oh shit I made a typo I can't edit
stupid me said:
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[Standard] NOC Desktop Dungeons Mafia GAME OVER
- Thread starter Alpha Werewolf
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He's asking you to prove that you are village - like Sam said, "I'm not mafia" is not proof that you're not mafia. So far, you've done nothing to defend your actions and given no actual evidence supporting your claim to be a villager, and he wants you to do that.
can we just lynch polelover and get to night already
Correct. I'm asking Galladiator and UncleSam to provide reasoning for why they are town and not scum. I've seen both UncleSam and Galladiator make claims against each other, but few for themselves.
Unvote
Vote: Ditto
imposter villager
Vote: Ditto
imposter villager
Alright, tl; dr time!
Although to begin with, Galladiator, no one cares you're new to mafia. Everyone gets the same weight in this vote, and we treat everyone not significantly different. If you're going to use that as a defense, expect it to be treated like a strawman by quite a few people. Just stop saying it.
No Lynching it is worth noting is only to try and save a member of your team, whether it's village or mafia, or a wolf might do it to try and appear as a member of said teams.
However, almost all sides can see the benefit in taking a chance and removing a member, somewhat randomly, D1. Village hopes to hit a mafia or get information from people's positions, Mafia hopes to hit anyone but wolf or themselves, and wolf just wants someone dead. When there's about 20% chance (likely give or take 10%, especially if there's a wolf), of having the lynch go against them.
Galladiator, he does this every game. Troll NOC comes to mind with the restriction of leading the village in every post, and partially because he tries to do so. He will be active, he will be a bit forceful on people, and that's normal. And normality is a way of finding mafia, if I behave differently than other games where I am mafia/not, it can and will be used against me.
UncleSam, I am curious where you get the figure of 50% chance of hitting wolf/mafia, since that may only be true in Troll NOC. I also feel you're exaggerating with saying he's fucking up the village and sabotaging us if he's making it obvious he's wolf in your eyes. I'm also not liking the fact you're agreeing with me so much so far on everything, even though you state an argument for your position.
However, Gall, we all fail to see your logic about 10 enemies of us. That makes very little sense in a non-noc game without vanillagers where we may have more info and more resources. And I know it's not something like Troll NOC since I'm village. Also realize US is only saying support or be lynched after we see the results, which can determine whether the dissenters are a good lynch for tomorrow or whether we need to consider US. I choose not to lynch him because he's making a very logical argument and trying to reason a lynch. If it's a mislynch your death will not go in vain, but based on what's in the thread atm, there's little reason to believe we shouldn't try this. If we don't lynch you, stop the complaining, stop the dramatizing and take this seriously.
Still wondering what you're looking at. I saw DLE's post, and I saw your IMMEDIATE agreement, almost suspiciously immediate, but it still makes little sense to me.
Detroitlolcat, we're not getting a leader until day 2, and even then we might not get one. We have no info and even fewer arguments we can make based off of it. The sooner you accept that the better. We have no knowledge outside of what is here. Make up your mind today, and we MIGHT have somebody tomorrow that we can trust to lead. And that's a big maybe...
Brammi, Billy is doing something right if they don't realize that was what he was doing. J-man especially caves under pressure, as seen in Peace NOC. Of course, he'd be a good inspect as well so
tl ; dr, Vote: Galladiator, but I'm willing to change if he can get a better argument together than, "I'm new, I'm village", since other new players are doing better than him.
Spiffy however, I saw that, I just am agreeing with Yeti that it seems odd for you to claim such a powerful in a game with few powerful people, especially when you were being talked about as a lynch target. You're either vig or wolf if Gallad isn't, and I'd like an inspect and BG on you tonight if Gall is village.
Fatecrashers, I emphasize the disagreement between US and Galladiator because it's likely if they're disagreeing this much, one of them is not village.
Also voicing my strong displeasure about the no nightalking and no editing rules. RIP Groshi.
Although to begin with, Galladiator, no one cares you're new to mafia. Everyone gets the same weight in this vote, and we treat everyone not significantly different. If you're going to use that as a defense, expect it to be treated like a strawman by quite a few people. Just stop saying it.
