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Breloom
- Thread starter Manaphy
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Sand teams can pack lati@s, which loom has trouble with, as well as reuniclus. And it's definately not out of the question for gengars, bulky jirachis, and other problematic pokes for loom to be on ss teams.
A lot of good players, seeing loom on a team, will keep a poke alive that's hp is in the red, just to switch it in to absorb the sleep, since it's dead weight now anyway. A lot of the time after seeing a team with loom on it, I immediately size up my own team, and the least valuable poke for that particular match. He's my fodder, if I need it.
Point is, you should always look before you leap. Sub first kids.
A lot of good players, seeing loom on a team, will keep a poke alive that's hp is in the red, just to switch it in to absorb the sleep, since it's dead weight now anyway. A lot of the time after seeing a team with loom on it, I immediately size up my own team, and the least valuable poke for that particular match. He's my fodder, if I need it.
Point is, you should always look before you leap. Sub first kids.
See, i said sub most of the time. Still, there are times when it's not prudent to. Especially if breloom is leading, since no one can have low hp then, and you can't sacrifice a pokemon because it beat the pokemon it was supposed to counter.Also, if you lead against a cloyster, and you sub, it can icicle spear you to death.
And i know they can, but that doesn't mean they will. I've seen many teams that didn't carry any of those.
EDIT
I was laddering, and he brought in a breloom on my jellicent. I taunted as he subbed. Boom. And since he lacked seed bomb for leech seed, i forced him out.
And i know they can, but that doesn't mean they will. I've seen many teams that didn't carry any of those.
EDIT
I was laddering, and he brought in a breloom on my jellicent. I taunted as he subbed. Boom. And since he lacked seed bomb for leech seed, i forced him out.
Ah, I thought your argument was to use spore before subbing. There are, of course, some pokes that you shouldn't sub on, or should just straight up attack. A lot of it comes down to prediction. But if you are predicting a switch, sub first.
I simply use a Breloom for brute force, as it's ended up as one of the sweeper elements on my own test teams.
EV's: 6 HP, 252 Attack, and 252 Speed. I always run it with an Adamant Nature, because usually Breloom hits only once...And I want once to be enough in as many cases as possible.
I like to run it with Poison Heal, give it a Toxic Orb, and that eliminates status problems other than attraction and confusion.
I use Facade because of its 140 power, due to its poison.
Seed Bomb makes an epic STAB move, and gets the job done, on many pokemon, especially on many with Sandstorm teams, with the Rock and Ground elements.
Sky Uppercut, while not quite as powerful, still deals a good blow because it's a good STAB move. Breloom hits hard with Rock and Steel types that try to wall it.
For Fire and Flying types, Stone Edge usually knocks them down a notch or two...Even if he doesn't score a critical hit on them.
I usually sub out Breloom with a Spiritomb, or another good pokemon, as soon as a Psychic, or a really fast Flying-type comes out to play.
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Counters: Ground/Fire, or Ground/Flying types, and most provided it's faster. Stone Edge isn't SE, and Sky Uppercut simply doesn't do it. Seed Bomb also hits neutral, like Stone Edge, so if I have no other choice, I simply spam with that...Or Facade, if that proves to be more effective.
As I mentioned, Psychic types usually make it run like the wind, and many good Flying types also outspeed it.
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Backup for counters: As I mentioned, Spiritomb makes an excellent sub for the Psychic types, as it is both Ghost and Dark type, making it have absolutely no type weaknesses. A Taunt usually stops many walls in their tracks, if a wall is what I switch into. Shadow Ball and Dark Pulse usually end most Psychic types rather effectively, with two, possibly three hits. Destiny Bond is for desperation measures, if I know that it's toast...
Weavile, with Ice Punch and Night Slash usually also deals with most counters to Breloom, but is rather weak, and is really only used for both speed and brute force, like Breloom. I would only sub Weavile into a wall, to sweep it as fast as possible.
EV's: 6 HP, 252 Attack, and 252 Speed. I always run it with an Adamant Nature, because usually Breloom hits only once...And I want once to be enough in as many cases as possible.
I like to run it with Poison Heal, give it a Toxic Orb, and that eliminates status problems other than attraction and confusion.
I use Facade because of its 140 power, due to its poison.
Seed Bomb makes an epic STAB move, and gets the job done, on many pokemon, especially on many with Sandstorm teams, with the Rock and Ground elements.
Sky Uppercut, while not quite as powerful, still deals a good blow because it's a good STAB move. Breloom hits hard with Rock and Steel types that try to wall it.
For Fire and Flying types, Stone Edge usually knocks them down a notch or two...Even if he doesn't score a critical hit on them.
I usually sub out Breloom with a Spiritomb, or another good pokemon, as soon as a Psychic, or a really fast Flying-type comes out to play.
