Hitmonchan

Byrn Dragonstone

Byrn Dragonstone

UU has dawned, and many of the most powerful threats are now up in OU. But with the power creep giants that once reigned supreme have been dethroned, and are poised to take over UU. Snorlax, the undeniably king of 2 Generations is now in UU. Kyurem, a Legendary with a massive Base Stat total of 660 and attacking stats of 130/130/95 is unleashed. Mamoswine shakes the Earth and causes avalanches of icicles to appear. Heracross tosses enemies left and right with its mighty horn.

And these are just the Physical threats.

The Special side unleashes monsters like Solar Power Charizard, capable of 2HKO'ing the best special wall in the game. Raikou calls down lighting to strike its foes. Zapados drops from the skies of OU to bring its fury down upon unsuspecting prey. Gorebyss and Huntail break out of there shells and help spread the pain. Mew drops all the way from Uber to bring its multifaceted movepool to us. And Chansey, Suicune, Dusknoir and others are all poised to defend us from the unrelenting attacks.

Amidst all of this chaos lies the forgotten Pokemon. Often overlooked in favor of their more popular brethren they are lost in time, and often descend even lower, to land of NU.

This thread is for one of those forgotten Pokemon that has been overlooked for its close relative.

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Hitmonchan
Type: Fighting
50/105/79/35/110/76
Abilities: Keen Eye - Pokémon's accuracy cannot be lowered.
Iron Fist - Increases the power of punching moves.
Inner Focus - Prevents flinching.


Movepool


Hitmonchan is the least used of the Hitmons. It lacks the pure power that Hitmonlee boasts, and the Versatility that makes Hitmontop a top contender. But it does have one redeeming set/trait. Out of all pokemon besides Smeargle it learns the most Priority moves. It also has decent special bulk, and access to Bulk Up. And Finally it has Iron Fist and Drain Punch, a combination that Conkledurr has shown just how effective it is.

So on to the sets.

Bulky Boxer @leftovers
Trait: Iron Fist
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Sp.Def
Careful (+Sp.Def,-Sp.Atk) or Impish (+Def,-Sp.Atk)
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Ice Punch/Thunderpunch
- Mach Punch/Bullet Punch/Rapid Spin

This set is very difficult to take down as with a boosting nature Hitmonchan's special Defense is 350. After a Bulk Up or 2 Hitmonchan becomes very hard to take down. Drain Punch gives a Solid STAB that heals and gains a boost from Iron Fist. The Elemental Punch is your choice, as it is used for coverage. The last slot is used for Priority, or to help your team out if you need a rapid spinner.

It fares poorly against the stronger Special psychics so packing a pokemon to take them out will help you a lot. Houndoom makes a good partner in that aspect. Also note that this set is physically fragile till after a Bulk Up so avoid switching into stronger physical attacks.



That is it for now, will post more as more comes up, but this is the set that in my opinion sets this pokemon apart from the other Fighting types in UU this Gen.

Post away and Discuss.
 
Byrn Dragonstone said:
Gorebyss and Huntail break out of there shells
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Those two don't have shells.

Aside from that, Choice Socks is mostly correct, and you could just use the much better Hitmontop for Spinning.
 
If it weren't for Hitmonchan, no Conkeldurr would be able to learn both Drain Punch and Mach Punch. Hitmonchan has always been my favorite Hitmon.
 
Choice Socks said:
Gallade does everything better, except spinning. And rapid spin is no reason to even consider him over Gallade
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One reason to consider him over Gallade is hitmonchan has more resistances and doesn't take shit from Tyranitar.

Gallade is also weak to ghost type moves which are used more than psychic moves.

(Just feeling like arguing )
 
Azure Demon said:
One reason to consider him over Gallade is hitmonchan has more resistances and doesn't take shit from Tyranitar.

Gallade is also weak to ghost type moves which are used more than psychic moves.

(Just feeling like arguing )
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Tyranitar isn't in UU, so thats not at arguement

Gallade has shadow sneak, and the only ghosts that are outspeeding Gallade and attacking it (mismagius & rotom) are going to die to a +1 shadow sneak because they are frail.

As much as I love hitmonchan, he just isn't on par with Gallade.

@Below, while its true Hitmonchans drain punch is more powerful because of Iron Fist, lets not forget gallade base 125 Atk to hitmonchans 105 Atk
 
Mysterious Trainer said:
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Epic. I am tempted to make a joke about Shell Smashing Gorebyss and the ESRB...

