You don't need skill to do it...just copy one of the decent teams from the RMT section...they all use the same Pokes and movesets anyway. This metagame literally does play itself.
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np: OU Suspect Testing Round 4 - Blaze of Glory
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I took the Jirachi / Glis / Rotom / Tyranitar / Chomp + Filler mold (hey that's five pokemon set!) and reached #84. I have screenshots if you want to see them. Then I tried using nonweather in the form of something like Virizion / Heatran / Mew / Mence / Slowbro / Zong that can't just spam subs with chomp and I fell to like 1158 or something. There is no reason not to use drizzle + specs hurricane or sand veil + chomp and the teams that don't lose to them for the most part!
First of all there is no need to be rude and call people morons for voicing their opinions on the voting results just because you made 1450 and they didnt,
Second, you say that people are morons for not being able to reach a simple 1450, when in fact due to the pokemon online rating system where you gain less points for battling lower ranked opponents (and due to points decay) there is in fact a limit to how many people could have this ranking (unless they had all won 100 battles at +1 -31), if all "competent" players were able to reach 1450 the standard of play near 1450 would rise and good "competent" players would simply be unable to reach 1450 due to there simply being too many other good players at that level.
I have looked at another past post of yours on this thread where you are very rude to JTswift for voicing his/her opinion on bringing down lugia for ou testing and i must say that if you dont have anything constructive to say and are just going to be rude then there is no point in posting at all.
Then why didn't you get reqs skitz0phrenic?
Long story short, all of you who are bitching did nothing to make an impact on this decision. If you want Drizzle gone, then quit your moaning, put one of these supposedly easy to use teams together, gets reqs, and vote it gone. Otherwise, as alexwolf said, just quietly give your opinion and leave it at that, none of this "voter pool is biased" bullshit.
Long story short, all of you who are bitching did nothing to make an impact on this decision. If you want Drizzle gone, then quit your moaning, put one of these supposedly easy to use teams together, gets reqs, and vote it gone. Otherwise, as alexwolf said, just quietly give your opinion and leave it at that, none of this "voter pool is biased" bullshit.
@scizofrenic
if that is so then do the same!if you hate drizzle so much then copy a team and go to conquer the ladder!get a chance to support your opinions with facts not only theory...if u have already done that then fine but if you don't,then pls stop making it out to be so easy 'cause the people that actually got reqs will sound like jerks...
and to rosey oaks i personally enjoy the current meta and the only things that i would like gone are sand veil and maybe latios,but i am not quite sure about the latter....
also i would like aldaron's proposal removed!i think that the best action to do right now would be to instantly ban the 3 broken swift swimmers(kingdra,ludicolo,kabutops) and then ban every other sweeper that becomes broken under drizzle...
if that is so then do the same!if you hate drizzle so much then copy a team and go to conquer the ladder!get a chance to support your opinions with facts not only theory...if u have already done that then fine but if you don't,then pls stop making it out to be so easy 'cause the people that actually got reqs will sound like jerks...
and to rosey oaks i personally enjoy the current meta and the only things that i would like gone are sand veil and maybe latios,but i am not quite sure about the latter....
also i would like aldaron's proposal removed!i think that the best action to do right now would be to instantly ban the 3 broken swift swimmers(kingdra,ludicolo,kabutops) and then ban every other sweeper that becomes broken under drizzle...
@those telling me to copy a team and ladder.
My singular vote wouldn't have made a difference at all. Why would I want to spend my time not enjoying the poor state of a metagame just to have all of that time spent not matter at all? I'm sorry I like to enjoy competitive Pokemon and not force myself to a ladder so that I can obtain some political figure point where ultimately it wouldn't matter anyway.
My singular vote wouldn't have made a difference at all. Why would I want to spend my time not enjoying the poor state of a metagame just to have all of that time spent not matter at all? I'm sorry I like to enjoy competitive Pokemon and not force myself to a ladder so that I can obtain some political figure point where ultimately it wouldn't matter anyway.
Hi all of you are being really childish right now I can't believe it. You're complaining that drizzle isn't banned or that more weather wasn't banned and you're saying the suspect voters just picked to keep it because they win with it. The fuck? I think weather is healthy and I will continue to get voting rights so I can vote it ou. All the people here who are complaining should have gotten rights or gotten special reqs if you feel you're more qualified to vote than the current voters
you have really messed up opinions!
when you want something to change you try with acts to achieve this change!
if every single person was thinking like you then...i don't even want to imagine!
if all of you people that claim that is so easy to go up in the ladder spamming op strategies,actually manage to go up to the ladder then just vote for drizzle to get banned and that's all...
and since you are telling that those people are so many then normally if all these people grab the oportunity to actually have some rights in what gets banned and what not instead of bitching around,then drizzle would get banned!
but instead of this you chose to stay inactive and moan in the forums!