No Lynching it is worth noting is only to try and save a member of your team, whether it's village or mafia, or a wolf might do it to try and appear as a member of said teams.
However, almost all sides can see the benefit in taking a chance and removing a member, somewhat randomly, D1. Village hopes to hit a mafia or get information from people's positions, Mafia hopes to hit anyone but wolf or themselves, and wolf just wants someone dead. When there's about 20% chance (likely give or take 10%, especially if there's a wolf), of having the lynch go against them.
Galladiator, he does this every game. Troll NOC comes to mind with the restriction of leading the village in every post, and partially because he tries to do so. He will be active, he will be a bit forceful on people, and that's normal. And normality is a way of finding mafia, if I behave differently than other games where I am mafia/not, it can and will be used against me.
UncleSam, I am curious where you get the figure of 50% chance of hitting wolf/mafia, since that may only be true in Troll NOC. I also feel you're exaggerating with saying he's fucking up the village and sabotaging us if he's making it obvious he's wolf in your eyes. I'm also not liking the fact you're agreeing with me so much so far on everything, even though you state an argument for your position.
However, Gall, we all fail to see your logic about 10 enemies of us. That makes very little sense in a non-noc game without vanillagers where we may have more info and more resources. And I know it's not something like Troll NOC since I'm village. Also realize US is only saying support or be lynched after we see the results, which can determine whether the dissenters are a good lynch for tomorrow or whether we need to consider US. I choose not to lynch him because he's making a very logical argument and trying to reason a lynch. If it's a mislynch your death will not go in vain, but based on what's in the thread atm, there's little reason to believe we shouldn't try this. If we don't lynch you, stop the complaining, stop the dramatizing and take this seriously.
Still wondering what you're looking at. I saw DLE's post, and I saw your IMMEDIATE agreement, almost suspiciously immediate, but it still makes little sense to me.
Detroitlolcat, we're not getting a leader until day 2, and even then we might not get one. We have no info and even fewer arguments we can make based off of it. The sooner you accept that the better. We have no knowledge outside of what is here. Make up your mind today, and we MIGHT have somebody tomorrow that we can trust to lead. And that's a big maybe...
Brammi, Billy is doing something right if they don't realize that was what he was doing. J-man especially caves under pressure, as seen in Peace NOC. Of course, he'd be a good inspect as well so
tl ; dr, Vote: Galladiator, but I'm willing to change if he can get a better argument together than, "I'm new, I'm village", since other new players are doing better than him.
Spiffy however, I saw that, I just am agreeing with Yeti that it seems odd for you to claim such a powerful in a game with few powerful people, especially when you were being talked about as a lynch target. You're either vig or wolf if Gallad isn't, and I'd like an inspect and BG on you tonight if Gall is village.
Fatecrashers, I emphasize the disagreement between US and Galladiator because it's likely if they're disagreeing this much, one of them is not village.
Also voicing my strong displeasure about the no nightalking and no editing rules. RIP Groshi.
coherence (as defined by Dictionary.com)
1. The act or state of uniting unto a while; cohesion
2. logical interconnection; overall sense or understandability
Question: Did you read any of my posts?
Like, any of them?
Literally all I have been doing is pushing people for explanations of why they are not mafia and pushing harder when people can't come up with any explanation for why they are acting like they are acting.
But I wouldn't expect any more from a guy who believes I am "too pro-town"...seriously, just read my damn posts. It isn't difficult.
Galladiator I was obviously talking about grammatical coherence in writing. I also like how you have no counterargument for why you are behaving like mafia so, again, you focus on one small aspect of what I have said and try to make me look like a fool or a dick.
Try making an argument next time.
Wasn't this faked? Since I was silenced+lynched D1 I tuned out but I thought he was faking it (and screwed up at one point). Plus he subbed in.
This is typical US though, being loud and obnoxious to get people to pay attention to him as he tries to lead. He uses the same strategy regardless of his actual alliance so it probably doesn't tell us much about whether he's village or mafia, he'll try to mole if he's mafia and he just likes to think he's powerful.
Galladiator doesn't seem to be putting up much of a defense except insisting he's lurked smogon games and seen wolves in them but he's not wolf. And that he's new to smogon. US is picking on him a fair bit but he's not doing much to prove to the rest of us he's not guilty, except talking a whole lot.
