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In-Game Tier List Discussion
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Consider trading it as an egg. I've been doing a second playthrough with a traded Pokémon, and while the extra experience is nice, at several points it's almost outleveled my badges, which is obviously bad (it was really weird losing to Lenora when I KO'd Herdier, it leveled to 21, and then immediately refused to obey me for 3 turns in a row).
Finished the game and here are my thoughts on some of the pokemon.
Samurott: Pretty good throughout the entire game. He never amazed me, but he never let me down. Surf and Scald also hit everything nicely even with a Jolly nature. Lacks a bit of speed, but otherwise great. High Tier.
Darmanitan: You get him SO damn early and he hits SO damn hard with Hustle Fire Fangs. He's pretty fast for in-game and with Fire/Fighting coverage, he rapes everything. Top Tier.
Sigilyph: Another great pokemon. It's fast, hits decently hard, and it has Magic Guard!
I found its coverage a bit of an issue, but otherwise it was pretty good.
High Tier.
Pansear: I boxed this thing as soon as I could. Incinerate is just a terrible move and he's so frail. Garbage Tier.
Lillipup line: He's pretty good in the beginning, but he starts losing his awesomeness around the 5th or 4th gym. He doesn't hit hard enough and dies too easily. He's also a bit slow.
Mid Low Tier.
Gurrdurr: Pretty cool. He's decently bulky and he can hit hard. He can also sweep once he gets Bulk Up and he's not hard to train. Wish I could trade for Conkeldurr though.
Mid High Tier.
Krookodile: Aside from having a pen0r for a mouth, he was also kinda cool.
Despite him being kinda frail, Moxie let him do some mini-sweeps.
I just wish mine could hit harder.
Mid High Tier.
Chandelure: Takes a while to train and needs a little babying, but this thing has usable speed, decent defenses, and it just OHKOs everything.
Mid High Tier.
Samurott: Pretty good throughout the entire game. He never amazed me, but he never let me down. Surf and Scald also hit everything nicely even with a Jolly nature. Lacks a bit of speed, but otherwise great. High Tier.
Darmanitan: You get him SO damn early and he hits SO damn hard with Hustle Fire Fangs. He's pretty fast for in-game and with Fire/Fighting coverage, he rapes everything. Top Tier.
Sigilyph: Another great pokemon. It's fast, hits decently hard, and it has Magic Guard!
I found its coverage a bit of an issue, but otherwise it was pretty good.
High Tier.
Pansear: I boxed this thing as soon as I could. Incinerate is just a terrible move and he's so frail. Garbage Tier.
Lillipup line: He's pretty good in the beginning, but he starts losing his awesomeness around the 5th or 4th gym. He doesn't hit hard enough and dies too easily. He's also a bit slow.
Mid Low Tier.
Gurrdurr: Pretty cool. He's decently bulky and he can hit hard. He can also sweep once he gets Bulk Up and he's not hard to train. Wish I could trade for Conkeldurr though.
Mid High Tier.
Krookodile: Aside from having a pen0r for a mouth, he was also kinda cool.
Despite him being kinda frail, Moxie let him do some mini-sweeps.
I just wish mine could hit harder.
Mid High Tier.
Chandelure: Takes a while to train and needs a little babying, but this thing has usable speed, decent defenses, and it just OHKOs everything.
Mid High Tier.
when discussing what tier each pokemon belongs in, i think it is only appropriate to be able to comment on the pokemon in your party and your opinion/explanation on why.
So with Sawk as Top Tier.. I feel like Throh as well, should be Top. When I played, I had both.. and in the end, Throh had the better moves. His power and speed aren't as great as Sawk.. but there are a few moves why Throh deserves Top [if Sawk is]. Plus the fact that Throh seemed to last longer.
Storm Throw: FIGHT/ Always results in a critical hit. 40 BP
Body Slam: NORM/ you know the quality of this
Circle Throw: Fight/ Basically a ROAR with damage 60 BP
They both have the same TM availability, so there's no difference there.
Sawk has fighting moves.. and basic fighting moves at that.. nothing special.. nothing worthy of being above the others. Throh brings a different element, with still being able to bring the power and fighting qualities.
Storm Throw: FIGHT/ Always results in a critical hit. 40 BP
Body Slam: NORM/ you know the quality of this
Circle Throw: Fight/ Basically a ROAR with damage 60 BP
They both have the same TM availability, so there's no difference there.
