taken almost nothing.
Last, since this is getting long, the "God Stone" (doesn't that sound dumb? Its on Serebii's item list anyhow) isn't an attempt by me to build Kyu up. I'm implying it probably has significance in the next game, like Griseous Orb and Giratina. However, you don't know anything about it either, so you can't presume what its effects are.
Edit: Just a brief note, but Metagross doesn't counter particularly effectively either. I did some calcs using a LO MOdest Glaceon with Icy Wind, which is pretty close to a Kyu with Frozen World (okay so its slightly more but bear with me). Icy Wind / Frozen World is doing approx. 20%, and Draco Meteor is doing 50% or so when you add on STAB. Thats a lot of damage for a Metagross to switch into when you assume its also taking team duties for stopping Sazando/Salamence :)
He also can't switch in on Frozen World as it would negate his Scarf boost making him slower than Kyurem.Damage Calc:
Focus Blast vs. Scarf Tyranitar= 112.3%-133.3%
Frozen World vs. Natorrei 252/252+= 25.9%-30.7%
Focus Blast vs.Natorrei 252/252+= 53.4%-63.1%
Natorrei 0EV Gyro Ball vs. Kyurem= 61.4%-72.6%
Both hurt bad but not quite KO.Also of note is Natorrei might not run this much SP.Def.
Focus Blast vs. Sp.Def Heatran 252/252+= 51.8%-61.1%
Heatran 0EV Flamethrower vs. Kyurem= 35.8%-42.5%
Heatran 0EV Lava Plume vs. Kyurem= 30.2%-35.8%
The Frozen World doesn't do jack (6-8%).
Frozen World vs. WishSupport Jirachi 240/76= 16.2%-19.2%
Focus Blast vs. WishSupport Jirachi 240/76= 33.2%-39.2%
Jirachi 0EV Iron Head vs. Kyurem= 48.1%-57.3%
Jirachi Wins.
Frozen World vs. CB Scizor 248/0= 24.5%-28.9%
Focus Blast vs. CB Scizor 248/0= 50.1%-59.5%
CB Scizor Bullet Punch vs. Kyurem= 90.5%-106.4%
CB Scizor U-Turn vs. Kyurem= 52.4%-62.1%
Scizor Wins with Bullet Punch.If they predict switch and use U-Turn, Kyurem stays in and wins with Stealth Rock on field for Scizors 2 switch ins.Most likely.
Frozen World vs. AgiliGross 60/0= 24.1%-28.5%
Focus Blast vs. AgiliGross 60/0= 49.7%-58.5%
Frozen World vs. CB Metagross= 25.2%-29.9%
Focus Blast vs. CB Metagross= 52.2%-61.5%
CB Metagross Bullet Punch vs. Kyurem= 61.9%-73.7%
Metagross Wins
I don't now the jellyfish spreads but it would probably be very solid.The others you list as checks can't switch in so Kyurem probably just scored a KO.Yes it sucks hes forced out or sacrificed but this happens to alot of pokemon after a KO.Another thing to note is how Scizor and Metagross used Bullet Punch to win.If they are Choice Banded, they are now easy setup bait on anything with a Steel resist or being trapped by Magnezone.Shandera (spelling? ghost/fire Shadow Tagger) can not only trap them and finish them with Flamethrower but could also set up on them.Same is true for Fighting and Normal priority moves like Mach Punch and Extremespeed.
Also of note.The calcs I used were using this set:
Kyurem @ Icicle Plate
Modest 4 HP/252 Sp.Atk/252 Speed
-Frozen World
-Draco Meteor
-Focus Blast
-Blizzard
Not the best but eh.Since Icicle Plate was used instead of Life Orb, the damage will be higher for Orb users.Also of note was that Draco Meteor did only slightly lower damage than Focus Blast averaging I think 6%-10% less (going by memory.have to double check) so one could fire a Meteor if they are afraid of the accuracy of Focus Blast.
Stats are quite a large variable when considering how a pokemon performs. His bulk is considerable, it will be very hard to OHKO him, especially in OU. As for 130/130 attack... Salamence was banned from OU for having 135/110 attack... and salamence didn't have a secondary STAB.
On the subject of STAB, ice really isn't that bad. The main negatives are weakness to SR (which isn't a tm now, and is easy to spin) and bullet punch(Unboosted Scizor cannot OHKO), Ice/ dragon kind of trip over each other a bit offensively yes, but STABed ice beam will OHKO garchomp/ Salamence/ Shaymin-s/ Rayquaza even if they run yache. That is something STAB dragon does not guarantee. Talking of STAB dragon, 130/130 attacks hurt. a lot.
Frozen world will stop a DD sweep, and damage the user. That is huge in a metagame full of offensive dragons like salamence and Rayquaza. This furthers Kyuremu's usefulness as a counter ultility.
His movepool limits his versatility, but his Stats allow a very offensive mixed spread, or a defensive one, depending on what synergy you want with your team. Kyuremu will definitely find a few niches in whichever metagame it finds itself (looks to be Uber, but that is obviously still contraversial). Kyuremu looks to be more of a counter ultility and stall breaker, so maybe it will make OU and be counteracted by what looks to be a very offensive metagame. Who knows? Definitely needs to be tested in-game, theorymon is limited
It's not something that an Icy Wind won't do. The damage difference is only 10 BP. What a joke.
If only this got Earthquake or Fire Blast..
I can see this in OU as Kyuremu is easily walled by steels. It's typing makes it a fantastic counter to just about every water type.
I can see this in OU as Kyuremu is easily walled by steels. It's typing makes it a fantastic counter to just about every water type.
Wrong, Raptorg. One, unless Kyu runs max speed, which I'm thinking is unlikely in favour of much bulkier spreads, a number of Scarfed pokemon as well as speed freaks like Ninjask and Deoxys will have more than 1.5x speed than Kyu. Frozen World halves speed. Also, while the damage difference is not huge it could feasibly be the difference between KOing a SE target. Also, it allows pokemon slower than Kyu to still outspeed a fast opponent if Kyu switches or is KO'd. Not a big difference, but its still a move almost perfectly suited to helping Kyu's typing related predicament (without being a completely OP move).
In terms of sets I'm currently leaning towards either a basic Substitute-Frozen World combo with Focus Blast and Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse tacked on; or you could go for a mixed stall breaker.
Or, since its weaknesses are almost all physical moves, it could make a very nice special defensive wall which can still massively hurt stuff. With its defenses, +spdef nature and ev investment could let it wall the great majority of special attackers, hopefully forcing a switch, and then you have the perfect coverage move in Frozen World to hit the incoming pokemon with.
In terms of sets I'm currently leaning towards either a basic Substitute-Frozen World combo with Focus Blast and Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse tacked on; or you could go for a mixed stall breaker.
Or, since its weaknesses are almost all physical moves, it could make a very nice special defensive wall which can still massively hurt stuff. With its defenses, +spdef nature and ev investment could let it wall the great majority of special attackers, hopefully forcing a switch, and then you have the perfect coverage move in Frozen World to hit the incoming pokemon with.
Great offensive stats! Another feared Dragon in the 5th generation. With Salamence and Garchomp being not banned most likely, their getting some competition!