I admittedly made a mistake and placed confidence in those that regularly ladder for reqs to make the obvious choice to amend this awful metagame. I made no arguments in this thread prior to the voting period because I had full faith in this community to make the right choice in supporting a creative and diverse metagame.
We received more new Pokemon in one generation than ever before, new abilities, new moves, and had some old Pokes buffed up to a useable level. By some unnatural force of nature, there are less viable Pokes in OU at this point than there was during the late DPPt era (which was honestly pretty limited as it was..).
I've made no claims that those with reqs are bias or any of these whimsical theories. I've simply stated the facts that this metagame is INCREDIBLY limited in options, and therefore suffers in range of prediction, movesets, and general useability. The obvious means of amendment to this severe issue is to remove the restraints that hold it back.
I'm not bitching about drizzle or anything. I'm just defending the people being called morons because they didn't do what everyone else did and abused silly shit like subchomp to get reqs. I took a modified version of solum's core and got to 84 with it and that just shows how an average gen 5 battler like me get do well with a generic team and can't do nearly as well with a weatherless/chompless team.
Oh I'm sorry guys, apparently you all missed the sign ups to this:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3447333
You guys were expecting people to just lose to you right?
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3447333
You guys were expecting people to just lose to you right?
Way to stay on topic and make a contribution to the discussion.
it is about getting reqs when the suspect testing comes close!it always has been like this!you play for fun and when the suspect testing comes close you try to get up on the ladder if you want to improve the metagame!
so Curtains if you want to make the metagame more funny and enjoyable then do something about it!!!
and finally if you are so so disapointed about the meta,and you don't even want to ladder to get reqs since it is not fun,then play in another meta!that's why there are 4 metas as of now(ubers,ou,uu,ru)!so you can chose whichever suits you more!!!
This.
I am also quite surprised and admittedly disheartened that Drizzle didn't get banned this round, but instead of blaming the voters I know that I should've done something to reach the top.
That's the fucking problem. "I'll do nothing, it's not gonna work anyway, I'm just one person, what I do doesn't count. Why bother."
This negative, counterproductive thinking is contagious, and when people begin thinking like that things just go down the shitter.
You may not be able to change things alone. But you don't HAVE to do it alone. We're a community, damnit! If you know how other people feel about it, encourage them to join you in trying to make it on the ladder. Initiative is contagious, too.
Do I think there was a failure? I can't say. I cannot speak for the public. While I'm surprised Drizzle actually stayed I guess I can't do anything about it 'cause I didn't vote, so instead of bitching about it either I try to make reqs or just live with this meta. But to all those who are crying about the end result and didn't try to make reqs you only have yourselves to blame.
If you really want something, quit whining and fucking work for it.
That's the only way.
Firstly, @alexwolf, I know we have pretty much been at odds with each other in almost every conversation we have had, but here, I think your posts are fantastic.
If all you people want change, go and change it yourself. And if that means doing something you do not love, so be it. Just look at history, whenever any major change happens in the world, is it because people sat back and whined about their problems? No. It was because people took action, and did what they had to do to achieve the changes they wanted. It is the same thing with Pokemon.
Now I personally love the weather style of OU, and don't want that to change. But if you really do, then go do it yourself. The things you want aren't just going to be handed to you.
If all you people want change, go and change it yourself. And if that means doing something you do not love, so be it. Just look at history, whenever any major change happens in the world, is it because people sat back and whined about their problems? No. It was because people took action, and did what they had to do to achieve the changes they wanted. It is the same thing with Pokemon.
Now I personally love the weather style of OU, and don't want that to change. But if you really do, then go do it yourself. The things you want aren't just going to be handed to you.
Wow, I sleep a little (lol) and so much moves on. I guess there's no use in arguing now, as Drizzle is still OU.
I'm really glad that all weather stays, if you haven't got the reqs to vote because of having some fun I really can't see why you wouldn't try out and enjoy all three weathers every now and then. It'll broaden your horizons - you'll realize that it isn't that easy to abuse rain (and even worse, sun). If you get beaten constantly by rain teams, don't take the opponent's merit by calling it a broken strategy.
It looks like some kind of "honor" for not using, knowing and abusing Drizzle or what you consider broken strategies yourselves - like Baton Pass teams, gay viloplumes and jerahis in RS.
For the Pokemon, I hope everything stays OU.
