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I wanted to base a team around Arcanine because I was using him in another team and found him to be extremely effective. I actually think Arcanine is really underrated this generation. He destroys Sun teams with his STAB + Sun + Choice Band + Adamant + 252 Atk EV Flare Blitz. It's ridiculous how much damage it does. I do need help with some members of my team though.

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Infernape (M) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)

- Taunt
- Close Combat
- Overheat
- Stealth Rock

I use Infernape because he's my favorite lead in the game. He can be an anti-lead against set-up pokemon (stats or entry hazards), regular lead with Stealth rock (If the opponent has no spinner), and a nuker against more defensive leads (Must close combat those T-tars, grrr). I know he has the same coverage as Arcanine, but he seems to counter other leads very well. Thundurus might be better for this spot though. I'm open to suggestions here as the only reason I pick him is because I fear T-tar leads because they can literally do anything. Infernape is going to be able to get a Close Combat off no matter what, which is VERY important as it's hard to let Arcanine switch in on Tyranitar (espcially if Tyarintar is set up with Dragon Dance)
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Arcanine (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

- Flare Blitz
- Close Combat
- Crunch
- ExtremeSpeed

The star of the show. His Flare Blitz damage is off the hook. He can easily surprise Chandelures who think they'll get a free switch in on a fire move. This moveset offers decent coverage, but I what I really love about it is the raw damage. Even some of the bulkiest Pokemon in the game are going to take tons of damage from Flare Blitz. I don't use Jolly because I don't need him to be any faster. He reaches his peak early game by doing tons of damage to opponents; so he'll be causing switches a lot making speed not that useful except for outspeeding some bulky pokemon with higher base speeds (but no Speed EV investment).
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Tangela (M) @ Eviolite
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)

- Giga Drain
- Knock Off
- Leech Seed
- Hidden Power [Ice]

I really don't know what to do with this guy. I guess bulky grass types don't work like bulky water types (balancing defense and special defense), because he's pretty terrible in his current state. The lack of a reliable recovery move and lack of Leftovers really kills him. I need someone different here. I might pick Celebi, but I'm not sure. I only picked him to complete my F/W/G core and to try something different.
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Milotic (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
 EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
 Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)

 - Scald
 - Ice Beam
 - Haze
 - Recover
My bulky water. I wanted to use a bulky water that most people tend to overlook, and Milotic came up when I was looking at water types on Serebii. I feel like Milotic is okay, but she can't do a lot. I was hoping she could stop set up sweepers, but she doesn't really do it that well as she can't switch in for a hit that well. I've tried Quagsire before, but didn't really like him either. Perhaps that was because I didn't know how to EV him, though. Suggestions welcome for this one.
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Forretress (M) @ Shed Shell
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)

- Toxic Spikes
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Gyro Ball


Forretresssssssssssssss. This guy is mainly here to be a rapid spinner to handle Arcanine's sad Stealth Rock and Spikes weakness. I'm a bit unsure if I should use Shed Shell or Leftovers. I'm thinking either Shed Shell and Gyro Ball or Leftovers and Volt Switch. If someone can tell me the advantages of one over the other, that would be great.
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Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)

- Draco Meteor
- Dragon Pulse
- Surf
- Thunderbolt

My revenge killer. In fact, that's really the only reason I picked him at all. He seems to do a decent job. Not amazing, not terrible. I'm up for a change if there's someone better, but Latios seems to be one of the go-to choices for revenge killing.
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Good Team. I Have To Say. Here's Some Suggestions
For A Bulky Water To Replace Milotic I Think Magik- Uh, I Mean Rotom-W. I Don't Recommend A Particular Moveset Or EV/IV Spread Or Nature. Just Do Whatever Fits Your Team Best. Virizion Is An OK Grass Type, And The Overly Used Chandelure, In My Opinion, Is Better Than Infernape, If You Want To Change Infernape. If You Don't Want Something Too Overused, Look In The Direction Of Houndoom Or Camerupt.

Just My Opinion, So You Don't Have To Agree With It

Epically Epic, Sir Skids Nickelton. (This Tells You My Comments On A Team, Are Mine, And Not Some Hackers. Further Verification Is In The Language Used. I Never Swear, Say Anything Mean If I Disagree With Something (I'd Say "I Don't Like It That Much", Not "What A STUPID Idea, Crumb Bum"), Etc)
 
I love this team. Ive actually been working on something really similar for a while, with the whole Arcanine base w/ the fire water grass thing going on. Mine even has milotic and a latias.
Anyway, Id say that you could technically sub in a ferrothorn instead of tangela; it resists more stuff and can hold a recovery item. I know its overused though, so Id understand if you were to stay away.
 
