I'd actually be very interested in hearing more of an opinion like this, where the abusers are broken, not the ability, rather than "ZOMG RAIN FUCKING SUCKS JESUS CHRIST PLEASE JUST SOMEONE SHOOT ME NOW". If you, or anyone with an opinion like this, could go further into detail and explain I'd personally love to hear it. I really want to hear every possible side I can regarding Drizzle and it's brokenness or lack thereof, and this is a side among the least mentioned so far.
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I'd actually be very interested in hearing more of an opinion like this, where the abusers are broken, not the ability, rather than "ZOMG RAIN FUCKING SUCKS JESUS CHRIST PLEASE JUST SOMEONE SHOOT ME NOW". If you, or anyone with an opinion like this, could go further into detail and explain I'd personally love to hear it. I really want to hear every possible side I can regarding Drizzle and it's brokenness or lack thereof, and this is a side among the least mentioned so far.
its simply the fact that you dont have to run damp rock and dont have to switch (only for kabutops really) to perpetuate the rain
I also have a question. If rain is broken, why isn't sandstorm broken as well?
Heres my argument, it does damage every turn except to some of the already powerful pokemon such as scizor, natorei, and garchomp. Sandstorm also gained new abilities that are swift swims counterpart and a solarpower that does not take away your hp every turn. (Sand throw, strenght) Also the sandstorm setters are much more powerful than the always nu politoed, which are a 600 BST pokemon and the hippo. Rain's abusers were always uu, ludicolo, kanto fossils, and clamperl evolutions, which dory already outspeeds and outpowers. Can someone tell me why rain is more broken than sandstorm?
Heres my argument, it does damage every turn except to some of the already powerful pokemon such as scizor, natorei, and garchomp. Sandstorm also gained new abilities that are swift swims counterpart and a solarpower that does not take away your hp every turn. (Sand throw, strenght) Also the sandstorm setters are much more powerful than the always nu politoed, which are a 600 BST pokemon and the hippo. Rain's abusers were always uu, ludicolo, kanto fossils, and clamperl evolutions, which dory already outspeeds and outpowers. Can someone tell me why rain is more broken than sandstorm?
Rain boosts the Abusers STAB and will often increase speed. It also weakens Fire attacks.
Granted Sandstorm can do damage each turn and Rock types SpD however it does not increase the abusers STAB
For a more detailed reasons see Reachs post: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3228028&postcount=349
Granted Sandstorm can do damage each turn and Rock types SpD however it does not increase the abusers STAB
For a more detailed reasons see Reachs post: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3228028&postcount=349
I agree with you. I'm not convinced myself. It's just annoying to put "hypothetically" or "if we vote and they are found uber" in every post.
And tbh, I don't even think manaphy is all that good.
As for 8 to infinity, the big difference is when it can no longer be stalled out. However we received such great anti-water pokes this gen, such as Nattorei and Virizion, and other weathers make the swift swimmers perform on a uu or nu level (except kingdra), I'm not sure how big a difference it makes anymore.
ugh
Sandstorm is wayyy better then rain atm. I don't see what the problem is. Every time a new offensive threat comes up, everyone yells BANBANBAN.
To be honest, I had more success with rain last gen because no one was going crazy to counter it. Now we have this crap. Manaphy=broken Drizzle=fine
Sandstorm is wayyy better then rain atm. I don't see what the problem is. Every time a new offensive threat comes up, everyone yells BANBANBAN.
To be honest, I had more success with rain last gen because no one was going crazy to counter it. Now we have this crap. Manaphy=broken Drizzle=fine
So i have a question?
I've acquired quite a dream world ou rating, and nowhere in philip's initial post does it state that only standard ou ratings apply, but apparently dream world ou ratings don't. Is this true? And if it is, can that be changed?
Oh yeah and arc, it's true that it can be stalled out, but nattorei will eventually be beaten down by repeated switchins, virizion i don't know about but probably won't enjoy taking,say, dragon-type attacks from kingdra. before, you could use intelligent switching to force the enemy to rain dance, and kill them on that turn. Now, all you can do is kill their politoed, and while that's a good strategy, a smart player won't make it easy, and that's a problem.
I've acquired quite a dream world ou rating, and nowhere in philip's initial post does it state that only standard ou ratings apply, but apparently dream world ou ratings don't. Is this true? And if it is, can that be changed?
Oh yeah and arc, it's true that it can be stalled out, but nattorei will eventually be beaten down by repeated switchins, virizion i don't know about but probably won't enjoy taking,say, dragon-type attacks from kingdra. before, you could use intelligent switching to force the enemy to rain dance, and kill them on that turn. Now, all you can do is kill their politoed, and while that's a good strategy, a smart player won't make it easy, and that's a problem.
I think it might've been a popular RMT, but I missed it i guess because i've seen that same team, usually Birijion over Manaphy, almost every time i play against Rain
IMO, I think banning manaphy first would be the way to go, as that's the main perpetrator of broken rain. Give Drizzle one more chance and see how broken it is without Manaphy. On the PO server, rain is much easier to handle as Manaphy's gone.
EDIT: BTW, Mischievous Heart users absolutely fuck up Swift swimmers with priority paralysis/any other status, leading to easy kills due to their general frailty. Which is another reason Manaphy is a bitch, cuz Hydration cures him of paralysis.
EDIT: BTW, Mischievous Heart users absolutely fuck up Swift swimmers with priority paralysis/any other status, leading to easy kills due to their general frailty. Which is another reason Manaphy is a bitch, cuz Hydration cures him of paralysis.
What exactly would be the point in doing this? I mean really, don't just give me "Oh well then rain sweepers wouldn't be broken."
Its for the standard metagame, it says so in Philip's post. Here, DW is not standard, it's what is released.
EDIT: well it says banned from standard play in the first part anyway. Standard play is not DW, but its bans are copied into DW.
Nope. Only standard ratings apply. DW is less of a tier than even Ubers. It doesn't even actually exist- yet, anyway.
No, you could still use rain dance.
Also, I would just like to say "Drizzle clause" is a terrible name. makes it sound like drizzle is banned.
Not necessarily. For example: Kingdra, 4th Gen. In Gen4 Kingdra had (at least) 2 Rain Dance sets. One was for a HO RD team where someone with a Damp Rock set up the RD and the other (one of my personal favorites) was the Double Dancer set where he set up RD himself. Sure, a 5-8 turn sweep isn't as good as infinite rain, but he could still do a boatload of damage even without infinite rain.
Meh, I didn't know what else to call it since no one gave it a name :/
@Idon'tusehackedpokemon No, if the opposing team has rain, you can counter it with a Swift Swimmer.
As well, I also like the Drizzle Clause. Just add banning Hydration and it's all good.
As well, I also like the Drizzle Clause. Just add banning Hydration and it's all good.
The evidence is playtesting. I've played with Ludicolo and Kabutops briefly and can easily tell the difference between 6-7 turns of rain rather than infinite. I haven't played a match without Kingdra for last the 100+ matches or so, either.
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