At least he hasn't started flipping out yet like j-man last game lol
Well, Detroit, it's kind of hard to prove something when you have no night action. How do you propose I go about it?
I have never played a real NOC game before so please don't make generalizations about how I play. If you feel I am being overly loud or obnoxious to the detriment of the village feel free to supply examples. If you think I am picking on Galladiator, feel free to explain his actions for him since he apparently cannot explain them himself. It isn't "picking on him" if he is legitimately behaving suspiciously and cannot explain why; that's called helping the village.
And to answer your question I was faking that posting restriction, though I hardly see what my role in a previous game (a game in which literally everyone was mafia and which was far different format-wise than this one) has to do with this game.
Also, @AlphaWerewolf: no talking during nights is absolutely bullshit. It is already hard enough to plan in a NOC format such as this, this is just an arbitrary limitation on the village imposed in spite of past experiences showing how harmful it is to the village. We already lack power roles, can you cut us a break?
However you can. Just tell me why you're a townie. Use evidence from you posts, counter arguments against you, etc. I'm not asking for proof, as proof is impossible at this point in the game, I would like some evidence why you're on our side.
Also, @ Galladiator, I guess a good place to start would be to explain your actions.
Actually, I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, since picking on someone who actually talks like a normal person (i.e. complete sentences, and correct use of capitals and punctuation) is beyond base.
What you just said, essentially, is that I'm mafia because I don't overuse memes or talk in teh l33tspeak. That has got to be the single biggest non sequitur I've ever come across.
No, what I said was that your suspicion level is such that either you are an absolute idiot or you are mafia and of competent intelligence. The fact that you post in relatively clear sentences (albeit lacking proof or logic) proves to me that if you were a villager, you would not be acting so suspiciously whereas, for example, someone of J-Man's intelligence could act far more suspiciously and have a lower chance of being mafia specifically because he may do anything.
Is this difficult to follow for you? I notice you still haven't defended your actions but are rather attacking me.
Though it pains me to say it, UncleSam's right. Galladiator, DEFEND.YOUR.ACTIONS.
Why should I call you a townie?
Why should I call you a townie?
And Detroit, here you go.
At first I voted No Lynch because I didn't know who was who, and I wanted to test the waters before jumping in, so to speak. I had no idea at the time that voting NL meant being Public Enemy No. 1. Then when Sam voted me, I tried to explain my vote as best I could, but he just wouldn't listen and took it as further proof I was scum. Later on, when I brought up wolf, it was because I knew my post would sound wolfish simply because of the way I worded it. I didn't know if there really is a wolf in the game (still don't know for sure, tbh), yet good ol' Sam had to swoop in and jump to conclusions. (Yes, I know Quag technically weighed in first, but at least there was some logic behind his post, whereas I doubt the NYFD could have put out Sam's flaming.) The reason I've been saying that I'm village repeatedly is because I don't have much other way to prove myself short of quoting my PM and getting myself godkilled. I've been doing my best to figure out what's going on and trying to have a good time, but with Sam in the way that's simply impossible for me. In addition, Sam's posts sound increasingly self-centered to me for some reason, which is why I voted for him. All this time I've been doing what I'm doing, yes, to try and keep myself alive, but mostly to try and help the village. And yet there are people who don't seem to get that.
So yeah, that's all I can really say in my own defense.
At first I voted No Lynch because I didn't know who was who, and I wanted to test the waters before jumping in, so to speak. I had no idea at the time that voting NL meant being Public Enemy No. 1. Then when Sam voted me, I tried to explain my vote as best I could, but he just wouldn't listen and took it as further proof I was scum. Later on, when I brought up wolf, it was because I knew my post would sound wolfish simply because of the way I worded it. I didn't know if there really is a wolf in the game (still don't know for sure, tbh), yet good ol' Sam had to swoop in and jump to conclusions. (Yes, I know Quag technically weighed in first, but at least there was some logic behind his post, whereas I doubt the NYFD could have put out Sam's flaming.) The reason I've been saying that I'm village repeatedly is because I don't have much other way to prove myself short of quoting my PM and getting myself godkilled. I've been doing my best to figure out what's going on and trying to have a good time, but with Sam in the way that's simply impossible for me. In addition, Sam's posts sound increasingly self-centered to me for some reason, which is why I voted for him. All this time I've been doing what I'm doing, yes, to try and keep myself alive, but mostly to try and help the village. And yet there are people who don't seem to get that.
