What aren't we writing about? (Pokemon unfit for OU Analyses)

I tried out shuckle and never much liked it. It's too status weak, stealth rock weak..

weak...

etc.
 
Power Share is not standard and doesn't even work as well as one would help. I've used it in sand and after testing I can safely say it's still rather bad. The fact that it only works once since after that all the bonuses to attack ignore the power trick is a testament to how gimmicky the move is. If it had a better recovery move I'd consider making a case for a standard OU set but with rest being pretty much worthless this gen I have to say no.
 
The best Shuckle set that I've seen so far is this one...

name: (insert creative name here)
move 1: Power Share
move 2: Wrap
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Rest
item: Grip Claw
ability: Sturdy
nature: Bold
evs: 240 HP / 20 Def / 252 SpD
ivs: 0 Atk, 0 SpA

Self explanatory and is the new standard. The 240 HP EVs coupled with 31 HP IVs give you 241 HP for Stealth Rock damage. Nothing revolutionary but it can be quite annoying when you don't see it coming. None the less, it's still full of holes...(starts to laugh). Here's the other set I've come across that's offensive...

name: Rolling and Trolling
move 1: Power Share
move 2: Rollout
move 3: Defence Curl / Toxic
move 4: Rest
item: Leftovers / Sitrus Berry
ability: Sturdy / Gluttony
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
ivs: 0 SpA

Stealth Rock damage isn't as threatening this time so max HP is used. Again, it's self explanatory and full of holes...(bursts into laughter again).

Shuckle might be my favourite Pokemon but in the end, it's still mediocre at best. It's usable in OU but it can't keep up with everything else as well so it's best to wait for a UU analysis. Also, I hope Hippopotas doesn't get banned to BL with the Evolite.
 
Well, it may be a strech, but what about Tangela? With the Evolite, it's bulkier than Tangrowth on both sides of the spectrum (granted you're running a 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD spread with +SpD nature) not counting HP of course. However, the lower HP also means increased Leech Seed recovery, which is not a bad thing. It still retains Sleep Powder, and can use Giga Drain with it's usable special attack. It also has Regenerator just like Tangrowth, meaning the lack of Leftovers isn't such a horrible thing.
 
The3DOstrich said:
Well, it may be a strech, but what about Tangela? With the Evolite, it's bulkier than Tangrowth on both sides of the spectrum (granted you're running a 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD spread with +SpD nature) not counting HP of course. However, the lower HP also means increased Leech Seed recovery, which is not a bad thing. It still retains Sleep Powder, and can use Giga Drain with it's usable special attack. It also has Regenerator just like Tangrowth, meaning the lack of Leftovers isn't such a horrible thing.
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If you have a look at the discussion of Tangela I had in my Tangrowth write-up's thread, you'll see that it was originally given a mention for those reasons. However, QC pointed out that the loss in HP and Lefties is simply huge, making it a lot more susceptible to residual damage. Also, since no SubSeed set for Tangrowth made it past QC (other better Subseeders in OU), there was little point even bringing Tangela up as it can't pull off any of Tangrowth's other sets.
 
Why is Honchkrow unfit? He was BL, not UU. He still is viable, especially as a mixed.

Why is umbreon also left out? Umbreon was incredibly powerful last gen. Nothing changed. No one filled his slot either.
 
Umbreon can't baton pass mean look which was pretty much his only niche in OU. Also with fighting types everywhere he can't even reliably set up curses. He doesn't work in OU anymore.

No idea about Honchkrow because I have no experience with it or against it. I'd say it is most likely due to other pokemon outclassing him.
 
Honchkrow:

Seven Deadly Sins said:
Talked to the other QC guys for this one, and got agreements from Eo and Setsuna for this one: Honchkrow is being added to the list. It wasn't good in Generation 4, and it's just gotten worse in Generation 5. It's slow, weak to SR, and not strong enough to muscle through the things that it needs to deal with. Moxie is also kinda silly on it, as it doesn't really fix any of Honchkrow's big issues. It WOULD fix the whole "loses Attack when it kills something with Superpower" thing, but it doesn't even get Superpower with it! It also doesn't get Heat Wave, which makes it suck even more.

