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Most Generation PRNG Help / Information
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So far, I've been RNG breeding in HG/SS only because I find it easier, but I want some eggs to be hatched in Sinnoh, while still being shiny.
So, I'm wondering, if you trade an egg to another game and it hatches, which ID/SID does it have? The 1st game or the 2nd game?
If it takes the ID/SID of the second game, could I just use my Platinum ID/SID in RNG Reporter to make spreads that are shiny, RNG them in SS and then trade them into my Platinum to hatch, where they'd be shiny and have flawless IVs?
So, I'm wondering, if you trade an egg to another game and it hatches, which ID/SID does it have? The 1st game or the 2nd game?
If it takes the ID/SID of the second game, could I just use my Platinum ID/SID in RNG Reporter to make spreads that are shiny, RNG them in SS and then trade them into my Platinum to hatch, where they'd be shiny and have flawless IVs?
As long as you RNG the baby egg with your Plat's ID/SID, everything will remain the same, just it'll turn shiny for that game.
Well, I'm RNGing the egg in my SS with a spread that would be shiny in my Plat, so it's just a matter of trading it into my Plat after getting the egg and hatching it there, right?
Yeah, if it's completely RNG'd with the ID/SID that is on your platinum. Once you trade it over to plat, it shall hatch shiny.
Great, thanks. :)
EDIT: I seem to need this to be spelled out to me completely. Really sorry for this long post. >_<
Could you make sure I'm doing this right?
Platinum: ID-37739 SID-62247
Soul Silver: ID-00124 SID-37779
Using RNG Reporter's Shiny Egg Time Finder with my Platinum's ID/SID, I find:
Seed: 95170458
Naturally, since the rest of the info there (coin flips, taps, etc) pertains to Platinum, I copy and paste the seed into RNG Reporter under DPPt Egg PID (Normal). I find that the egg is on frame 37 (so, I'm guessing that after the taps and flips you would do in DPPt, that you'd be on frame 36?). This means that, in my SS, after hitting that seed, I'd need to hatch 36 eggs (I'm hoping to find a lower number... >_>), and then save in front of the 37th. If I were to hatch this egg and check, it would have the correct nature, ability, and gender, but it won't be shiny, right?
From there, I would RNG for the IVs, as I'm receiving the egg in SS, I would check HG/SS Inheritance. After getting the egg, I'd trade it into my Platinum, where I'd hatch it, and should have the wanted nature, ability, gender, IVs and be shiny. Since the IVs are determined when you get the egg, there shouldn't be a problem that D/P/Pt has a different IV spread for that same seed and frame, right?
OR
Is the shiny egg info given for DPPt shiny eggs solely because coin flips advance the RNG for eggs? I noticed that DPPt Egg PID (Normal) is used for HG/SS as well, so could I potentially:
Use my Platinum's ID/SID to find a shiny egg, however, this time, check HG/SS Shiny Egg.
I chose the seed: 900B02B3. The shiny egg is on frame 1.
RNG as per usual. Save in front of the daycare man on the first egg. To verify, I should have the correct nature, ability, and gender if I hatched it. Once again, no shininess.
RNG for IVs as per usual (HG/SS Inheritance box checked). Once again, question about IVs asked in previous method also applies here. Trade and I should have the desired pokemon upon hatching in Platinum.
I know learning to RNG for eggs in DPPt is probably easier than asking these questions, but I'm just so used to HGSS. >_<
So you're asking how to get it shiny for that game?
You don't have to do all that DPPt RNG'ing crap. All you need to do is get it to where you're doing a HGSS egg. So say you're going for a shiny egg in your SS. You put in your ID/SID (for example let's use 12345 67890).
So you do that check mark box for HGSS shiny egg. Where it says ID/SID where you'd normally put 12345 67890, instead of that, put in your Plat's ID/SID.
So instead of 12345 67890, you'd put 09876 54321 (plat ID/SID). Than RNG for the egg as normal.
You can not mix the DPPt and HGSS rng'ing in that way.
Ah, alright, thanks. Guess I made it unnecessarily complicated for myself by thinking the differences between the two can fixed by subbing something else in place of the difference. >_<
I would like help on this please...
Maybe you're hitting your wrong delay/frame?
I can't help much more from the information you've given me so far.
As most of us don't use the Everstone, and as far as I've seen no one has had a problem with it. So it must be something you're doing.
So if you give me the run down of what you're doing exactly, I can attempt to help you further
~Zombie.
Yes right. I will start over. I have successfully completed over 30 RNG breeds, getting the correct shininess/ability/gender/nature and then getting the correct IVs so there is no error in hitting the wrong delay (All of those RNGs were with an Everstone). However, I found that if I did the RNG with a Ditto without the everstone that I tended to get the wrong nature/ability/gender but would still get the shininess. This happened every time I didn't use a Ditto with an Everstone. Last night I tried it again and actually got what I was going for but I am pretty sure the odds are very much against me that if I hit the wrong delay I would still get a shiny so...I don't really know what was happening.
