np: OU Suspect Testing Round 2 - Who am I to break tradition?

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Rain team user uses Kabutops or Birijion. Those two are the first to come to mind, i'm sure theres more.

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Actually double dance landlos can beat those gliscor without ice fang (even better if it is that swords dance, taunt and facade one), since it can swords dance a second time while gliscor can't kill it.
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Well, I really say that because of the possibility of getting Toxiced by Gliscor and than spamming Protect and switching around to pile up the Toxic damage, but yeah, Randorosu beats that varient quite easily.
 
Bronzong loses to encourage landlos in dreamworld. Thankfully, that doesn't exist yet.

With Latios and Latias currently being un-banned, Landlos is a bit easier to handle. Otherwise, you pretty much have to learn to lose a pokemon when you see him. He's not exactly frail and doesn't necessarily die to everything. 89/90/80 isn't bad. He can tank a life orb latias surf. Draco meteor from the same latias isn't even a guarenteed ohko.

Also, you said the rugged helm/thorns for grass knot. Er... Those only work with contact moves, lol.
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And grass knot is a contact move so yes rugged helmet would indeed work on it.
 
It is? I thought all special moves were non-contact >_> I never use grass knot, guess I learned something new today, lol.

Anyway, if Landlos gets too problematic, I can see weavile/mamoswine gaining use. Ice shard should handle him.

Also, Even though I was wrong about GK, what's the point of the trick room?
 
With Latios and Latias currently being un-banned, Landlos is a bit easier to handle. Otherwise, you pretty much have to learn to lose a pokemon when you see him. He's not exactly frail and doesn't necessarily die to everything. 89/90/80 isn't bad. He can tank a life orb latias surf. Draco meteor from the same latias isn't even a guarenteed ohko.
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Really? I just did the calcs and it looks like Randorosu is alwasy KOed by either.
 
jonathanrp said:
Lol... Trick room?
Also, you said the rugged helm/thorns for grass knot. Er... Those only work with contact moves, lol.

Also, why are you using trick room as an example? Spamming switchins just wastes TR, and landlos is waaay too fast for trick room.

Also, I don't abuse weather at all. I made a drizzle team last night, and hated using it, I felt way too cheap. I'm going back to my normal OU team.

This metagame is way too weather based. Once the suspect tests are done, hopefully weather teams will be a rarity.
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Trick room is for stuff like ulgamosu,and other boosting sweepers,or to give Tar free reign against a Rain team. Just because im using Tr doesn't MEAN everything has to be fast in case you havent noticed of things are slow:/
 
Master Sunny-EX said:
um thats what you thinkSandstorm is surprisingly easy to set up with a say Burungeru (M) @ LeftoversTrait: Water AbsorbEVs: 176 HP / 208 Def / 108 SDef / 16 SpdBold Nature (+Def, -Atk)- Recover- Boil Over- Trick Room- Ice BeamNattorei (M) @ Rugged HelmetTrait: Iron BarbsEVs: 192 HP / 192 Def / 124 SDefImpish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)- Power Whip- Spikes- Stealth Rock- Thunder WaveTyranitar (M) @ Choice BandTrait: Sand StreamEVs: 176 HP / 224 Atk / 108 SDefAdamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)- Pursuit- Stone Edge- Earthquake- Crunchcombination of these three pokemon. Please tell me how a rain team hopes to break this.you switch in Specs Kingdra for Draco meteor? I sacrifice some death fodder,and get in T-Tar,switch and bye bye Kingdra,there your most importan sweeper is gone.Ludicolo? Switch into Burungeru for Hydro Pumb,get rugged helmet+thorns damage by switching in Nattorei on the Grass Knot,basically its easy to make a condition for setting up the afore mentioned Landlos
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lolwut? First of all, Specs kingdra is not used. DD kingdra is way more common. If the kingdra managed to kill 1 of your pokemon and then severely damages your Ttar with waterfall before going down, I'd say it's done a good job. GG your Ttar too if kingdra is still on high HP and you decide to pursuit it and it doesn't switch or if waterfall flinches you.

Second of all, Ludicolo will still wipe you because it uses giga drain for burungeru and focus blast for nattorei. You can claim to switch around all you want but you don't achieve anything because you're always on the defensive and at risk of being outpredicted. If all you do is switch back and forth between burungeru and nattorei to take the focus blasts and giga drains respectively, at some point you will either overpredict or get outpredicted and eat a super effective attack. If they have hazards out, then you are GGed even faster. That's the power of perma rain. You can't outspeed to attack them and you can't stall it out with switching.

And as stated, landlos is easily stopped by faster pokemon or bulky waters it can't OHKO who can OHKO back with water/ice attacks.
 
If you can give me a bulky water thats not masscared by a +2, Life Orbed, Sand Power Earthquake, I will stop using Randorosu completely.
 
Still, you seemed like your strategy was just switching around, which would eventually cause trick room to wear off.

Also, since you mentioned trick room.