So yeah, that's all I can really say in my own defense.
The only difference between Groshi's edit and Spiffy's edit is that Groshi's came after I let Spiffy off with a warning and extended it to the rest of the players.
I understand that you are all not used to playing without the ability to confirm yourself to each other and plan the game. However, you knew what you were signing up for. This is how the game was designed. Also remember that this game's setup has been reviewed and approved.
Votecount
J-man (1): billymills
richheg (1): DetroitLolcat
Galladiator (4): Uncle Sam, Fangren, polelover44, Quagsires
Uncle Sam (1): Galladiator
Yeti (1): Spiffy
Ditto (1): Fatecrashers
With 19 alive, it is 10 to lynch.
I understand that you are all not used to playing without the ability to confirm yourself to each other and plan the game. However, you knew what you were signing up for. This is how the game was designed. Also remember that this game's setup has been reviewed and approved.
Votecount
J-man (1): billymills
richheg (1): DetroitLolcat
Galladiator (4): Uncle Sam, Fangren, polelover44, Quagsires
Uncle Sam (1): Galladiator
Yeti (1): Spiffy
Ditto (1): Fatecrashers
With 19 alive, it is 10 to lynch.
Vote UncleSam
I think it's obvious that Galladiator's townie, but UncleSam is pushing the anti-Galladiator stuff too far. Mafias are more dangerous than noobs.
I think it's obvious that Galladiator's townie, but UncleSam is pushing the anti-Galladiator stuff too far. Mafias are more dangerous than noobs.
Oops, forgot to Unvote first.
unvote
Vote UncleSam
unvote
Vote UncleSam
I'm going to get assailed by Sam soon...*gulp*
DetroitLolcat said:
Anyone else sensing a disconnect?
Galladiator said:
So, let me get this straight...you brought up wolf because you "knew your post sounded wolfish"? How the hell did your post sound wolfish in the least? Also, you didn't say that then, you said...
Galladiator said:
What about this post did you think was "wolfish"? Because of the "way you worded it"? What does that even mean?
Is that honestly your defense for immediately assuming I was accusing you of being a wolf? Think about this from a real-life perspective (analogy):
Let's assume there is a robbery and murder that took place on the same street, and that Galladiator (among others) was brought in for routine questioning concerning the robbery (as in, I got on him as I would anyone else who could be guilty of being mafia, or the thief) and he immediately said, without provacation "I did not commit that murder" without giving any other statements or evidence whatsoever. Then, much later on, he said that he denied the charge because he knew he was acting like a murderer and did not want to be accused of it.
Yes, this is the real life equivalent to what Galladiator just did. Think about it.
Now then, the rest of Galladiator's most recent post is dedicated to accusing me of "not listening" to him (can you honestly say that when I literally quoted every single post you have made in reference to me this entire game a few posts earlier?), accusing me of flaming him (just like I said, he refuses to give reasons for his actions but prefers to claim the "hi im new he is bullying me" card), and then complaining that he cannot justify his actions so how can he possibly be expected to.
My posts are centered on you because you are the best suspect (although detroitlolcat is getting up there).
Now then, Detroitlolcat instantly agrees with Galladiator and votes for me with no explanation for his change of heart.
In short, both are now virtually guaranteed mafia, and I am fine with lynching either of them. However, Galladiator seems the more dangerous enemy to the village (given it seems he is more intelligent), so I still think he should be lynched first.
wait is there a deadline?
No.
So can you guys just vote Galladiator and get this mafia retard out of the game please.
Everything he has said points to him being mafia. He even complains about how he can't justify his actions now and how he can't prove he is villager.
The proof is in your posts dude. And the fact that Detroitlolcat is with you every step of the way.
So can you guys just vote Galladiator and get this mafia retard out of the game please.
Everything he has said points to him being mafia. He even complains about how he can't justify his actions now and how he can't prove he is villager.
The proof is in your posts dude. And the fact that Detroitlolcat is with you every step of the way.