As Bakus had said, if the everstone thing seems to work for you, I guess just go with it.
I don't know how to help you fix your problem, as I can't see what you're doing or what's really going on. All I can really suggest is keep using the everstone I suppose. Since it seems to be working amazingly well for you.
Sorry I couldn't have been of better help,
~Zombie.
Quick question about RNG breeding on HGSS:
When you make the Elm calls to verify your seed, does it advance the frame the same way as if you were RNGing for IVs? i.e. if I have my desired nature, ability, etc on a frame of 1, does calling Elm 12 times to check my seed advance the frame too far? If so, how do I verify my seed if my desired nature and ability are on frame 1? Should I try for frame 9 or so instead?
Thanks!
When you make the Elm calls to verify your seed, does it advance the frame the same way as if you were RNGing for IVs? i.e. if I have my desired nature, ability, etc on a frame of 1, does calling Elm 12 times to check my seed advance the frame too far? If so, how do I verify my seed if my desired nature and ability are on frame 1? Should I try for frame 9 or so instead?
Thanks!
RNG'ing for shinies, and IV's have 2 different types of frame advancement.
For shiny, nature, ability, and gender, you would call Joey to advance your frame (only way I know of). Each time you call him it advances the frame by 2. So if you call him once that would make the frame 2, than putting the Pokes into the daycare using the daycare lady adds 1 more frame advancement, so you'd want your frame to be that of 3.
You're going to want to make your shiny frame odd. Usually I don't aim for frame 1, as it sometimes messes up. I go for a frame of 3-17.
As for IV's, frame advancement can be advanced 3 different (mostly consistent) ways. First is that of Elm, it is always a +1 frame advancement per call, there is also Joey which is +2, than the radio which is inconsistent but yields a nice 16-18 frame advancement.
Hope that was the answer you were looking for,
~Zombie.
Hey, thanks for your quick reply. So let me see if I have this straight:
I thought you entered the game on a frame of 1, but according to what you've just said, I enter the game on a frame of 0, and putting the parents in the day care advances the frame by 1. So if I was going to go for a frame of 3, I'd call Joey once and place the parents in the day care, and then I should be on the right frame. Does this sound right?
Also, what can screw up my frame? Do wandering NPCs affect it? I'm guessing not, since you just said the only way you know to advance the nature/ability/gender frame is to call Joey. Do incoming calls ruin your results?
Thanks for your help!
I thought you entered the game on a frame of 1, but according to what you've just said, I enter the game on a frame of 0, and putting the parents in the day care advances the frame by 1. So if I was going to go for a frame of 3, I'd call Joey once and place the parents in the day care, and then I should be on the right frame. Does this sound right?
Also, what can screw up my frame? Do wandering NPCs affect it? I'm guessing not, since you just said the only way you know to advance the nature/ability/gender frame is to call Joey. Do incoming calls ruin your results?
Thanks for your help!
I do believe you enter on frame 0, than just advance it from there.
Yuppers putting both parents in a daycare at the same time advances it by 1.
Yes 1 Joey call = 2, plus the 1 for putting the parents in = 3. So you'd be on frame 3.
Well, I didn't mention NPC's, as they usually end up affecting your frame advancement in a negative way. But yes they can advance the frame, only ones that don't have a set pattern or path, the ones that appear to be random are the ones that do advance the frame. On the HGSS route where you pick the egg up, there is only one frame advancing NPC. Also for another note, your Pokemon that is following you does not frame advance.
Yes, I have heard that incoming call do mess up your frame, I have never ran into that problem, but other's have.
~Zombie.
where can i find a guide to rng in fr/lg?
if you're using an emulator check this out http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2732418&postcount=12
if you're using a cart, there is a thread with info on it in Ruins of Alph, but no guide. Here's the thread http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62357
okay thanks
I'm trying to hatch an Illumise with the Shiny Egg Finder, and I've used the advice of using the same seed that's female for every gender ratio, and nothing has worked. I get nothing but Volbeat, and I was wondering if there's something else I could be doing or if it was just those seeds.
I think I figured it out. It is quite obvious actually. I have many Dittos so I am usually able to use the natured Ditto I want/need. For instance...if I wanted an Adamant Azumarill then I would use a random natured male marill/Azumarill to breed with an Adamant Ditto with Everstone. So it increased the chance that I would get Adamant. Where as I think other people might have used the Everstone and a nature they didn't want such as a Modest natured Ditto. I can totally see how this could mess up the RNG because the RNG assumes that nothing is messing with the nature...to change it anyways. Where as, the Everstone would only increase the chance that I could get Adamant in my case it would drastically decrease the chance in the other.
I still don't know why it messed up for me before but I attempted getting a Hasty Houndour yesterday, without an Everstone on my Naive Ditto and it worked this time. So, I guess I am ok now...lol.