Also Overconfidence doesn't do much for Honchkrow so "whatever".
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And, as a personal, previous user of Honchkrow, I can see why he's not getting an OU analysis.
 
Giffica said:
Why is umbreon also left out? Umbreon was incredibly powerful last gen. Nothing changed. No one filled his slot either.
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Umbreon wasn't that great at all last gen. The only run he had was at the early phases, but then everyone realized how easy it was to go through his defenses. And this was before Platinum was released.
 
Aerodactyl Legend said:
Umbreon wasn't that great at all last gen. The only run he had was at the early phases, but then everyone realized how easy it was to go through his defenses. And this was before Platinum was released.
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Umberon was actually pretty damn good in gen 4 uu until it became a poke equivalent to vire.. used by n00bs because it looks cool.

Its main trait was not mean look passing but curse passing (which was actually very advantageous in UU) and mono-attacking curse restalk. This gen, however, running umberon anywhere near OU is a terrible idea because of the prominence of ferrothorn, who leech seeds it, sets up, and laughs at its futile attempts to do damage.
 
Regice has terrible defensive typing, and is just inferior to Blissey as a special wall (which is what he should be with thee 200 base spdef). he doesn't have reliable recovery , which very bad considering his common weaknesses to fight, steel, and rock weaknesses. i can kind of compare him to snorlax who has about the same problem (from what i can notice), except his typing is even worse and, correct me if i am wrong, he can tank special hits better because of his much higher hp stat, and quite possibly def evs? his typing is his biggest flaw though


EDIT: soorry i miss read his defense stat.... but still his fighting weakness ruins him, and how would psych up eveen help him?
 
You call base 100 defense low? Seriously, what's high if so?
Also, who said Regice is limited to special walling? Regice can Psych Up, RestTalk and even sweep with Rock Polish!
 
IronGross said:
You call base 100 defense low? Seriously, what's high if so?
Also, who said Regice is limited to special walling? Regice can Psych Up, RestTalk and even sweep with Rock Polish!
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I wonder when it'll get a chance to use Psych Up or Rock Polish with all the Fighting types running around...
 
no, on the PO server we were talking and most people said without sandstream, they wouldn't use ttar. look at kyurem with its 660 BST how many people are using that? and a ttar sweep hardly ever ever happens
 
I use Kyurem, have you actually thought about how powerful it's LO Blizzard (in Hail) is? One doesn't even need to be Ice weak to face an OHKO! Add up an even more powerful Draco Meteor plus Outrage and Focus Blast and...
 
No to Regice. Just... no. Ice is an awful defensive typing and it's way too easy to switch into. It's slow, lends almost no resistances to a team, and really doesn't do any job on a team.
 
premboy95 said:
Regice has terrible defensive typing, and is just inferior to Blissey as a special wall (which is what he should be with thee 200 base spdef). he doesn't have reliable recovery , which very bad considering his common weaknesses to fight, steel, and rock weaknesses. i can kind of compare him to snorlax who has about the same problem (from what i can notice), except his typing is even worse and, correct me if i am wrong, he can tank special hits better because of his much higher hp stat, and quite possibly def evs? his typing is his biggest flaw though


EDIT: soorry i miss read his defense stat.... but still his fighting weakness ruins him, and how would psych up eveen help him?
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Non-STABed Fire attacks don't break his sub, not sure if his typing really matters after that. Walrein is also weak to Fighting, so that's irrelevant. Sub/Protect in Hail is reliable enough, and all of his major weaknesses are physical, suiting him to a special wall.

Oh. Just to say, this thing only warrants an analysis when it gets Ice Body. Otherwise it's an inferior Blissey.
 
As I stated above, Regice is very different from Blissey and is also far superior on the offensive side, with STAB Ice and a variaty of Electric attacks to complement it, as well as a decent base 100SpA.
 
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