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UncleSam said:
Um that is a defense polelover. You have done nothing except sit around on your ass and follow the Galladiator bandwagon while only posting whenever someone brings up your name.
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I haven't contributed anything because I've found nothing of importance to contribute that hadn't already been contributed. There are plenty of other people here who have done nothing but wagon and contribute nothing all game - why not vote them?

I realize I was wrong yesterday. As I have said, if people honestly think he was acting like a villager blame me for it.
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OK, that's all I was asking for there. I'm not going to say "oh it was all your fault" because I did agree with the lynch at the time.

How about an explanation for the total lack of activity?
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Having a life?

How about an explanation for jumping on the Galladiator wagon and for generally just not explaining anything you do?
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There was nothing to explain. If you want me to reiterate every single statement you make when I agree with you on a vote, I can do so. I just didn't feel it was necessary when I jumped onto the wagon.

polelover you can start. Because simply hurling accusations, as I have pointed out countless times, is not a defense.
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Says the man who's been doing nothing but hurl accusations all game.

If you feel anything I am doing is suspicious, feel free to call me out on it. However, don't call me out on it as a response to my questions. That gets no one anywhere (see last day).

And quite frankly I wish to emphasize this to everyone: I do not know "for sure" (or even remotely close to it) that polelover is mafia/wolf. I am simply giving my hunches and the reasons behind them. If you find the reasons convincing, go ahead and vote for him but say why you are doing so. Don't just say "I agree with UncleSam" because that gets the village nowhere. List what specifically in what I said you agree with (or in many of your cases, don't agree with) and say why.
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That's what I was trying to say in my last few posts - I'm not calling you out as mafia, I'm just saying to the village "hey tone down the total bandwagoning will you." When you've got about 4 or 5 people basically saying "I'm going to kill this bandwagoner because UncleSam said so," though, it seems suspicious. Now it could just be dumb townies. In fact, that seems more likely to me. But one can't help but wonder.

Also if I was mafia don't you think the inspector would have spoken up about it? He probably inspected me last night.
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Maybe the inspector inspected spiffy?

Maybe he's worried he wouldn't be believed?

He didn't "probably" inspect you, 75% of this game thinks you're some sort of god. Maybe he inspected one of the 9,001 players you voiced suspicion on yesterday. There's really no explicit reason to think the inspector voted you.
 
Isaac 2.0 said:
I really have no choice here but to follow the leaders, here's to hoping we get this right. They already explained why polelover is a good lynch choice. At this point in the game, we have to scumhunt until the cop gets a guilty and we can test the guilty.
Vote:polelover44
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Are you serious with this??

No choice but to follow the leaderS? Assuming there's more than just US spouting off (incorrectly as we've seen). You never have to just 'follow'... how about you truckin look through this thread and find some scum of your own (BAN ME PLEASE)? Like any good villager would do??

Who the heck is "they"? Is US more than one person now?

And is "bandwagoning and contributing nothing" a GOOD lynch choice? Yes it's certainly cause for a lynch, or high suspicion, but when YOU are doing exactly the same, we should be lynching you by your own post.

You contribute nothing by following a 'leader' who got a vanilla lynched yesterday, despite several also-knowledgeable Smogon players not being convinced Gall was mafia.

I doubt US is mafia, more like just a moron vanilla who is trying to lead like always. Unfortunately, he never really gets much experience leading because he either turns out to be mafia or is killed promptly. Except Fallout 3 or whatever it was where he didn't do anything, survived, and the host got mad people said he should lose and called the game.

vote: Isaac 2.0

absolutely useless 'villager' who is content to go along with a lynch that doesn't harm him. Yes you sure have no option but to follow the man who lead a lynch, obnoxiously at that, on a vanilla yesterday. You simply can't man up and find a scum on your own or wait for a better suggestion to come along, can you? No, let's lynch the first guy to be brought up.

Gall was an idiot but a rather obviously village idiot. If US wasn't so sure he's right every time (and vocal about it) perhaps we could have lynched a better target. polelover could well be mafia but at least he didn't post something pathetic like Isaac did, whining about how apparently his intelligence level limits him to bandwagoning. Instead he posts some tl;dr about how US's scumhunting skills are overinflated.
 
I don't see why I'm the only one being called out on this when billymis and masterful both also voted polelover while also offering little other than repeating what US has said. I for one also assumed Gall was probably town if you care to reread, but had no choice and voted with the BW when it was already near majority. I was fosing detroit and wanted him lynched because of the way he posted/reacted to US's questions. (Please check my previous post, I don't want to repeat myself.)