Anyhow, as for Hitmonchan, he now has access to an Iron Fist-, STAB-boosted Drain Punch (135 power) to use alongside Bulk Up. This works wonderfully with his naturally high SpD and mediocre HP, since he will be able to survive most special hits and restore the majority of his HP with only 1 boost under his belt. He also has access to boosted Mach Punch (72 power), and boosted Ice Punch (90 power), which sets him head and shoulders above Gallade as a Bulk Up user despite low BST, imho.

Unfortunately, unlike Conk, he is ruined by burn, has less physical bulk, and takes much longer to deal sufficient damage. I'm not sure he has what it takes to compete in UU currently with all the powerful weather abusers, but he certainly seems viable with the Drain Punch buff!
 
Virizion said:
And they "break out of them" how, exactly?
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Who says they have to "break out of them"? It just breaks the shell(s). By doing this it must increase it's aerodynamicy and enhance it's offensiveness with the now blade-like shell shards. Stop trying to find logic in Pokémon beyond face value.
 
Mysterious Trainer said:
Who says they have to "break out of them"? It just breaks the shell(s). By doing this it must increase it's aerodynamicy and enhance it's offensiveness with the now blade-like shell shards. Stop trying to find logic in Pokémon beyond face value.
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The simple animation for Shell Smash depicts a shell around the user, then the user breaking it. The only reason those two have Shell Smash is because Clamperl gets it - it's impossible for Gorebyss or Huntail to literally perform a Shell Smash - unless their skin is protected by a "shell-like" membrane that slows them down, but increases their Defense (Hence their naturally high Defense stat). But that's a bit of a stretch.
 
Virizion said:
The simple animation for Shell Smash depicts a shell around the user, then the user breaking it. The only reason those two have Shell Smash is because Clamperl gets it - it's impossible for Gorebyss or Huntail to literally perform a Shell Smash - unless their skin is protected by a "shell-like" membrane that slows them down, but increases their Defense (Hence their naturally high Defense stat). But that's a bit of a stretch.
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Whoa now, don't even start using generic battle animations to prove a point. If those animations were the deciding factor of PokéPhysics Flamethrowers would be coming out of Pokémon's chests, Fire Fang/Bite/Crunch type moves would be the equivalent of shooting out your teeth, etc. They have shells, they can therefore smash them. Do you think GameFreak would ever overlook a logical fallacy of smashing something that they don't have? (Just kidding; see Wooper with Ice Punch)
 
Virizion said:
The simple animation for Shell Smash depicts a shell around the user, then the user breaking it. The only reason those two have Shell Smash is because Clamperl gets it - it's impossible for Gorebyss or Huntail to literally perform a Shell Smash - unless their skin is protected by a "shell-like" membrane that slows them down, but increases their Defense (Hence their naturally high Defense stat). But that's a bit of a stretch.
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Gorebyss and Huntail don't even learn Shell Smash. Clamperl does. And obviously, Clamperl has reason to learn that move. The only reason Gorebyss and Huntail have it is because, for some reason, Pokemon never forget what they already know when they evolve, even if it's not physically possible anymore...

Now, this is the Hitmonchan discussion. Not the "WUT SHELL!?1!?" discussion. So, do you feel Hitmonchan is viable?
 
Um, maybe Huntail and Gorebyss just smashes random Shell... It's Shell Smash, not Smash My Own Shell. Like one doesnt need to have rock to use Rock Smash, amirite? :D
 
Have any of you watched pokemon? They are magical creatures- Gible can form a white hot ball of energy in its mouth then bring down more from the sky as Draco Meteor.

Not to mention the ferry to the battle tower follows your player around Hoenn faster you can fly around it.
 
for fucks sake why would you even point out something like that, christ. at any rate hitmonchan does absolutely nothing that something else in UU can do better, rapid spinning fighter? --> hitmontop. bulk up booster? --> mew / gallade. priority abuser? --> still hitmontop.
 
Choice Socks said:
Gallade has shadow sneak, and the only ghosts that are outspeeding Gallade and attacking it (mismagius & rotom) are going to die to a +1 shadow sneak because they are frail.

As much as I love hitmonchan, he just isn't on par with Gallade.

