Am i the only one who thinks terrakoin is the most ban worthy thing we have ever seen in ou? I could state a bunch of reasons why he is more dangerous then thunderous, exadrill, or even garchomp, but right now i dont have much time.
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That's all I have to say and all I need to say.
Meh, maybe not. Skymin will be Uber forever as power shifts don't effect him. If the other pokemon is slower it can hax it to death.
I'm pretty sure you are the only one. A Pokemon who has to be locked into a move or have to waste a turn for setup is the last thing we should ban.
Garchomp.
I never agreed with Garchomp's ban.
Terrakion isn't too hard to deal with. It's always OHKO'd by Choice Band Scizor's Bullet Punch and Psychic/Psyshock from Specs/LO Latios (both of which hit before Terrakion can make a move), and it's 2HKO'd by Gliscor's Earthquake and standard Ferrothorn's Gyro Ball or Power Whip (CB Ferrothorn will OHKO). Simply put, there's a lot that can switch in and deal serious damage without much fear, and although Terrakion is indeed very powerful, it in no way at all breaks the metagame.
Speed boost blaziken with Sword's Dance.
Link, proof, word of God...?
I actually argued against that.
Rock/Fighting has key weaknesses. Being weak to Psychic, Fighting, Water, Grass and Ground in today's metagame is a death sentence. Terrakion also has a massive lack of useful resistances. Good luck setting up! Terrakion is also weak to Steel, which isn't great with Jirachi, Ferrothorn and Scizor around.
Scizor's Bullet Punch OHKO's
Azumarill's Aqua Jet OHKO's
Most Mach Punches [And Vaccum Waves] OHKO.
Gliscor walls it.
Gyarados handles ones which choose to RP first with ease.
Base 108 speed, while Trollish in it's own right, is outsped by several threats, such as Tornadus and Thunderus, both of whom will have no qualms about Focus Blasting Terrakion.
91/90/90 is bulky, but when your weaknesses are everywhere and you're using Close Combat, it's not enough.
And, finally, Stone Miss is an issue.
Realisitically, if you let a Terrakion set up both Rock Polish and Swords Dance, you DESERVE to lose, becaude if you've not hit it with a Super Effective move by then, well...
Is raquaza not 1hko'd by cb mamosines ice shard? Is zekrom not 1hkod and outspead by latias? Does gliscor not do a number on blazekin? I think you get my point. Terrakoin can 1 or 2hko all of those you mentioned. Scizor also doesnt resist either stab so its not a reliable counter.
Oh fuck me.
Also, yes. Terrakion is so fucking broken. It has the same attack stat as garchomp, great bulk to take hits, gets a special defense boost in sand, outspeeds the enitre metagame after a rock polish, OHKOes the entire metagame after a swords dance with nothing but it's two STAB moves and can run all four on the same set! Why is it still OU?
No pokemon has the same combination of bulk and power with rock STAB and two boosting moves. It's so clearly uber.
Because the suspect testing overrides theorymon, and the testing's shown that Terrakion isn't worth nominating.
I mean, as you kind of demonstrate here, theorymon is kinda crap in general, which is why no one's voting Terrakion Uber and why no one's wanting Shaymin-S back into OU regardless of how well it can be theorymon-ed.
How the hell are you comparing poor team building to luck ?
Evasion is luck based.Being weak to a threat in the metagame is not,it's poor planning.
Yes there is a fair amount of luck in Pokemon.However we try to make it competitively balanced as much as we can.Evasion shits on that and turns it into a pure luck thing as opposed to a skill thing.
All your post demonstrated was that if you're playing a dipshit who won't go for only one Flinchhax and then the guaranteed one-shot with Seed Flare, you still have a one in four chance of losing purely because of hax! One. in. four. That's just inexcusable.
EDIT: one in THREE!
