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Vote: Acklow

I'm cooling down on Yeti now, although I don't think she's off the hook! Considering Acklow started going on IRC when this game began, despite how "little time" he has had to even post in the thread, I feel that he is probably our safest bet. I'd really like everyone's view on the lynch right now, especially Quagsires who hasn't posted until his hesitant lynch on Yeti and HSA who is an opinion we can trust.

Also it's pretty safe to assume that one of Yeti and billymills is mafia.
 
I'd like to state that May was a transitionary month for me. I'm obviously on IRC more, but that has nothing to do with this game since IRC is not necessary. Honestly though, I don't see why IRC is considered a form of measuring one's credibility. Spiffy, I see you on IRC all the time when I go on. I don't complain about it whenever you never post.
 
Listing off opinions of people

Assuming none of the villagers killed before n2 were the inspector, then HSA, Spiffy, and DLE are clean. I also claim to be clean.

Yeti I've already claimed to be mafia. You can refer to my previous posts for reasoning.

Acklow and Fangren have not brought up a whole lot, have been targeted for not posting from time to time, and haven't really brought up anything on their own. Acklow has posted slightly more, and more of late, but still not a whole lot.

Fate and quagsires have played pretty similarly, not attracting too much attention, but still pressing points. Generally behaviour I would hope most people would display.

J-man and DetroitLolCats: I don't know what to say. Maybe take an English course, maybe try rereading what you're posting before you post it. There's a misstep in nearly everything you post. Stop proclaiming you're clean or pro-town, and start acting like it.

Rickheg completely refuses to say anything at all, so I can't really judge him.

I'm assuming there are 4 mafia remaining, 5/20 seems reasonable to start; however 4 or 6 are certainly possible. My top 4 at the moment (in order) would probably be Yeti, Acklow, J-man, and quag, though yeti is the only one I'd be confident enough to lynch at the moment.
 
Ok since I'm not feeling particularly lazy right now (and since it's been asked for!) I'll post my thoughts on the current lynch prospects:

Yeti: Sorry I'm biased towards anyone who Defends mafia (reason I checked DLE) but now I realize his suspicions were comparatively more legitimate and he didn't have complete logic screw-ups like suggesting the inspector check someone who would obviously be mafia. Overall, I really wouldn't mind her going.

Acklow: Using life as an excuse and then posting tl;drs when you're called out doesn't really help you much.

Idlers: I think we should lynch one of these guys soon. I find fangren a more threatening target simply because he posts a little bit more. A mafia is likely to speak up and defend himself the second he gets called out, and I think fangren's done a little bit more of this.


One last thing: I'd like to once again bring up J-Man as a target. The guy has 500 posts and fails to understand how the "edit" button works. Either he's stupid (idk) or he's scum. I'd like more opinions on this, but I'm starting to think it was a mafia's last ditch effort instead of a failed good Samaritan act.
 
please, waste yet another lynch on a villager. note that i have not advocated the lynch on any villagers, if i was mafia i probably would have supported lynching gall or masterful ???? also note that i was the one to state i felt masterful was just dumb as opposed to scum.
if anything i have resisted lynching anyone too hastily, a mafia would probably press the lynch, right?

i don't get why you act like i knew pole was mafia... as i have said numerous times before, it was not 100% confirmed he was mafia and hsa was alliance checker at the time i called his assertions into question, when they were already very poorly timed and against someone who had been suspicious all game.
had he stated anyone else was mafia i would have questioned his legitimacy as well.. and if pole had turned out to be village, or whoever he'd said was mafia, then what?? would i still be scum for questioning a self-preservation claim?
as the case was, with no cc, i accepted hsa's validity.. now if i had kept on insisting hsa could be faking i could understand your suspicions but seriously? once it was obvious there was no other inspector, that was that. until that point the possibility i was right was still quite open, though pole was highly suspicious.
don't think of it as defending pole because it wasn't.. i could care less who the person inspected was, rather that the claim seemed all too convenient and necessary for hsa to avoid being lynched.

lol this is pathetic.. if you want to lynch me because i overthought a cleaning process that has basis from fluo then go on, waste the lynch, maybe i'll suicide for you so you can take another shot ????
am i not allowed to slip up in my thought process at times, not like i could edit it anyway to correct my error ?_?
do i genuinely have to play without the slightest flaw to not be scum or can you all sit the truck down and shut up

now that i think about it, i believe i was thinking it was possible hsa could have been paranoid, naive, etc. and if there was a sane inspector, they should confirm he was indeed mafia and not just a decoy cop.
of course that is rarely seen on smogon so it briefly entered my mind when someone brought it up that hsa could be paranoid, i posted, then forgot that had been my hypothesis. mulling back as to why i felt the need for a check would be necessary, i'm p sure that was what i was going for.
sure is a 'complete logic screw-up' wanting to make sure, had pole NOT been mafia or had he been as the case was and you were paranoid, that you yourself were not mafia IF there had been another cop role.
but again, that was prior to the events revealing there is no other cop and hsa is sane. so at the time, it was an improbable but possible circumstance and i did not want to see hsa take a hit if he was just a nutty cop.
 
