If you don't mind, l am borrowing Liligant and l will attempt to make an anti-metagame/weather team with it. (: This is an amazing team and Gz on the Archive nomination.
care to explain how, as lilligant outspeeds specs toed even when its not in sun, and a leaf storm or even a sleep powder should shut toed down
First things first, amazing work dude. I myself run a Sun team, and with prevalence of Sand I can attest to how hard it is to make a decent team that can actually win.Now on to the actual suggestions on my part.
Ninetales (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Drought
EVs: 124 HP / 132 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Overheat
- Rest
- Power Swap
- Will-O-Wisp
This is my current Ninetails set. Biggest differences over your are EV's and Rest. The EV's that I am using provide the greatest special bulk while being able to speed tie with other Base 100's and Overheat them to death/Power Swap. I highly suggest these as they have helped me out a lot, though I don't know your playstyle so they might not work for you as well. As for rest, I use it to heal to full and allow for a couple more Sun switches/Status pivot.
Also if you are having issues with Gliscor I have some things that might help.
First up.
Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 248 HP / 108 Atk / 24 Def / 128 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Meteor Mash
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake/Pursuit/Bullet Punch
- Hone Claws
Yes a boosting Meta that isn't an Agiligross. This thing has the Bulk to survive a +2 Gliscor's Earthquake and OHKO with Ice Punch. It can also kill every dragon known to man. After a single Hone Claws it basically OHKO's the entire Metagame. Last moveslot is for coverage. Pursuit allows it to kill the Lati's, Earthquake makes it less walled by Ferrothorn, Bullet Punch is priority. Also since most Gliscor tend to switch in when they see Meta it makes killing them that much easier.
The other Pokemon is a rather underrated Pokemon in my opinion. It can kill of many of the top tier threats and live to tell the tale.
Crobat (M) @ Leftover/Life Orb
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Brave Bird
- Tailwind/Mean Look/Torment/Taunt/Super Fang
- Roost
Yep, Crobat. Able to outspeed much of the tier it can provide support or just attack and run. U-Turn is obvious scouting/getting out to a better match up. Brave Bird is you STAB of choice. It allows you to go toe to toe with Gliscor and win. It also kills every fighting type (I think, haven't calc'd Lucario) and is a OHKO on Conkledurr. Adamant nature is needed for the extra power and since he sits so high up in the Speed Tiers it isn't going to affect what you outspeed. Roost is to heal off damage from SR and stray moves. The moveslot with all the slashes is where it gets interesting. Tailwind means you team is basically all Cloro users for a few turns (Imagine a Sand Rush Garchomp O.O, or a Mach 5 Lilligant). Mean Look allows you to trap some of the more annoying stuff, such as Gliscor, to weaken or kill. Torment/Taunt are able to break a lot of pokemon, especially choiced mons. Super Fang can be used to quickly shave off half of your opponents health before U-Turning to another Pokemon. Leftovers VS Life Orb is Health VS Damage. Roost can help negate the Life Orb, but with a SR weakness the leftovers are useful.
Some other notable moves are Haze and Sunny Day. Your team doesn't seem to be in need of what those obviously provide so I left them off.
Anyways those are the suggestions that I have. If you find any of them to be useful let me know.
Thanks!This is a really great team! It helped me get started with sun so I want to be able to thank you. I'm doing my best laddering with it right now to help get it archived. In the meantime, how about some suggestions:
I think you should replace Durant with Scizor. Scizor checks Terrakion whilst acting as a fail-safe against Latios. It also provides some much needed priority for the team. Unlike Durant, Scizor doesn’t just roll over and die to any special attacks and can muscle its way past Gliscor after a couple of boosts. The set I recommend is:
Scizor (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 232 HP / 252 Atk / 24 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Roost
Scizor fits in well with the strategy of the team. It can take advantage of the sun to get past bulky waters and checks many more threats with powerful priority. Scizor also has more targets to set-up on and increases your overall consistency by utilising moves that are perfectly accurate.
The next change I would consider is with Snorlax: I think Fire Punch should replace Crunch. Pursuit already does a decent job handling Ghosts but Fire Punch can be used to take out Ferrothorn and Scizor since most of them don’t carry Superpower any more. Also, since we’re not using Durant, Body Slam should replace Return. The extra chance of paralysis helps against many things hoping to switch in on a weak dark-type move.
That’s all I can think of at the moment, I hope it helps. :)
Specs Politoed is a problem on paper, but it's completely solve-able and has never really given me any trouble unless they know about my team beforehand.Am I the only one who is wondering how the heck you deal with Specs Toad? 83.3% to 2HKO Snorlax with SR down while Liligant takes 65% with no recovery move meaning you can't switch into it while it can basically switch into Ninetails with impunity and press Surf and kill something.
So basically against a Specs Toad you never have Sun up unless you double switch like a genius or it basically systematically kills each of your pokes 1 by 1 because Ninetails can't do shit to it and you can't switch into it.
Specs/LO Starmie in the rain is even scarier as its harder to revenge kill with Chomp/ Ape.
Maybe I'm not seeing it but seems like this sun team is horrendously rain weak.
I've yet to see one! I hear about them, but never ran into one. >:I have two things to say. Firstly, this is a great team, original too. Secondly, it's everywhere with Scizor instead of Durant. I must have played it about 8-10 times with my test account.
In retrospect, I don't think it actually KOs Gyara all the way assuming the bulky set is still standard. But she does OHKO Tyranitar. They need a lot of Sp.Def investment to withstand a SE Leaf Storm even with Sandstorm up.This is a pretty good team. To be honest, I think you could do better with a Steel-type in a Sun team. For Durant, you're only boosting moves that Durant has a 4x weakness too. An infinitely better choice would be Heatran, even though you don't like it. Still a Steel-type, avoids Earthquake via Air Balloon, and if you try hitting it with a Fire-type move, you raise his already boosted Fire-type moves. Perfect for switch-ins on Fire-types looking to decimate Lilligant. And speaking of Lilligant, did you say a Leaf Storm OHKOs Gyarados? That things design has been fooling me. It looks far inferior to its counterpart, Whimsicott. As for OHKOing Tyranitar, that thing most likely didn't have any Sp. Defense EVs invested in it. In the sand it gets a 1.5x Sp. Defense boost, so if it had a decent amount of Sp. Defense EVs invested, I'd expect it to survive it.
As for Durant, if you'd much rather keep it, you could always go for the Truant/Entrainment combo. Then switch into, say Chandelure, while using Protect when they attack, and boosting+attacking while they're slacking off. Makes for a perfect setting up of a sweeper. Plus, Chandelure's a Fire-type.
"Most" aren't? "Most" would assume that someone is actually using that Tyranitar. Why would anyone ever be running those kind of EVs on Tyranitar? That's just a waste of a Tyranitar. That's not even a threat to Lilligant in the first place without any decent offensive presence.lol lilligant does NOT 1hko tar, it does around 70-80% AFTER life orb, but still comes close. but thats vs 252/252 tar, most t tars aren't 252/252 tho, so w/e