Chandelure

Does it really need one? A STAB Fire Blast hits almost as hard as a SE Thunderbolt, and it gets Energy Ball to hit waters. Most Ghosts would kill for a STAB Fire move.
 
Kefka Palazzo™ said:
Wtf are people running these days?

-Psychic
-Toxic
-Fire move
-Shadow Ball

Along with Modest natures and Life Orbs?
Wtf
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Either you're low on the ladder or you're playing on PO's server, where fucking Ulgamoth runs Psychic because they're so obsessed with Conkeldurrp 0_0

The few times I've seen Shanderaa, it has either been Scarfed or Sub, and really didn't accomplish much. If we get a Shadow Tag event though, things could change really fast lol
 
Nanoswine said:
Either you're low on the ladder or you're playing on PO's server, where fucking Ulgamoth runs Psychic because they're so obsessed with Conkeldurrp 0_0

The few times I've seen Shanderaa, it has either been Scarfed or Sub, and really didn't accomplish much. If we get a Shadow Tag event though, things could change really fast lol
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It was on DW, where I'm at like 6000.
 
lmitchell0012 said:
Also one of the only ghost types that didn't get an electric attack...
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Yeah, this chandelier uses the much dimmer candles rather than light bulbs that don't require a Rayquaza to come and keep the room safe (I know the room would only be unsafe after a LONG time or if that Chandelure got pissed off).
 
The PO server is where people get away with running acid armor shandera and reuniclus. Pretty interesting movesets at times.

Since I fail at running anything other than nitro charge (don't see enough stall teams to use CM. And CRITICAL HIT is the name of the game if you actually use acid armor. What are you running? Substitute and pain split?), I decided to revisit it again.

The moveset was the simple modest 252 spd/252 spA with a life orb. Substitute + Nitro charge is great as always. Momento + Nitro charge is wonderful for keeping momentum. Nitro charge on a predicted switch and begin bashing into things with your 427 spA left and right. When you run into something that can actually stop your assault, memento into another pokemon to maintain your momentum and execute a sweep with something else.

Pretty useful, I'd say, especially with a modest nature.
 
Still going to throw out Chandela as a Trick Room user out there :I

It can have the bulk to not-instantly-die, and the low speed, and then you have that crazy attack to use at leisure. Well, it's definitely unexpected.
 
Chandelure is indeed one of the best Trick Roomers, imo. Has enough speed to outroon almost anything under TR and at the same time outruns other trick roomers outside of TR. Besides, a modest lo fire blast hits harder than salamence's outrage, so yeah.
 
while TR Chandelure is cool and all, you must realize that anything with less than 70 base speed will outspeed it in TR with min speed... I.E. this means bulky bandtar and sometimes politoed (it will speed tie with min speed, actually).

It's a good idea hindered by a poor pokemon.

Really Chandelure is hindered by the shittiest movepool (no focus blast), meh stats (good SpA but that's it), and a really poor typing. Without Shadow Tag it's just a gimmick, really.
 
Breludicolo said:
while TR Chandelure is cool and all, you must realize that anything with less than 70 base speed will outspeed it in TR with min speed... I.E. this means bulky bandtar and sometimes politoed (it will speed tie with min speed, actually).

It's a good idea hindered by a poor pokemon.

Really Chandelure is hindered by the shittiest movepool (no focus blast), meh stats (good SpA but that's it), and a really poor typing. Without Shadow Tag it's just a gimmick, really.
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Clearly, your definition of minimum Speed is missing something... or rather, it's adding something to the stat that doesn't need to be there. With a -Spe nature and a 0 Spe IV, Chandelure has 148 Speed, which isn't as low as most TR Pokemon, but only Pokemon with base 55 Spe or lower get a lower Spe stat without trying to reduce it.
 
You could always go with a simple LO / Specs attacker, as Chandelure certainly has the SpA to pull if off. Fire Blast / Shadow Ball / Energy Ball / HP Ice gets decent coverage, and Chandy can 2HKO Max/Min Tar with Specs Energy Ball anyway. If you still have issues with it, pack Swampert and you can deal with Heatran while you're at it.
 