And if your team is weak to Double Team in a theoretical no-evasion-clause-metagame, that's also poor planning. Considering that's it's statistically inferior to Cosmic Power at reducing damage, a well-planned team shouldn't be brought to its knees by a bit of evasion.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Air_Slash#Generation_V
EDIT: a good meta should not be based on who gets luckier. Evasion is banned and it should stay that way.
Gliscor
Just because it is powerful and unique doesn't mean it is uber. Wanna ban Crustle? It has ShellSmash, EdgeQuake, AND gets a free focus sash with Sturdy!!!
While Terrakion is definetally a dangerous threat i don't see it being broken right now, sweeping sets need quite a bit of support to take out priority users and getting a free turn to set-up since he really lacks resistances (Anyone tried him with Wobbuffet support? they seem to fit pretty well together).
CB and CS sets need no set-up turn but a lot of pokemon resist one of its stab so theyrequire quite a bit of prediction (on both sides, but they are not that hard to play around).
@Moo Gliscor needs to be in top shape to be able to take a +2 LO Stone Edge iirc it comes pretty close to an OHKO with SR.
CB and CS sets need no set-up turn but a lot of pokemon resist one of its stab so theyrequire quite a bit of prediction (on both sides, but they are not that hard to play around).
@Moo Gliscor needs to be in top shape to be able to take a +2 LO Stone Edge iirc it comes pretty close to an OHKO with SR.
That was edited in by some random guy 2 days ago with no explanation whatsoever >_>
Absolute statements like that are useless and ignore what really happens in Pokémon. Quite a few Pokémon have been banned for Choice sets or setup sweeper sets or both. Darkrai and Manaphy are the prime examples in this generation and tier alone. In other places you have Choice Specs Latios in Gen 4, Staraptor (if it gets banned) in Gen 5 UU, and Cresselia in Gen 4 UU. If Excadrill had better coverage moves, then I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be around today, either.
+2 does just over half. Btw what ever happened to skill? Something isn't broken just because you can't wall it with one Pokemon in any condition any time ever. Some things need to be played around, revenged, checked, etc. I wasn't directing that at you burning man, just a general comment.
The only way to not be weak to Double Team is to run Aura Sphere / Aerial Ace or a Pokemon with No Guard.
That's TWO moves and a grand total of THREE Pokemon that are viable.
Of course there are other moves ( Swift , Shadow Punch etc . come to mind ) but they aren't very good.
Being prepared for Rotom-W does not require you to run something that specific.
A well planned team will be brought to its knees if they can't touch the other team due to missing all their moves.
73.4% - 86.4% Terrakions 252 Atk Jolly LO Stone Edge vs Gliscor 252/252 + nature gliscor.
A little less than i thought, but clearly more than just over half.
Still you're right skill and prediction are your best friends against terrakion, but people keep thinking everything needs like 20 surefire counters or otherwise something is broken (or overcentralizing lol).
Uh, what?
You don't have to NEGATE Evasion to beat it. You can
1. Start setting up yourself. Just set up a one or two Sword Dances, and you'll be able to OHKO them (and their whole freaking team) before they can finish setting up enough DTs to be a problem. Calm Minds and w/e work too, because numerically, Double Team is the worst set-up move numerically.
2. Taunt, Whirlwind, etc. Unless you let them set up to 6+ Evasion already, these are going to hit within 1-2 turns.
3. Just attack. As long as you can like, 2HKO it, you're actually going to win just attacking it.
I mean, really, IMO, Double Team is just like BrightPowder; we can ban them on principle, but in reality, no one used them when they were allowed anyway because they SUCKED (and yes, there was a period in the beginning of Gen V where Evasion Clause hadn't been implemented yet)
Not saying it's true, just that that's where he got his information!
although 37% sure sounds like a random number to pull out of your ass.
EDIT: That's not true, XienZo. I once beat a Skarm (Skarm!) with a Chomp. Why? Because whirlwind missed four times in a row and I was able to get some parahax set by my ferrothorn to kick in the one time he tried to roost. And that was with Sand Veil, the equivalent of one evasion boost. IMO, the less bs hax in this meta, the better.
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