It's less logical mess up than logical incoherency.

We've been told that the village roles in this game are limited, see: bodyguard, vigilante. Our inspector is also presumably weakened, but then you question the existence of a weak inspector when he steps up. (There's a difference between being suspicious of a claim, and actively opposing it.) You think an alliance checker is too fishy a claim.

Now you're saying you assumed there was a nutty alliance checker along with a full-inspector?

No one wanted to rush the lynch, we all gave plenty of time for a counter claim to come up, but no one outright derided HSA's claims like you.
 
HSA said:
One last thing: I'd like to once again bring up J-Man as a target. The guy has 500 posts and fails to understand how the "edit" button works. Either he's stupid (idk) or he's scum. I'd like more opinions on this, but I'm starting to think it was a mafia's last ditch effort instead of a failed good Samaritan act.
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... Did you ever read the rules?
 
J-man said:
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Originally Posted by Fat HSA

One last thing: I'd like to once again bring up J-Man as a target. The guy has 500 posts and fails to understand how the "edit" button works. Either he's stupid (idk) or he's scum. I'd like more opinions on this, but I'm starting to think it was a mafia's last ditch effort instead of a failed good Samaritan act.

... Did you ever read the rules?
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lol
 
did one of my posts get deleted or did you guys just not read it???

as i said, my thoughts were:
1. hsa claimed right after a vote was placed on him
2. his initial claim was inspector (NOT sheriff)
3. he stated he found a mafia who was already highly suspected to be scum
4. he then 'changed' his story to be sheriff.. perhaps he didn't understand the difference between inspector and sheriff as it exists on smogon but considering his role name was Town Sheriff i was not sure why he stated inspector initially
5. someone mentioned the possibility he could be insane or paranoid

this led me to believe:
1. do we have a sheriff instead of inspector
2. if there is an inspector, do we ALSO have a sheriff (i didn't want to off hsa if an inspector did speak up but both could have been village)
3. is hsa sane
4. like peace noc, is there a split inspection situation?
5. is hsa back-tracking on his inspector claim because when confronted he realized he would need to claim sheriff to be credible

when no cc was presented, i felt it safe to say hsa is the real deal and voted.
i didn't think there'd be a full inspector and insane/paranoid sheriff, rather, a sane sheriff and insane.
plus his cleaning spiffy, who so far had yet to actually kill anyone and was seemingly the only person "mana'd" for a hook, seemed like he was cleaning a potential mafia teammate. obviously that isn't the case.

i admit i likely discluded several key phrases from my posts.. rather unfortunately i have the habit of thinking everything through in my head then forgetting nobody else was privvy to the train of thought and won't make the same connections.

at no point did i try to deride hsa's claims or defend polelover, rather i questioned hsa's actions because i felt there were too many inconsistences and conveniences early in the day, however as events unfolded i determined hsa was a truthful individual.

how many times do i have to recount this same thought process lol.. it's like you all think i somehow knew 101% hsa was the cop and pole mafia but still took the course of action i did. no, at the time, it was not confirmed, thus my suspicions, especially considering hsa's actions, were entirely warranted. nobody else seemed to be pressing the issue of his shoddy at best claim so i did.
 
Yeti said:
1. do we have a sheriff instead of inspector
Is this remotely important?

2. if there is an inspector, do we ALSO have a sheriff (i didn't want to off hsa if an inspector did speak up but both could have been village)
Is this remotely possible.

3. is hsa sane
...uh huh.

4. like peace noc, is there a split inspection situation?
Again, is this relevant.