At this point, aside from me and polelover, there are no other viable lynch options. I would be willing to lynch Spiffy, but I fear that he might really be the vigi and we mislynch. I wouldn't BW that quick if I was maf tbh, it would just call attention to myself and get me lynched.

If polelover happens to be another townie, then I suggest we not follow him anymore after Night 2. I just don't see why I'm being the only one called out on it, especially when I have defended myself and explained most of my posts before, and simply BWed today because no one else seems to be stepping up to the plate and willing to lead us.

If you want an attempt at scumhunting, check Day 1. There should be a couple Mafia among the people who voted Galladiator. (I doubt all the maf are there though, really stupid of them to do so) Feel free to lynch one of them. (As I said, I only voted Galladiator when majority was already reached, I posted at how he was probably vanilla townie, but had no choice in the matter by that time.)
 
They being the other three people who voted before me. You're apparently content to lynch me because of that BW when two other people did the same. Please do reread. (especially Day 1)
 
polelover44 said:
I haven't contributed anything because I've found nothing of importance to contribute that hadn't already been contributed. There are plenty of other people here who have done nothing but wagon and contribute nothing all game - why not vote them?


OK, that's all I was asking for there. I'm not going to say "oh it was all your fault" because I did agree with the lynch at the time.


Having a life?


There was nothing to explain. If you want me to reiterate every single statement you make when I agree with you on a vote, I can do so. I just didn't feel it was necessary when I jumped onto the wagon.


Says the man who's been doing nothing but hurl accusations all game.


That's what I was trying to say in my last few posts - I'm not calling you out as mafia, I'm just saying to the village "hey tone down the total bandwagoning will you." When you've got about 4 or 5 people basically saying "I'm going to kill this bandwagoner because UncleSam said so," though, it seems suspicious. Now it could just be dumb townies. In fact, that seems more likely to me. But one can't help but wonder.


Maybe the inspector inspected spiffy?

Maybe he's worried he wouldn't be believed?

He didn't "probably" inspect you, 75% of this game thinks you're some sort of god. Maybe he inspected one of the 9,001 players you voiced suspicion on yesterday. There's really no explicit reason to think the inspector voted you.
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This is not the reason I voted for you, but I really feel like it needs to be said. saying that other people do the same things is not a defense. You are the one as of now most likely to be mafia, which, while not a huge chance, makes you the best option at this point. You need to provide a convincing reason as to why you should not be voted.
 
I voted J-man because I wanted him to post, no one backed me up so I decided to back up US instead. It got polelover to post, so I guess it was a success.

So you're saying you assumed he was village, then lynched him anyway? It sounds to me like you were trying to make sure we didn't back out of the lynch, but trying to protect your ass when you knew it would be a mislynch.

Among the people who voted Gallad Day 1, which do you think is most likely mafia?
 
Thank you for posting. With all three of us posting, no one has any reason to point at any single one of us for BWing, especially when each had legitimate reasons.

I will not unvote yet, seeing as how many of us have been put under US's pressure test, simply to get more information from that player. If we are unwilling to lynch polelover, I suggest one of the 10 who lynched Galladiator.

Oh btw, Spiffy, I have not "BWed all game", please do reread everything in Day 1. I think it's unfair how you're making a single player look bad just to get the lynch on him, only taking in all the negatives against me, and not even factoring anything I've said earlier. Cop please check Spiffy if you haven't already. It's ridiculous to point fingers and claim BW especially when the guys has not been BWing the whole game. It either makes you look scummy, or makes you look stupid for not even bothering to reread before making an argument against any single player.
 
masterful said:
This is not the reason I voted for you, but I really feel like it needs to be said. saying that other people do the same things is not a defense. You are the one as of now most likely to be mafia, which, while not a huge chance, makes you the best option at this point. You need to provide a convincing reason as to why you should not be voted.
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Well what do you want me to say? "Oh here's my role PM"? Against the rules.
We voted Galladiator because he was "most likely to be mafia," and then he was village. There's in fact been nothing whatsoever showing that I'm 'the most likely to be mafia' (contrary to popular belief, UncleSam's vote does NOT count as proof); US voted me because I was doing something that a lot of other people (eight others, in fact) had been doing as well. Doesn't that make those eight, by US's logic, equally likely to be mafia?