I don't mind using something overused, but I like to mix in Pokemon that aren't used. By doing that, you might find a Pokemon that is really underrated. IMO, Arcanine is one of those Pokemon.

Ferrothorn could be good. The main problem with that is having two 4x Fire weaknesses, so I probably won't do that. I was thinking about maybe using Gyarados over Infernape with Taunt to help me against stall teams. The main reason I have Toxic Spikes on Forretress is to counter stall teams, but I need at least one of my walls to be able to abuse them. I thought about changing Milotic to Jellicent.

And @ Lemons. Awesome. We should compare our findings to see if we can make each others' team better. :)
 
Lugia Dragonite Guy said:
I don't mind using something overused, but I like to mix in Pokemon that aren't used. By doing that, you might find a Pokemon that is really underrated. IMO, Arcanine is one of those Pokemon.

Ferrothorn could be good. The main problem with that is having two 4x Fire weaknesses, so I probably won't do that. I was thinking about maybe using Gyarados over Infernape with Taunt to help me against stall teams. The main reason I have Toxic Spikes on Forretress is to counter stall teams, but I need at least one of my walls to be able to abuse them. I thought about changing Milotic to Jellicent.

And @ Lemons. Awesome. We should compare our findings to see if we can make each others' team better. :)
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yep, I like using pokemon too that aren't used much, now I have an altaria with cotton guard/ dragon pulse/ roar / roost! with calm nature and max hp/spD,, It's a great set-up blocker. I really like using it :)
 
tentafool said:
yep, I like using pokemon too that aren't used much, now I have an altaria with cotton guard/ dragon pulse/ roar / roost! with calm nature and max hp/spD,, It's a great set-up blocker. I really like using it :)
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Really? I never felt like Altaria was bulky enough to do that. Can she stop Volcarona?
 
You could try to replace milotic with a Slowbro, they are really just awesome. check out this set:
Slowbro @ leftovers
Regenerator
Bold
252 Hp 252 def 252 sp def

Scald
Slack Off
Fire Blast
Psychic

he's incredibly bulky, and the burn chance from scald is quite helpful. fire blast is great for enemy ferrothorns and skarmorys, and his ability regenerator plus slack off make him last a loooong time.
 
Hm... I do actually like Slowbro. I used him on another team. Maybe a moveset like Toxic/Slack Off/Fire Blast/Scald would let him be a tank but still handle stall teams. That could work, but that means I don't need to use Celebi for my grass type (don't need both walls weak to dark attacks.) Any clue who to use there? Preferably someone with a good recovery move.
 
Derptastic said:
You could try to replace milotic with a Slowbro, they are really just awesome. check out this set:
Slowbro @ leftovers
Regenerator
Bold
252 Hp 252 def 252 sp def

Scald
Slack Off
Fire Blast
Psychic

he's incredibly bulky, and the burn chance from scald is quite helpful. fire blast is great for enemy ferrothorns and skarmorys, and his ability regenerator plus slack off make him last a loooong time.
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'cept that set as it is is illegal...
 
instead of tangela if you don't mind breaking up your F/w/G core, you could try this porygon2


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Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Trait: Trace
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Thunder Wave
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Recover

I us this set a lot and it really rocks. You should try it.
 
I loved using Porygon 2 in gen 4. I guess he's even stronger now with Eviolite. I may try that. In that case, I might as well use Jellicent to cover his fighting weakness. I'm going to try that.

And now that I think about it, a spin blocker would be great for my Forretress, anyways.
 
Tangela (M) @ Eviolite Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Giga Drain

- Leech Seed
- Protect
- Stun Spore/Knock Off



This is the Tangela set l use a lot. For all eviolite pokemon (imo) you should max out their defenses to get the max boost from the item. Also, the low hp helps gain a better % from leech seed. Giga Drain is mainly so he isn't taunt bait,but can actually do some nice damage for a nice Hp gain.


Also Ferrothorn would also work. Ferrothorn give you a nice dragon resist if you cannot get in Latios for free

Jellicent is a pretty good partner to Ferrothorn and a great 'mon all round.