5. is hsa back-tracking on his inspector claim because when confronted he realized he would need to claim sheriff to be credible
Or maybe hsa realised, like the rest of us, that sheriff and inspector would pretty much be synonymous in this game.
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when no cc was presented, i felt it safe to say hsa is the real deal and voted.
i didn't think there'd be a full inspector and insane/paranoid sheriff, rather, a sane sheriff and insane.
plus his cleaning spiffy, who so far had yet to actually kill anyone and was seemingly the only person "mana'd" for a hook, seemed like he was cleaning a potential mafia teammate. obviously that isn't the case.
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It would be an extremely poor idea to 'clean' spiffy had HSA been mafia, then we'd have 2 mafia effectively confirmed, instead of just 1.
i admit i likely discluded several key phrases from my posts.. rather unfortunately i have the habit of thinking everything through in my head then forgetting nobody else was privvy to the train of thought and won't make the same connections.

at no point did i try to deride hsa's claims or defend polelover, rather i questioned hsa's actions because i felt there were too many inconsistences and conveniences early in the day, however as events unfolded i determined hsa was a truthful individual.

how many times do i have to recount this same thought process lol.. it's like you all think i somehow knew 101% hsa was the cop and pole mafia but still took the course of action i did. no, at the time, it was not confirmed, thus my suspicions, especially considering hsa's actions, were entirely warranted. nobody else seemed to be pressing the issue of his shoddy at best claim so i did.
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As far as i'm concerned, the thought process is still lacking here.
 
well billymills it seems like regardless of the multiple avenues of thought i approached the situation from you take problem with every single one
so not much more i can say as you seem fully convinced i am mafia regardless of any justification for my actions, etc.
it's just continued tl;dring to try and prove, again, with the same facts as before, i'm not scum.

let's get to work finding an actual scum, why don't we?
here's to looking at the quiet boys rickheg and fangren
 
Thoughts that I said I'd post two days ago.

Alright, how I see the situation with Yeti is if a seriously flawed thought process to lean support towards someone who turns out to be mafia is a viable excuse for a lynch. I say yes, and will not remove my vote at this time.

However, I do agree with Yeti that no one really trusted HSA when he revealed himself, there should've been a counterclaim from the mafia, but alas nothing happened. He COULD be insane or paranoid, but after lynching a mafia because of him I'm willing to bet he's not.

That being said, what is the twist? Recruiter mafia? Survivor? What? Or is there no twist and he only said that to make us believe there is one?

DLC was interesting to note with his defense of Spiffy, who is now proven clean due to the sole inspect. I also somewhat suspect that it was because he knew SPiffy wasn't mafia, although I can't confirm that and if Spiffy idles again...

Also to Spiffy, I'd like to see a bit more thought on the mafia teams you threw out there, while I do not deny the plausibility, evidence for them would be much appreciated.

Acklow using life as an excuse is valid, but it's worth noting Pole did the same thing. Look at him...

Rick and Fangren the only thing suspicious is that they say nothing and have made some odd votes. Worth noting Fangren is still active to today and has not posted outside a mafia game in the past 50 posts at least, and I'm having trouble finding a post outside of circus from him ever. Not to mention posting here four days ago...

Billy and Fate I don't consider myself to be the same playstyle of or even on the same level of them, but I'd group them together, believing both are probably about the same chance of being mafia, and with there being much better targets for a day vote.

J-man is kinda cleaned based on his near lynch, but I wonder sometimes if he put that EDIT in the original post...

HSA DLE and Spiffy are bad votes. Don't vote for them.

So if I gave actions:

Vote Yeti and she how she flips
Kill Fangren
Inspect Rickheg

Comments?
 
Quagsires's action plan looks good to me, though the positions of Yeti and rickheg in that plan are interchangeable to me, so my vote stays on rickheg for now. I would also not disagree with a vigilante kill of Fangren, even though Spiffy has yet to have one successful night action carried out...
 
Has nobody realized that I've never exactly been a talkative person, regardless of the game I'm playing in? Seriously, don't ask Spiffy to waste his kill on me for such a shitty reason.
 
Quagsires said:
Vote Yeti and she how she flips
Kill Fangren
Inspect Rickheg

Comments?
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My primary concern is saying with certainty who will be inspected/vigged. I'd rather give a small list of people who should be vigged tonight, and a list of people who should be inspected tonight. I'd keep people in one list only so there's no chance of overlap and wasting actions.
 
I'm fine with getting inspected. But if the mafia know I'm getting inspected, then they can just kill me, and we'll be with less information. If we said, just for example, that Fangern, DLC, or I would be inspected tonight, the mafia and HSA are less likely to target the same person, and we can identify two people instead of just one.
 
The village's problem is that there are too many people that aren't talking or promoting discussion and even when we call them out they don't budge. The only way we got someone to talk (Yeti) was to put three or four votes on them. I (Spiffy) am officially calling out users: Fangren, Quagsires, and Fatecrashers.

Please don't make shitty excuses about real life; If you don't have time for this game then please request to be subbed out. Since Fangren just gave the most pathetic excuse I have ever seen, I request that we put 3-4 votes on him to make him talk.

This may not be the most surefire way of finding mafia but no one else is stepping up so I'm just trying to get the ball rolling.

Unvote

Vote: Fangren

I still got my eye on you Acklow!
 
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