While I play every weather, I only ladder with Drizzle, and have been haxed and swept numerous times by Garchomp and Excadrill, but damn they're good just like that. I find hax a very valid strategy as it's not fool proof.
I abuse the fuck out of Thundurus whenever I can, but with team preview it's hard to pull off a good sweep with him so he's more of an utility attacker.
Deoxys and Latios suck balls. I run Hydreigon outside of my Drizzle team and he toasts stuff like Latios could never dream of. Ironically I'm forced to use Latios on the rain and being forced to play the "Will I Pursuit or not" game, often resulting in his death.
As one who (almost) always use Thundurus and Tornadus I'm suspect to comment on Deoxys, but I doubt it's so good to the point of brokeness.
I really should stop putting on so much effort on arguing and focus on laddering, as it was said, this isn't a democracy when it comes to tiering. I'll regret for not laddering seriously and having a say if any of the Pokemon suspects go, even the Excadrill I so much hate.
I'm really glad that all weather stays, if you haven't got the reqs to vote because of having some fun I really can't see why you wouldn't try out and enjoy all three weathers every now and then. It'll broaden your horizons - you'll realize that it isn't that easy to abuse rain (and even worse, sun). If you get beaten constantly by rain teams, don't take the opponent's merit by calling it a broken strategy.
It looks like some kind of "honor" for not using, knowing and abusing Drizzle or what you consider broken strategies yourselves - like Baton Pass teams, gay viloplumes and jerahis in RS.
For the Pokemon, I hope everything stays OU.
While I play every weather, I only ladder with Drizzle, and have been haxed and swept numerous times by Garchomp and Excadrill, but damn they're good just like that. I find hax a very valid strategy as it's not fool proof.
I abuse the fuck out of Thundurus whenever I can, but with team preview it's hard to pull off a good sweep with him so he's more of an utility attacker.
Deoxys and Latios suck balls. I run Hydreigon outside of my Drizzle team and he toasts stuff like Latios could never dream of. Ironically I'm forced to use Latios on the rain and being forced to play the "Will I Pursuit or not" game, often resulting in his death.
As one who (almost) always use Thundurus and Tornadus I'm suspect to comment on Deoxys, but I doubt it's so good to the point of brokeness.
I really should stop putting on so much effort on arguing and focus on laddering, as it was said, this isn't a democracy when it comes to tiering. I'll regret for not laddering seriously and having a say if any of the Pokemon suspects go, even the Excadrill I so much hate.
I would have probobly made the voting if the period wasn't in the middle of my examinations...
Meh, depending on the outcome of the pokemon vote, I'll either stop bothering with OU, or ladder like mad so I get my say, even if I have to be cheap and abuse broken things to do so. No two ways about it. That's the biggest hurdle other than time for me, I hate using suspects or things which are considered broken. One of the main reasons I've never used an offensive SandStorm team in Gen 5, becaue I see Excadrill and Garchomp [Under the sand], as broken.
Also, if no pokemon are banned, dosen't that end the OU testing process? [Well, aside from the finalisation of Alderon's Proposal: The testing of individual Swift Swimmers] That would be because nothing was voted broken before, so, nothing should be broken in the future, until some sort of event release happens.
Meh, depending on the outcome of the pokemon vote, I'll either stop bothering with OU, or ladder like mad so I get my say, even if I have to be cheap and abuse broken things to do so. No two ways about it. That's the biggest hurdle other than time for me, I hate using suspects or things which are considered broken. One of the main reasons I've never used an offensive SandStorm team in Gen 5, becaue I see Excadrill and Garchomp [Under the sand], as broken.
Also, if no pokemon are banned, dosen't that end the OU testing process? [Well, aside from the finalisation of Alderon's Proposal: The testing of individual Swift Swimmers] That would be because nothing was voted broken before, so, nothing should be broken in the future, until some sort of event release happens.
YES YES YES!!!
This is what people fail to understand. If people would just drop their stupid ideals of what is the right way to win, and just try to win in the best legal way, then maybe they could have their opinions counted more.
i am glad that we finally agree to something!
i didn't manage to get voting req also!and if drizzle had been banned i would have posted in the suspect testing thread that i didn't like it and that i would prefer it to stay and that's all!
this is normal and wanted..!of course we can't all have the same opinions...
but blaming the voters and telling that it is so easy to go to the top of the ladder with zero proofs,is just unacceptable!
everyone has the right and the ability to change the meta if they don't like it the way it is!but if you want to do so then you may have to use strategies that you don't like because these are the best strategies right now!!!
just use drizzle or garchomp for once to prove that they are broken so you can manage to never see them again in ou!!!if you want to achive something great you can't do it cost-free...!
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