Apparently not, because I'm the one you all bandwagoned on.

vote: masterful

You've done nothing but latch onto UncleSam and do whatever he tells you all game:

masterful said:
I apologize. School has gotten in the way of me posting until now. After reading through the thread I decided to

Vote: DetroitLolcat

as he posted a vehement argument against Fate's vote after either not reading the events prior to Fate's vote or simply wanting to put the spotlight on Fate. Also, to say bandwagoning is such a terrible thing while doing so yourself is just stupid
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He says, bandwagoning onto the DetroitLolcat vote.

masterful said:
K, now I feel really stupid. So yeah, kinda missed that post by AW, so I guess Spiffy might not actually be mafia. Still suspicious, but at this point, the lack of real evidence forces me to go with
Unvote
Vote: Galladiator
Honestly, at this point, he is most likely to be mafia, he is doing a terrible job of defending himself, and it's about damn time we finished with Day 1. Let's et this over with, as I doubt Galladiator's getting out of this one in any case.
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Remind me what was happening here?

Oh yeah, UncleSam had just locked his vote onto Galladiator.


masterful said:
I have to say that while UncleSam did lead a lynch against an innocent target, I don't believe he's mafia just yet. While this may make me seem like I'm allied with UncleSam, I doubt anyone would attract so much attention to himself just to get a villy lynch, especially when the odds of hitting a mafia were seemingly so low anyway. The problem I have right now in this game is that it's so hard to get any significant evidence against a player outside of suspicious behavior, and that can easily originate out of simple noobishness, something from which I myself have suffered. For this reason I find it hard to call out any specific person for the subject of a possible lynch without a compelling argument presented to me by a player more used to the behavior of mafia in these games. It's for that reason that as of now I can find no more fitting subject for a possible lynch than
Vote: Polelover44
as he has been pretty cautious in his voting so far, and has offered probably the slimmest reasoning behind his votes when he does make them, suggesting to me that he is trying his best to attract as little attention to himself as possible.
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What's that? He was really just bandwagoning on UncleSam's vote AGAIN?


Basically, this has been masterful's gameplay:

UncleSam: "I wanna vote <user> cause I think <user> is maf for reasons a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z"
masterful: "Yeah what UncleSam said"

UncleSam: "K now I'm changing my vote to <user>"
masterful: "Yeah what UncleSam said"

later, when the <user> US voted out turns up as village,

UncleSam "OK let's vote <user>"
masterful: "OK even though US's lynch last night went wrong I still don't think he's maf, so yeah what UncleSam said"


I know it's hypocritical of me to call out masterful for bandwagoning when, and I'll be the first to admit it, I bandwagoned quite a bit myself, but that's what masterful's been doing all game - bandwagoning while speaking out against bandwagoners.
 
I think the players here have to stop using "bandwagon with US" as a fallback position. UncleSam might know what he's doing, but I'm really having my doubts about him which is why I voted for him last round.

Look, I think it's suspicious that he has been very accusatory this game and that he has singled out polelover this round when many people bandwagoned last round. I think it's suspicious that people are still bandwagoning with Uncle Sam even though all he's done is lead the town to a mislynch. I think it's suspicious that nobody has suspected US as scum even though he's the most vociferous person here and has led the town to a mislynch.

I'm not sure if he's scum or not, I just think it's suspicious that everyone's just obeying UncleSam's orders without question. It's not healthy for the town, and if he IS scum we've pretty much handed this game over to the mafia.

We need to question votes, and we have to stop bandwagoning (if you provide reasoning it's not really bandwagoning).
 
Isaac 2.0 everytime you have cast a vote it has been on the person with the most votes at that current time. (Can't quote them I'm on an iPod).

The rest of your posts largely consist of repeating things other players have said already or some epicmafia mumbo-jumbo.

Also users: Fangren and Ditto should really speak up.
 
My first vote was with the majority, because at that time, no one was leading yet. When Galladiator explained, I unvoted him. I fosed Detroit and voted for him. Only when it was too late did I finally vote for Galladiator to end the day quicker.

At this point, I'm willing to listen to anyone who has any more ideas. Frankly, my primary fos (finger of suspicion) is still Detroit, based on his day 1 actions.
 
i would understand your suspicion on detroitlolcat if galladiator turned out to be mafia, but galladiator turned out village just like detroit and others predicted, so you gotta explain yourself further here
 
I've been kinda busy, what with that whole 'get paid to do shit' thing involved with having a job, so yeah...

