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Zoroark
- Thread starter jumpluff
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how do u kill it without anything fainting or getting a huge chunk taken away... and your more then likely going to know its zorork the next turn anyway so I`m not really understanding this logic...
according to the reuniclues thread, TOMB is a useless liability and is a waste of space
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i think it would the perfect partner, but i dont like them both having dark pulse because then conklederp will "wall" them.(Tomb can burn but conkle might have guts).
Spiritomb is oine of the best Pokes I've used to counter a lot of stuff in the current meta. Most people just spew random stuff without testing beforehand. And since I used a mono-ghost team, I can say Spirit is a great poke. Burns stuff like shit, restores health with Pain Split, has priority, can boost with calm mind, you name it. Haters gonna hate. Thanks to Spiritomb, shit like Excadrill, T-Tar, or Reuniclus have never been a real threat to me.
Most people there think it is or has the potential to be a good pokemon, its just one person who says its not and doesnt seem to have any logic or arguments behind that.
I don't lose a huge chunk or faint because im a Boss.
Chose something with nasty plot, and your zoroark has the potential to go further.
I've got a question about Zoroark that I would hope be ok to mention in this thread regarding its moveset.
If you were to run a misleading lead Zoroark with counter, is it illegal to have Zoroark with counter and dark pulse, or as dark pulse is breeding is it not possible to breed to the point both counter and dark pulse can be inherited?
I haven't looked too deep into this but I hope to try utilize the fun that illusion brings when I get Black and White (HURRY MARCH 4TH) so it'd be nice to know if there are any competitive legal issues in a counter and dark pulse being run in the same set.
If you were to run a misleading lead Zoroark with counter, is it illegal to have Zoroark with counter and dark pulse, or as dark pulse is breeding is it not possible to breed to the point both counter and dark pulse can be inherited?
I haven't looked too deep into this but I hope to try utilize the fun that illusion brings when I get Black and White (HURRY MARCH 4TH) so it'd be nice to know if there are any competitive legal issues in a counter and dark pulse being run in the same set.
^It's a legal combination. Lucario learns both Counter and Dark Pulse by level up. Weavile also gets Counter as an egg move and Dark Pulse by level up.
Spritomb is good... it has lot of potential if you know how use it because has good movepool, bulk, priority and respectable attack
and for Zoroark... it suck balls. Bad movepool, bad typing and STAB, not bulk to get SD or NP... the only good thing that is has is Illusion.
Thank you. That's another fun thing to play with.
Thinking of running a misleading set involving Infernape as Nasty Plot and Flamethrower are often found on Infernape's, and generally I feel it's misleading enough for Zoroark to do what he needs to do.
Can't wait for the chandelier ghost type to legally be getting shadow tag though via dream world, then I'm going to utilize a facade involving that, I reckon.
Thinking of running a misleading set involving Infernape as Nasty Plot and Flamethrower are often found on Infernape's, and generally I feel it's misleading enough for Zoroark to do what he needs to do.
Can't wait for the chandelier ghost type to legally be getting shadow tag though via dream world, then I'm going to utilize a facade involving that, I reckon.
Not to go into tiering but I think Zoroark has potential in Ubers paired with Blissey. Blissey could lure in Mewtwo(PSYCHO SHOCK ANYONE?) Nasty PLot/Swords Dance as He uses Psycho Shock, then OHKO it with Dark Pulse/Night Slash. ALthough you'd need a sash on because mewtwo outspeeds or set up a sub(which is usual on blissey as Mewtwo switches in), or just use a scarf without boosting to hit and run.
Or you could have Sucker Punched on Mewtwo but you'd have to watch out for Groudon, Dialga, Arceus/Rayquaza Extremespeed or bulky Arceus, Terakion, etc. I don't think Zoroark would be as effective in ubers because of the really really bulky things and Extremespeed.
For one, Blissey does not lure Mewtwo, as it risks coming into Thunder Wave or Toxic and needs a CM to OHKO with Psycho Break anyway.
Otherwise, Zoroark is not particularly effective in Ubers. It is extremely frail and Psychic is a type literally used only by Mewtwo and the rare Psychic Arceus, so it effectively has no immunities. Moreover, it is outclassed by Darkrai, who is faster, stronger, and has Dark Void to instantly cripple the opponent.
On top of that, most Ubers have abilities that give notice upon entry, which Zoroark is unable to copy. Kyogre's Drizzle, Groudon's Drought, Rayquaza's Air Lock, Dialga/Palkia/Giratina-A's Pressure, Zekrom's TeraVolt, Reshiram's TurboBlaze, Mewtwo's Pressure, and in Standard Ubers Lugia and Ho-Oh's Pressure as well. That is simply too many for the illusion to be effective, IMO.
Otherwise, Zoroark is not particularly effective in Ubers. It is extremely frail and Psychic is a type literally used only by Mewtwo and the rare Psychic Arceus, so it effectively has no immunities. Moreover, it is outclassed by Darkrai, who is faster, stronger, and has Dark Void to instantly cripple the opponent.
On top of that, most Ubers have abilities that give notice upon entry, which Zoroark is unable to copy. Kyogre's Drizzle, Groudon's Drought, Rayquaza's Air Lock, Dialga/Palkia/Giratina-A's Pressure, Zekrom's TeraVolt, Reshiram's TurboBlaze, Mewtwo's Pressure, and in Standard Ubers Lugia and Ho-Oh's Pressure as well. That is simply too many for the illusion to be effective, IMO.
Please stop acting like Zoroark isn't a good Pokemon without Illusion. Nasty Plot, Perfect coverage, Sucker Punch, & faster than Garchomp.
Sucker Punch KO's all the 110+ Speed Psychics/Ghosts, bar LatiAs, after Stealth Rocks with Naive and proper EV investment. (40 Atk EVs)
Illusion should only be used to set up or to take out a Pokemon that would cause you problems.
If you cater your moves to mirror part of your Illusion, you're not a good Spy.
Wait what? When did Lugia and Ho-Oh become allowed in OU (well I heard there was a test once...banned very quickly however for obvious reasons)?
I bolded the part where it said in standard OU which must have been a typo because he was talking about Ubers (obviously) but then it just made me jump when it suddenly switched to Standard OU. Maybe Standard Ubers was what was meant?
Zoroark + Heracross (both scarfed) brings tears of joy to my eyes because it works so well.
My view may be skewed because I played on PO DW (no team preview) but with Flamethrower / HP Ice on Zoroark it really cleared out most of the Pokes who could have possibly proved to be a bother to Hera.
Do you know what is better than using Flamethrower with Zoroark against a Scarf Genosect and watching the opponent ragequit?
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
My view may be skewed because I played on PO DW (no team preview) but with Flamethrower / HP Ice on Zoroark it really cleared out most of the Pokes who could have possibly proved to be a bother to Hera.
Do you know what is better than using Flamethrower with Zoroark against a Scarf Genosect and watching the opponent ragequit?
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
Wrong. I know what is better. The opponent not rage quitting and you winning the match.
I think you're right, but I'm getting a little tired of people using it as an anti-lead. It's getting slightly predictable.
moreover, I think most of the fragile sweepers (like Zoroark) are at a bit of a disadvantage this gen, because it's easy for Conkelder to jump in and revenge them. Once you know it's a zoroark, you know what to aim at it, and it's not very hard to figure out.
Thank you. Really, people need to stop thinking about Zoroark as a one-trick-pony when it has 105/120/105 offensive stats with access to boosting moves on either side and good coverage.
Illusion is merely a bonus, people.