If you use Ferrothorn l suggest putting SR on Forretress and Spikes on Ferrothorn. It balances the number of turns needed to set up the hazzards.
 
Offensive sceptile! He can sponge up one or two medium mild quakes and hit a lot of the pokemon that give arcanine trouble hard. ChoiceChomp about to OHKO w/ earthquake ? Dragon pulse. Bulky waters give you trouble? Spam leaf storm. On my team, I recently removed my own latias and breloom ( which is sorta the equivalent of your latios/ tangela) and he covers both their roles just fine. ( I had to insert a wish alomomola though)
 
Okay, my team is now Jellicent and Porygon2 over Milotic and Tangela, but I am having HUGE problems with set up sweepers. I don't want to switch Forretress to Skarmory because Arcanine has a huge rocks and spikes weakness. I'm thinking that I may just have to start all over, as this team is pretty terrible (except for Arcanine, he takes someone out every match without fail.) Even though Arcanine is great, he's terribly hard to support efficiently. >_<
 
First of all, when you submit a team to rating don't come with this "I don't wanna change this or that poke". This one is the second thread with this kind of annoying sentence. In the other one the guy was so arrogant he did only left one poke to be changed lol.

If you want people to rate, you oughta know they want the best for your team competitively and not playing with your favorites. This is competitive battle, for god's sake.

Anyway, into the rate: I guess this is standard OU. If it is DW, PLEASE remove the choice band from Nine. Shandy can come in two of his moves, trap you and get a sub +6 +6 to sweep your team.

If this is standard OU, ignore that.

FWG: This tangela isn't bulky enough. I'd suggest a bulk CMVirizon which is a huge threat to many teams, as most of them aren't prepared to handle its attacks.

Also, although I HATE to admit that, the STUPID LOOKING and now trollish pokemon named Quagsire is a real bitch this generation. With Unaware and curse or stockpike it will stop sweeps and wall much better than Milotic.

Since you have Rapid Spin on forry, why not dropping Taunt for Fake Out on Ape? It breaks sash and sturdy users and can help you with hard hitting yet frail sweepers.
 
Think about what lugia is trying to say here first. I see why he doesnt want ot trade out forretress; it synergizes well with arcanine and provides rapid spin support which it desperately needs.However, I feel that lugia shouldnt give up on a team so easily. I agree it needs to be rethought, but I believe its in interesting concept.

There are many other better options over tangela, not just the specified Virijion.
Also, although this team is based arround arcanine, I feel that either it or infernape should be replaced. They cover nearly the same things, only Arcanine can hit ghosts and Infernape can set down SR. I say put on a different lead that can cover some of your teams weaknesses, not multiplying them.
The final thing is that your team lacks focus. I think what you want is a team that eliminates arcanines threats, and allows it to sweep late game. The problem is that your team is weak to quite alot of its would be threats. A choiced garchomp or tyranitar would utterly wreck it. A gyrados, even without DD could completely stop you. Just about any well played set up poke can run rampant. You either need to apply more pressure w/ harder hitting pokes, or try to stall them out ( although Arcanine is hardly built for that kind of team). Think your team over, stick to a concept, and work with others to improve it.
 
Lemonz said:
Think about what lugia is trying to say here first. I see why he doesnt want ot trade out forretress; it synergizes well with arcanine and provides rapid spin support which it desperately needs.However, I feel that lugia shouldnt give up on a team so easily. I agree it needs to be rethought, but I believe its in interesting concept.

There are many other better options over tangela, not just the specified Virijion.
Also, although this team is based arround arcanine, I feel that either it or infernape should be replaced. They cover nearly the same things, only Arcanine can hit ghosts and Infernape can set down SR. I say put on a different lead that can cover some of your teams weaknesses, not multiplying them.
The final thing is that your team lacks focus. I think what you want is a team that eliminates arcanines threats, and allows it to sweep late game. The problem is that your team is weak to quite alot of its would be threats. A choiced garchomp or tyranitar would utterly wreck it. A gyrados, even without DD could completely stop you. Just about any well played set up poke can run rampant. You either need to apply more pressure w/ harder hitting pokes, or try to stall them out ( although Arcanine is hardly built for that kind of team). Think your team over, stick to a concept, and work with others to improve it.
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Heh, You're probably right. One great thing I could do is add in Skarmory for phazing support over Infernape. If I changed him in, I would still have two Pokemon to cover my fire weakness for Forretress and Skarmory. I could give Skarmory Spikes and let Forretress set up Stealth Rock (Forretress doesn't usually stay in long anyways.) Also, this is like my fourth team, so as for the overall concept I probably shouldn't give up on it. XD (Though my other teams have been much more successful.)