Regarding today's lynch, I'm kinda tired right now so nobody in particular is really standing out, so I'll hold my vote for the time being. Yeah, US lead us to a lynch on a villager, and yeah some of us have been bandwagonning and such, but as I said I'm too sleepy to really give a shit. I'll try again after another day's worth of rabble-rousing and pot-stirring has turned something more interesting up.
 
I was suspicious of detroit because of page 11 and the previous pages. The logic there of proving x is ___ but voting for y didn't really add up. I will go with this polelover lynch btw if anyone fails to offer any more suggestions. If polelover is another blue, I think this will discredit US and we can safely lynch him/ignore him for the rest of the game.

After rereading the pages that brought about Gall's lynch, here are the people who voted for him once the BW started:

Spiffy
Acklow
rickheg
J-man
HSA
masterful


I apparently voted for Galladiator w/o unvoting, as my D1 vote was counted for Detroit.

Of the above players, only Spiffy seemed to explain why he voted Gall, while the rest seemed to be either sick of the arguing between US and Gall or meh about the whole thing and wanting to get the lynch overwith.
 
I did not include US there because he was the one so adamant on Gall. quagsires looks to be the most level-headed townie, and polelover is the current lynch option today.

I suppose you can throw Fangren into the lsit as well, because he seemed to just BW then disappear after his vote; only posting now to let everyone know he's alive.
 
Oh btw, just wanna point it out; Fangren is/was active lurking. Really inactive, but the moment someone brought up his name, he went and posted. It could be just a coincidence that he posted just as Spiffy did, but one of the most obvious scumtells (in EpicMafia anyhow) is active lurking.

Ditto really looks like a bored blue, seeing as he hasn't posted at all since d1.
 
As I said, if US is wrong again, that officially discredits him and we can ignore/lynch him asap. The way you're defending yourself now makes me think you're a blue fighting for his life (same as how Gall responded to US), but unless people are willing to lynch Fangren (or any of the people on the list I posted), I will have to stick my vote.

Fangren just rose really high on the suspect list from that single post; Active lurking really is scummy imo.
 
Quagsires is also the most level-headed villager because UncleSam said so. ;)

Also everyone can look at the playstyles of user: Quagsires (and myself I guess) in NOC as mafia, as well as users: billymills, Yeti, Acklow, and J-Man in NOC as village in Peace NOC Mafia.

Some things that stood out to me:
billymills - Is a bit more bandwagony, despite being against it in Peace NOC.
Quagsires - Just like in Peace NOC, everyone seems to universally trust him, which bit the Peace NOC village in the ass. :/

So Isaac 2.0 don't disclude Quag from your list because he seems to be a "level-headed villager".
 
I'm leaning Isaac over polelover at the moment.

Outside of Polelover44, Isaac, and Masterful, the only people that seem suspicious at the moment are those that haven't posted a whole lot (DLE). He's pretty much getting a free ride so far.
 
It wasn't just US who read Quag as a townie. As I said, active lurking is such a scumtell it's not even funny. You're basically unseen the whole game, but the moment someone brings up your name, you post. If no one else agrees with my proposal to lynch Fangren, I have no choice but to go with pole seeing as we're the current lynch options.

Just answer me first, why are you lynching me when I'm not the only one who BWed on pole and (I) have responded to all the suspicious things you have against me?
 
your 'defense' and 'response' is "I'll lynch polelover, I have no choice" or "let's lynch Fangren he's actually on Smogon but not spamming the thread like US does".

You seem to be very ineffective at doing anything for yourself... you don't HAVE to vote polelover if you don't think he's mafia and you really don't seem to, rather, you're attempting to save your own skin by pushing the focus onto anyone else.

"go look at who else bandwagoned Gall" being "go look at people who aren't me". your survival instincts are commendable and working in overtime.. you must have something to lose if you die! perhaps you are the mafia and not wanting to lose a member so early?

I really am not seeing much to convince me you aren't scum. Your word choice is very passive and you seem content to either follow US to the grave or follow "the leaders" regardless of your views.

just to point out I knew Spiffy/Quag were scum in Peace but I had been so inactive the entire game I just couldn't be bothered.

If there is a silencer in this game PLEASE target US so we can scumhunt properly...... his loud posts and crap are just really putting too much focus on one person (though they do serve a purpose in bringing out passive twats like Isaac who have nothing useful to say) and even though several people felt Gall was innocent, nope, because the bandwagon was set into motion he was lynched anyway.

I will let you know when US's methods of finding scum are successful. For now, watching for someone to post a scummy bandwagon vote is a lot more effective than reading his tl;drs.
 
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