Trick Room is a fantastic way to check weather teams. Since a lot of the pokemon rely on speed abilities, trick room is great for taking them out,

Dory is handled by Machamp, as is the other sand thrower (whats his name)
All chlorophyl pokemon are dealt with by something like Glaceon.
Swift swimmers hate TR Exeggutor.

That is all.

Also, gyarados can be bulky ev wise, Assuming there's no rockpolish, a scarfdos could take it out.
 
Berserker Lord said:
Really? I just did the calcs and it looks like Randorosu is alwasy KOed by either.
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Vs. Timid 252/252 life orb latias surf

90.3% - 106.6%

Vs. Draco Meteor

99.7% - 117.6%

Well, I was wrong about the draco meteor. I forgot to change the natures from a previous calculation I'd done. He can take a surf though.
 
Randorosu is esy to counter IF TR is ALREADY up,but if it gets in I don't have a chance to set it up,because if I switch to Burungeru It getss +2, resulting in GAME OVER,if it has that SICK chain-Luke'esque set
 
Well Jona, A Scarf Gyarados deals 87.1% - 103.4% to Randorosu, so it can work, but lets be honest; who the fuck would ever use a Choice Scarf Gyarados?

Edit: Why do I alwasy forget about Rotom-W. >_> Well anyway, Rotom-W has a high chance of getting OHKOed by Stone Edge after Stealth Rock, and even if it doesn't die, Sandstorm finishes it off, so your basically going to lose Rotom-W
 
astrohawke said:
Rotom-W. Hope I never see you lose landlos again.
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Rotom-W, however, CANNOT survive a +2 Life Orb Sand Power Stone Edge. "Oh but it can miss!" So can Hydro Pump and Will-O-Wisp.

Rotom-W survives the Earthquakes (derp), but Rotom-W will definetly be KO'd by Stone Edge, no matter how bulky your Rotom-W is.
 
Idk, lol.
I just felt like coming up with a counter, it's useless though.

Ludicolo should be able to take a +2 eq, can't do anything in return though.

Hands down, bronzong is probably the best counter for landlos so far, it resists stone edge and earthquake and can set up trick room to fuck landlos over , or (I'm gonna test this when I get home) use HP Ice (it should be able to OHKO, I need to check).
 
jonathanrp said:
Idk, lol.
I just felt like coming up with a counter, it's useless though.

Ludicolo should be able to take a +2 eq, can't do anything in return though.
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Ice Beam.
 
If you can't hit it with EQ, and stone edge is resisted, I doubt it can do much.

Also, bidoof: ace attorney, as much as I lol'd at that, ludicolo is outsped, I doubt it can survive stone edge
 
Ludicolo would promptly die to the stone edge. And on dream world, he loses to encourage slime wave of all things.

The sheer offensive power of landlos makes me think, why NOT at least test Ho-oh in standard? Landlos is revenged by the many things faster than it(if running SD)? So is Ho-oh. Bulky waters who can apparently tank a STAB +2 Sand power boosted Earthquake? Ho-oh loses to those as well.

With Ho-oh, it's very easy to sacrifice a poke to the brave bird/sacred fire, etc and then revenge it with scarf tyranitar, terakion, sturdy donphan, garchomp, sand paddle doryuzuu, etc.

Note that I'm not serious about Ho-oh in standard at all, but if sacrificing a pokemon is the best way to stop Landlos, then I can easily say the same about even a pokemon like Ho-oh. Or any uber without priority for that matter.
 
Doom Chaos said:
Rotom-W, however, CANNOT survive a +2 Life Orb Sand Power Stone Edge. "Oh but it can miss!" So can Hydro Pump and Will-O-Wisp.

Rotom-W survives the Earthquakes (derp), but Rotom-W will definetly be KO'd by Stone Edge, no matter how bulky your Rotom-W is.
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It can survive. Assuming jolly +2 Life Orbed SE in sand on 252/252 bold Rotom-W, it does 80.6-95.1%. Of course if it crits or your hydro pump misses then you're screwed but it's still easy enough to revenge kill with something faster. Landlos isn't going to be sweeping teams.

Master Sunny-EX said:
Specs Kingdra,is used quite abit actually,and Nattorei is a COLD counter to DD-Kingdra
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And specs kingdra is stopped by a ton of things too like blissey, burungeru. Nattorei is also likely to be their only check to a lot of rain threats and with no reliable recovery, it's entirely possible for DD kingdra to beat nattorei if it's taken even a bit of damage. A lot of rain teams also carry magnezone to trap and kill nattorei. DD kingdra is still better imo.
 
Bronzong is indeed a solid counter for Sandstorm. It can also set other weathers (Sunny Day / Rain Dance?). It stops Doryuuzu and Landlos cold.
Nattorei deals with Rain. I bet they could make a great duo to stop those two weathers.

The only problem is... Fire, which is non-existant in Rain teams and pretty rare for SS teams (unless they pack Heatran).
 
Ho-oh does not get stab eq though. He gets brave bird, which is more powerful (in normal weather)

And honestly, there IS a chance weather could get banned, I mean if you ban drizzle, you can't justify keeping sun/sand.

So this sand power problem could solve itself.
 
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