Sawk has fighting moves.. and basic fighting moves at that.. nothing special.. nothing worthy of being above the others. Throh brings a different element, with still being able to bring the power and fighting qualities.
Backing up those particular moves:
Storm Throw - with all the growls, hardens, and so on all over the place, having an auto-crit comes in handy a lot. This was probably my most used move on Throh.
Body Slam - paralysis is handy, especially on something so slow.
Circle Throw - I personally didn't use this that much in my playthrough, but I suppose it could be useful in situations like the dancing dragons in the 8th gym.
It really doesn't contribute anything. No Pokemon is going to have their placement influenced because they were mentioned in passing when somebody was rating their team. Its annoying for every third post to be somebody posting their team which really contributes nothing to discussion.
If you want to argue a Pokemon's position, then do so. But don't do it by just posting your team or yours points will most likely be ignored.
Just something about Tepig - is it me or does it really falter near the endgame? Its low speed and mediocre bulk means its mostly a switch out thing for me...it couldnt even properly deal with the Dark E4, that says a lot...
Really? I found it to be the other way around. Poor early/midgame, fantastic lategame. Apart from Krookodile it murdered the Dark E4.
And Tynamo I think should be a little higher. It may take babying, but it still knows some decent electric attacks, and is available middle of the way through, right before the flying gym. Late game its thunderwave and the lack of damage it took from, well anything, meant alot of my opponents pokemon were crippled (see Hydraigon) and easy to deal with for my slower pokemon.
A bit of a conundrum: I have seven pokes to fit on a six-mon team. What do you guys think?
- Samurott
- Sigilyph
- Darmanitan
- Exadrill
And the three I'm debating over:
- Galvantula
- Scrafty
- Lilligant
I've debated with myself which ones would be more useful, which would cover more weaknesses...even which ones looked cooler. Still can't reach a decision. So...which two out of those latter three would you guys choose?
- Samurott
- Sigilyph
- Darmanitan
- Exadrill
And the three I'm debating over:
- Galvantula
- Scrafty
- Lilligant
I've debated with myself which ones would be more useful, which would cover more weaknesses...even which ones looked cooler. Still can't reach a decision. So...which two out of those latter three would you guys choose?
I'd go with Scrafty for sure. I used one, and it basically destroyed the entire game with its High Jump Kick.
The other two are a bit harder. I'd probably say go with Galvantula because of personal preference, but I didn't use either so I'm not exactly the best authority on those.
The other two are a bit harder. I'd probably say go with Galvantula because of personal preference, but I didn't use either so I'm not exactly the best authority on those.
Ok... so here's my argument then. Axew should be top tier, no doubt. Not only does it come early enough that you have plenty of time to train it up and not only does it get STAB dragon attacks that hit almost everything in the game for at least neutral damage, but it also learns the DD/SD + False Swipe combo. This makes catching nearly everything in the game incredibly easy. Literally the only pokemon that was at all difficult to catch with Axew and its evos on my team was Virizion, thanks to GF giving a Mega Drain to a legendary with a catch rate of three. I caught everything else with ease.
For that matter, what in this game actually hits him for SE? Pretty much nothing except for weaksauce Druddigon Tower (which you should have out-leveled anyways), the Hydreigon line on Victory Road/E4 and the signature legendaries. Nothing else in this game even really forces it to switch out.
Compare it to the rest of the pogeys in its current tier and it clearly outshines them in one way or another, although the legendaries in that tier are pretty close just on pure power. Compare it to the current top tier and it easily fits in. Lots of power, doesn't take many SE hits and has lots of utility. Literally the only thing the top tier pogeys have over Axew are that they are available sooner.
So tl:dr --
1. Dragon type available pretty early in the game, STAB dragon moves
2. False Swipe
3. Dragon Dance and Swords Dance, whichever tickles your fancy. Makes for easy catches and easy sweeping
4. Very little in the game hits it for SE
5. Clearly better than the rest of the pogeys in its tier, except maybe the legendaries, most of which are harder to catch or come later in the game
I propose Axew goes up to top tier, unless someone can explain why he doesn't belong there compared to the rest of the pogeys up there.