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Counters: Ground/Fire, or Ground/Flying types, and most provided it's faster. Stone Edge isn't SE, and Sky Uppercut simply doesn't do it. Seed Bomb also hits neutral, like Stone Edge, so if I have no other choice, I simply spam with that...Or Facade, if that proves to be more effective.
As I mentioned, Psychic types usually make it run like the wind, and many good Flying types also outspeed it.
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Backup for counters: As I mentioned, Spiritomb makes an excellent sub for the Psychic types, as it is both Ghost and Dark type, making it have absolutely no type weaknesses. A Taunt usually stops many walls in their tracks, if a wall is what I switch into. Shadow Ball and Dark Pulse usually end most Psychic types rather effectively, with two, possibly three hits. Destiny Bond is for desperation measures, if I know that it's toast...
Weavile, with Ice Punch and Night Slash usually also deals with most counters to Breloom, but is rather weak, and is really only used for both speed and brute force, like Breloom. I would only sub Weavile into a wall, to sweep it as fast as possible.
Breloom does have the firepower, but it doesn't have the speed to sweep teams. Rather than going for a mediocre fighting monster, I'd go for a more utility-mon that packs a punch. You really can't lose out on Spore, especially with the new buff on sleep mechanic.
Spore | Seed Bomb | Stone-Edge / Facade | Mach Punch / Focus Punch / Superpower seems more useful to me while still packing a punch.
If you just want all brute force use Terrakion, not Breloom.
Spore | Seed Bomb | Stone-Edge / Facade | Mach Punch / Focus Punch / Superpower seems more useful to me while still packing a punch.
If you just want all brute force use Terrakion, not Breloom.
Seed Bomb got 80 BP so with stab its 120 BP
Facade got 140 BP if statused .
Its slightly better against Gliscor and hits other flying Pokemon pretty hard too, i don`t think its worth it though, because the grass type stab helps it alot against bulky waters.
Not all that well, to be honest. Trying to take out Gliscor with a Physical attack (especially a non-Banded/Orbed one) is an exercise in futility, even with Breloom's massive Attack and Facade's Power.
The biggest problem with running it in my opinion is that it leaves you completely unable to do anything at all to Ghosts (assuming that you are running Focus Punch as your other attack). Of course, this mostly matters for Jellicent, but Jellicent isn't exactly something you really want to get hard countered by. If you don't mind being instantly forced out by Ghosts (and losing your win button against bulky Waters), though, Facade does provide good neutral coverage when paired with Fighting.
As an aside, I did have good results from a Facade Breloom in Platinum's Battle Tower. Max Speed + Spore/Sub/Facade/Protect actually makes a surprisingly good lead that can scout movesets and sweep (Battle Tower) teams.
Mach Punch has much better typing than Bullet Punch, and other than that, it's literally the same exact move with the same base-power, coming off of the same base Attack. And, Breloom gets Spore and Bullet Seed.
Scizor is definitely one of the best Pokés in OU, but Breloom isn't far behind now that it received Technician.
I believe that PkMARIO was merely pointing out that Breloom does fine in the DW tier even though Gliscor is a counter there, too. It is a somewhat flawed argument (since Technician Bullet Seed is far more threatening against Gliscor than Seed Bomb), but it is still worth remembering that the existence of counters does not equate to non-viability.
And there's nothing wrong with discussing what impact Techniloom will have when released officially. Considering that ST Chandelure has a very real chance of getting itself banned (and there's no guarantee how/when/if the Gen 5 DW abilities will be released), there is a very real chance that Chandelure might not be an omnipresent threat the whole time that Techniloom is available.
I honestly don't worry about Gliscor too much. While it does more or less hard-counter Breloom, it is much less threatening if it isn't poisoned yet (since most people won't risk switching into a Spore). Gliscor switching into Breloom is also one of the most predictable moves in the game, so unless they try to outpredict you, you can double-switch yourself into a favorable position.
in dream world, whether it's an official tier or not, breloom is force to reckon with. yes shadow tag chandelure is great but that doesn't stop people from using technician breloom. hell, genosect i used like a motherfucker even if it can get raped by chandel
Gliscors don't fear breloom if its already poisoned, the best way to do that it to lead with Gliscor and protect if you see one on a team.
I always found this set to work: earthquake / taunt / ice fang / protect. Toxic is meh, and I never had a use swords dance on Gliscor.
Techniloom's biggest problems are lack of moveslots and ST chandelure, hp ice helps with neither.
Rock tomb would be nice but it's got the same accuracy and less power.The speed drop is nice, but it's really kind of a crapshoot hitting twice with it, and a scarf chandelure will still outspeed and murder you.
Rock tomb would be nice but it's got the same accuracy and less power.The speed drop is nice, but it's really kind of a crapshoot hitting twice with it, and a scarf chandelure will still outspeed and murder you.
if/when TechniLoom becomes legal, what effect do you think it will have on the metagame? Even more Gliscor than we see now, lol