Ben said:
Sorry to disapoint you, but darmanitan and entei both outclass arcanine in nearly everyway.
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I had used Darmanitan before, but I he wasn't nearly as successful. O.o But yeah, he actually is better in pretty much every way... That's someone to consider. Entei doesn't get flare blitz which makes him a less viable choice IMO.
 
Lugia Dragonite Guy said:
Heh, You're probably right. One great thing I could do is add in Skarmory for phazing support over Infernape. If I changed him in, I would still have two Pokemon to cover my fire weakness for Forretress and Skarmory. I could give Skarmory Spikes and let Forretress set up Stealth Rock (Forretress doesn't usually stay in long anyways.) Also, this is like my fourth team, so as for the overall concept I probably shouldn't give up on it. XD (Though my other teams have been much more successful.)



I had used Darmanitan before, but I he wasn't nearly as successful. O.o But yeah, he actually is better in pretty much every way... That's someone to consider. Entei doesn't get flare blitz which makes him a less viable choice IMO.
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Entei actually gets Flare Blitz via Crown/WIN 2011 Event, along with Extremespeed. They are only compatible with an Adamant nature, which is an excellent nature for it anyway. It also has access to Stone Edge, which Arcanine doesnt have.
 
Luxpluff91 said:
Entei actually gets Flare Blitz via Crown/WIN 2011 Event, along with Extremespeed. They are only compatible with an Adamant nature, which is an excellent nature for it anyway. It also has access to Stone Edge, which Arcanine doesnt have.
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Hm... Well that is good. The lack of a fighting move is not great though. I would have no one to take on Blissey/Chansey.
 
Entei has no decent fighting moves it can use. Darmanitan doesnt have access to priority and has a harder time switching because of its sub par defenses and no fire immunity. Arcanine has priority, a high power fighting move, can take a nuetral hit, and has a useful fire immunity and the ability to cripple physical sweepers on a switch. He does have lower offenses, but he can undoubtedly outperfrom the two if it keeps to these strengths.
 
Lemonz said:
Entei has no decent fighting moves it can use. Darmanitan doesnt have access to priority and has a harder time switching because of its sub par defenses and no fire immunity. Arcanine has priority, a high power fighting move, can take a nuetral hit, and has a useful fire immunity and the ability to cripple physical sweepers on a switch. He does have lower offenses, but he can undoubtedly outperfrom the two if it keeps to these strengths.
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Thank you. Just because he's not standard doesn't mean he doesn't have advantages. Thank you.
 
Although I do agree that Darmanitan outclasses arcanine to some degree, I also think that with the right support, arcanine can be a powerful threat in OU. I think that jellicent ferrothorn and arcanine make an excellent fwg combo, you should try this out. Also try drapion and other toxic spikers such as nidoqueen (no I'm serious that thing rocks). If you do pick one of those you should also run a good ground resist. I think that ground resist should be gliscor (actually an immunity but w/e). Gliscor in napes place would reduce your resistance to ground and water, as well as retaining the ability to use taunt and rocks.
 
I would try Durpsire>Jellicent

Durpsire with unaware is amazing

Sets up on a lot of crap and with curse/stockpile it can be a decent physical force or a mixed wall.
 
Darmanitan and Entei do not outclass Arcanine whatsoever. Entei is hands down worse in OU - in UU its only niche over him is the CM set which is unviable in OU due to Tran doing the SpDef Fire role better. Darmanitan meanwhile fills a rather different role, albeit one much easier to use.

For your team Darm may well fit better, sadly, since the things Arc does better are very specific, and mean that the only place I see him as truly OU viable is as support on a Sun team. Anywhere else his main STAB loses the threat it normally has, meaning he is much easier to switch into. His support moves in Crunch and CC also pretty much are tailored to help beat TTar, Heatran and Chandelure, some of the biggest threats Sun faces. Extremespeed is very helpful yes, but alone isn't enough to warrant his use over Darm, who can still kill TTar with Superpower and Chan with Rock Slide.

I'm sorry to say it, but essentially, unless you want to add in Tales somewhere (which would work reasonably well, though you'd need to make some major changes), I'd recommend you try out a CB or even CS Darmanitan over Arcanine on this team.
 
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