For that matter, what in this game actually hits him for SE? Pretty much nothing except for weaksauce Druddigon Tower (which you should have out-leveled anyways), the Hydreigon line on Victory Road/E4 and the signature legendaries. Nothing else in this game even really forces it to switch out.
Compare it to the rest of the pogeys in its current tier and it clearly outshines them in one way or another, although the legendaries in that tier are pretty close just on pure power. Compare it to the current top tier and it easily fits in. Lots of power, doesn't take many SE hits and has lots of utility. Literally the only thing the top tier pogeys have over Axew are that they are available sooner.
So tl:dr --
1. Dragon type available pretty early in the game, STAB dragon moves
2. False Swipe
3. Dragon Dance and Swords Dance, whichever tickles your fancy. Makes for easy catches and easy sweeping
4. Very little in the game hits it for SE
5. Clearly better than the rest of the pogeys in its tier, except maybe the legendaries, most of which are harder to catch or come later in the game
I propose Axew goes up to top tier, unless someone can explain why he doesn't belong there compared to the rest of the pogeys up there.
to further argue that:
with a combo of Shadow claw, dragon claw, brick break, and whatever with an expert belt, when axew evolves into haxorus, he can use a super effective move on 3 of the elite 4. you could even run aerial ace, but that would only hit marshall's pokemon for slightly more damage. (assuming you are using the expert belt.)
not to mention that shadow claw and brick break alone offer unresisted coverage.
with a combo of Shadow claw, dragon claw, brick break, and whatever with an expert belt, when axew evolves into haxorus, he can use a super effective move on 3 of the elite 4. you could even run aerial ace, but that would only hit marshall's pokemon for slightly more damage. (assuming you are using the expert belt.)
not to mention that shadow claw and brick break alone offer unresisted coverage.
Axew comes too late. After the 6th gym is ridiculously late for high. It is mid, no questions asked.
I couldnt agree more. Things are considered early-game only if they come before the third gym.
Even Sigilyph comes a bit late, actually, but who cares, it's still early and its really strong as it comes.
^ Your point?
Axew is good though, he brings up some points. I think IF there is a mid split, he should be in Upper mid. It is super-powerful, gets good coverage, and is moderately fast (compared to the rest of the powerful stuff like Conkeldurr and Eelektross), so it probably deserves Upper Mid.
Axew is good though, he brings up some points. I think IF there is a mid split, he should be in Upper mid. It is super-powerful, gets good coverage, and is moderately fast (compared to the rest of the powerful stuff like Conkeldurr and Eelektross), so it probably deserves Upper Mid.
Agreed. It has the stats and movepool to be amazing once you get it, but, as other people said, you get it late. Upper mid for sure.
Yeah, Axew is a bit too late in the game to be anywhere near High. Even Joltik pushes it for me, but it somewhat justifies itself. Somewhat.
I'll wait a bit on Ducklett and Pidove move. They probably shouldn't be a tier apart though from what it seems. The rest seems fine, so I'll make the changes. For reference:
- Mincinno to Mid.
- Throh to High.
- Petilil to High.
I'll wait a bit on Ducklett and Pidove move. They probably shouldn't be a tier apart though from what it seems. The rest seems fine, so I'll make the changes. For reference:
- Mincinno to Mid.
- Throh to High.
- Petilil to High.
If you want them in the same tier, Pidove and Ducklett should be low. It isn't at the level of Mid, with things like Deerling and Axew. But it isn't at the level of low either exactly, with Heatmor and Hydreigon. I think if so far we keep it like it is (High/Mid/Low) they should be low. But if we split Mid (High/Upper Mid/Mid/Lower Mid/Low) they should be Lower Mid.
Hammer Arm is fine if you are not using Flame Charge.
Honestly even pokemon like Chandelure justify themselves in the end. Perhaps holding out for that Kirikizan or Wargle isn't a good idea, but even at the 6th gym you can still be building your team. In the past this wouldn't have been the case, but the new Exp Systems allows new members and late team reshuffling - if anything, it encourages it, hence why so many pokemon appear late and evolve so late; there is little reason you can't stick them on your team at a late date.
Obviously it's not ideal - it's only after the Route 1-2-3 trash that you begin to get really good pokemon in the forest and desert, but in B/W, waiting pays off in the long run.
Obviously it's not ideal - it's only after the Route 1-2-3 trash that you begin to get really good pokemon in the forest and desert, but in B/W, waiting pays off in the long run.
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