I used him defensively for a while, and it worked really well. With flash fire, he has great defensive synergy with ferrothorn. I used a third poke as well, gyarados I think and it was really solid.

Chandelure @ Leftovers
Bold
Flash fire
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe

Flamethrower
Shadow Ball
Pain Split
WoW

IIRC.

A timid subsplitter might work as well...
 
JT Swift said:
A timid subsplitter might work as well...
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Wouldn't a Subsplit set just be out classed by Gengar?

@ Breludicolo:
Chandelure really isn't bad at all. It's stats are all-around decent.
It has workable speed, decent defenses(Max HP/Max Def Chandy can survive Max Attack T-tar's Crunch...if you ignore SS damage, but that's still decent bulk), great Special attack, good offensive typing(only T-tar,Hydriegon,Heatran,Houndoom,and Snorlax wall Chandy's STABs), and a killer design.

Now, about Focus Blast. People complain about having to rely on Focus Blast, but now people complain about not having it? Seriously?
I'd rather have freakin Aura Sphere...
 
Outclassed by gengar? I dunno, it has higher special attack, immunity to fire, fire STAB for ferrothorn and scizor (resists bullet punch and u-turn too!) If they had the same speed, gengar would be outclassed IMO.
 
JT Swift said:
Outclassed by gengar? I dunno, it has higher special attack, immunity to fire, fire STAB for ferrothorn and scizor (resists bullet punch and u-turn too!) If they had the same speed, gengar would be outclassed IMO.
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The key word there is "If". They dont have the same speed, and while Chandelure does have advantages, it has a bad speed which can be very important. If we look at other pokemon with great attacking stats and low speed without phenomenal bulk to make up for it, we see pokemin like porygon-z, rampardos and azumarill. none of these pokemon are that good, mostly because of their bad speed and it is the same with Chandelure.
 
gabezj said:
The key word there is "If". They dont have the same speed, and while Chandelure does have advantages, it has a bad speed which can be very important. If we look at other pokemon with great attacking stats and low speed without phenomenal bulk to make up for it, we see pokemin like porygon-z, rampardos and azumarill. none of these pokemon are that good, mostly because of their bad speed and it is the same with Chandelure.
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Chandelure is faster than Rampardos, more powerful than Porygon-Z, and bulkier than both.

As for Azumarill, it appears to be headed for OU this gen.
 
gabezj said:
The key word there is "If". They dont have the same speed, and while Chandelure does have advantages, it has a bad speed which can be very important. If we look at other pokemon with great attacking stats and low speed without phenomenal bulk to make up for it, we see pokemin like porygon-z, rampardos and azumarill. none of these pokemon are that good, mostly because of their bad speed and it is the same with Chandelure.
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Porygon-Z has 90 Base speed, but failed due to bad offensive typing.
Rampardos died to everything and just had terrible speed, even with Rock Polish.
Azumarill has 50 base Speed, but has Aqua jet and Huge Power to make up for it.
Chandelure had 80 Base Speed, which is less than Pory-Z, but has Nitro Charge, higher Sp.Attack, is bulkier, and has a WAY better typing.

Chandelure's only problem is its cursed speed.
All the pokemon you mentioned have even more problems and they don't have ways to fix it.
 
gabezj said:
The key word there is "If". They dont have the same speed, and while Chandelure does have advantages, it has a bad speed which can be very important. If we look at other pokemon with great attacking stats and low speed without phenomenal bulk to make up for it, we see pokemin like porygon-z, rampardos and azumarill. none of these pokemon are that good, mostly because of their bad speed and it is the same with Chandelure.
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Interesting you mention Azumarill which is currently OU for the ability to kill things with Aqua Jet (Blaziken/Doryuzu) off of 149 Base Atk thanks to Huge Power. It also does have at least acceptable defenses with 100/80/80. It is only really hindered by the speed. PorygonZ is underrated and Rampardos...does kind of suck outside of Trick Room and even then he competes with other things. Chandelure is slow but 80 speed is average (although investing in it takes from it's defenses and makes it easier to destroy). And the reason to use it is Shadow Tag mainly. It isn't terrible and it can on occasion use Flash Fire, but again Shadow Tag is the real reason for it and anything with Shadow Tag is usually awesome.
 
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