@Below, while its true Hitmonchans drain punch is more powerful because of Iron Fist, lets not forget gallade base 125 Atk to hitmonchans 105 Atk
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Well, let's compare the two then.

Gallade: 68/125/65/x/115/80
Hitchan: 50/105/79/x/110/79, so yes, Gallade has the upper hand in BST.

But Gallade's 40BP Shadow Sneak is a far cry from a 72BP Mach Punch, and it's Drain Punch has 112.5 BP, as opposed to 135. So running calcs against the same 4/252 Eviolite Chansey, assuming max+ attack for each:

Gallade Drain Punch: 59.2% - 70.1%
Hitchan Drain Punch: 62.9% - 74.1%

So essentially, it boils down to a choice between typing, Hitmonchan's better ability and Mach Punch, or Gallade's better special bulk to help set up. It still doesn't likely belong in UU, though, so there's not much to discuss beyond this.
 
And tell me why Gallade runs Drain Punch over omgchanseyisohkoed Close Combat?

Chan's Iron Fist boosted Elemental Punch is nothing to laugh about though.
 
Cinccino said:
And tell me why Gallade runs Drain Punch over omgchanseyisohkoed Close Combat?

Chan's Iron Fist boosted Elemental Punch is nothing to laugh about though.
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Well Hitmonchan can also learn Close Combat. Regardless, Chansey was just an arbitrary example to show Hitmonchan is actually stronger despite the lower Atk stat.

And this has been bothering me for a while - how can anyone Shell Smash twice???
 
The breaking out the their shells thing was an allusion to their new toy in Shell Smash. Kinda like "Hitmontop a top contender"

As for the actual discussion.

Hitmonchan has arguably better typing over Gallade (Resisting Dark and Bug, and a Neutrality to ghost), and a stronger Drain Punch. It also has the Elemental punches for amazing coverage, and better Priority moves.

Gallade on the other hand has higher Base Attack so it does more damage with anything not a Punch. It also has higher base speed, and a tad more bulk.

So basically Hitmonchan can run the Bulk Up set better then Gallade, but Gallade runs pretty much any other set better. In other words if you want to run anything besides Drain Punch for STAB, run Gallade.

Real quick, can anyone run some calcs, my Damage Calculator isn't working right. I just want to know the damage output that a 4 Move attacking Hitmonchan would do (Drain Punch/Elemental Punches/Mach or Bullet punch) compared to Gallade.
 
Mysterious Trainer said:
Whoa now, don't even start using generic battle animations to prove a point. If those animations were the deciding factor of PokéPhysics Flamethrowers would be coming out of Pokémon's chests, Fire Fang/Bite/Crunch type moves would be the equivalent of shooting out your teeth, etc. They have shells, they can therefore smash them. Do you think GameFreak would ever overlook a logical fallacy of smashing something that they don't have? (Just kidding; see Wooper with Ice Punch)
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I think I love you
 
There is a reason gallade was booted to BL last gen, and hitmonchan has never made it out of NU.
I'll give hitmonchan a chance at a spot in my team, when i'm on the NU ladder, untill then Gallade > Hitmonchan
 
Choice Socks said:
There is a reason gallade was booted to BL last gen, and hitmonchan has never made it out of NU.
I'll give hitmonchan a chance at a spot in my team, when i'm on the NU ladder, untill then Gallade > Hitmonchan
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Well To be honest the reasons were very very minimal.

1. Gallades base stats were better
2. Move pool was larger and he had answers to bulky pokemon like Swampert and things of that nature.
3. Gallade would stomp out hitmonchan in a fight if hitmonchan isn't set up prior to him coming in.

But I have vids of me sweeping multiple OU teams with my bulk up hitmonchan in OU.

Hitmonchan hits harder, has a better set of resistances, and better priority.
 
The reason Gallade was BL and Hitmonchan was NU last gen was because the Bulk Up set wasn't very good and Gallade had many more options. It might be better this gen with the boost to Drain Punch, but my initial guess is probably not. I was actually thinking of a Sub/Bulk Up set to deal with Chansey, but then I realized that Close Combat is a OHKO...
 
Good god, you people are completely ignoring the something good Hitmonchan can do that Gallade never can.

Agilichan @Expert Belt or Life Orb
Trait: Iron Fist
EVs: 168 HP/252 Atk/ 88 Speed
Adamant
- Drain Punch
- Ice Punch
- ThunderPunch/Fire Punch
- Agility
 
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