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Hippo

This team will be for DS to play over wifi, so HP cannot be done really.

Gengar w/ Black Sludge (Does it heal more than lefties?)
'Levitate' : Immune to (Ground) attacks.
<Timid : -Att / +Spd>
EVs: 56 HP / 202 Spec attack / 252 Speed
IVs: 31 Hp / 31 Spec Attack / 31 Speed
* Shadow Ball
* Energy Ball
* Thunder Bolt
* Hypnosis

Dosiadon (Rhyperior is soo lame) w/ Choice Band
'Solid Rock' : Lowers super effective damage.
<Adamant : -Sp Att, + Att>
EVs: 252 Attack / 200 Spec Def / 52 Speed
IVs: 31 Hp / 31 Attack / 31 Speed
* Megahorn
* Earthquake
* Stone Edge
* Snow Slide

Physical Sweeper with CB. I'll stick with SnowSlide for more ice-ness, and without speed passes, he'll be ok with it I hope.


Togekiss w/ Leftovers
'Serene Grace' : Doubles Extra Effects.
<Modest : -Att, +Sp Att>
EVs: 108 Hp/252 Spec Attack/44 def/104 speed
IVs: 31 Hp/31 Spec attack/31 speed
* Scheme
* Air Slash (60% Flinch? =D)
* Pulse Bomb
* Thunderwave

Big Focus of the team + Special Sweeper. Thunderwave is in for the flinchhax, and helps Rhyperior.


Dragonite w/ Leftovers/Life Orb
'Inner Focus' : Prevents Flinching
<Adamant : -Spec Attack, +Atk>
EVs: 56 Hp / 252 Attack / 16 Def / 184 Spd (Lol, Def EVs stop a Ice Pebble from killing me)
IVs: 31 Hp / 31 Atk / 31 Spd
* Dragon Dance
* Earthquake
* Dragon Claw / Outrage? (If I keep him)
* Thunder

Yay, Dragonite! Dragon Claw is physical now, so DD can really do him some good. EQ for more type coverage + steels, and FB for Skarm/Pesky Ices that would take more damage from a crappy fire attack.
Thunder should 2HKO Skarm, OHKO just can't happen with what I want him for. I guess Salamence is better, but I kinda like Dragonite. I suppose I could switch Dragon Claw out for Outrage. Any suggestions or that? Or a different poke altogether? (I'm kinda getting an ice weakness)


Blissey w/ Leftovers
'Natural Cure' : Heals status upon switching out.
<Bold : -Att, +Def>
EVs: 212 Hp/252 Def/44 Spec attack
IVs: 31 Hp/31Def/31 Spec Def
* Soft boiled
* Aromatherapy
* Seismic Toss
* Ice beam

Yeah... Blissey. Seismic Toss to stop Raikou, thanks to AragornBird

Magnezone w/ Leftovers
'Magnet Pull' : Steel Types cannot switch out.
<Modest : -Att, + Sp Att>
EVs: 80 Hp/252 Sp Attack/70 Defense/108 Spec def (maybe?)
IVs: 31 Hp/31 Spec Attack/ 31 Def
* Electrolevitate
* Thunderbolt
* Thunder Wave
* Toxic

Eh, yeah. I don't really like him that much, anything I'd be better off with?

Thanks a bunch!
~Hip

Threat List

Tyranitar: Energy Ball from Gengar, Togekiss Pulse bomb, Rhyperior Megahorn, Hes bad for my team.
Gyarados: Magnezone, Tbolt Gengar, Thunder on DDnite if I keep him, Another yucky one
Infernape: Air Slash from Togekiss, Earthquake from Dosiadon
Azelf: I don't plan on battling against legendaries, or I would use some myself. Megahorn Rhyhyp maybe.
Rhyperior: Dang, my guy. Energy Ball from Gengar who can switch in on EQ and such.
Electivire: Rhyperior
Heracross: Togekiss

Salamence: Dragonite, Bliss if need be, Rhyperior with Snow Slide
Togekiss: Dragonite, Bliss if need be kinda, Megnazone
Gengar: My Gengar really
Garchomp: Dragonite, Rhype snow slide, Bliss ice beam if needed
Raikou: Don't plan on Legendaries, but Rhyp or Bliss
Lucario: Ugh, kinda tough. Rhyp maybe, not sure.
Rampardos: Gengar Energy Ball
Tauros: Togekiss Pulse Bomb, another tough one kinda.
Starmie: Gengar T-bolt, Dragonite Thunder if needed
Weavile: Togekiss Pulse bomb if I can get in ok, another tough guy :(
Dugtrio: Gengar
Alakazam: Rhyp with Megahorn or pure physical, Dragonite Pyhsical
PorygonZ: Togekiss Pulse Bomb
Medicham: Togekiss, Rhyperior
Staraptor: Gengar T-bolt
Slowbro: Gengar T-Bolt/Energy Ball
Jolteon: Ryhp
Aerodactyl: Snow Slide/Icebeam from Rhyp/Bliss
Snorlax: Pulse Bomb
Zapdos:Don't plan on Legendary, but Rhyperior Stone Edge
Blissey: Rhyp pure power, Dragonite
Suicune: Legendary again, but Gengar
Sceptile: Togekiss
Slaking: Togekiss pulse bomb
Ninjask: Gengar T-bolt
Metagross: Rhyperior Earthquake
Celebi: Legendary deal, Rhyperior megahorn
Jirachi: Same as above
Manaphy: Same, T-Bolt

I guess I need some better Ice/Fighting, maybe some Dark.

I want a stat upper poke, but not garchomp. Any ideas?
 
Dragonite's way to distinguish himself from Salamence is Outrage, Focus Punch or one of these Boltbeaming moves. Salamence just plain does this Dragon Dancing set better thanks to Intimidate and higher base Speed and whatnot. It gives you more Heracross coverage as well which is always nice.

Luster Cannon on the Magnezone is pretty iffy, I would always use Substitute or Toxic there. Yes, both Toxic and Thunder Wave isn't such a bad idea. If Swampert or Gachomp see Thunder Wave they might think they're in the money, and they won't enjoy Toxic. Aromatherapy Blissey on the opposing side may nullify that though. You may want to use Protect for scouting purposes and Leftovers and whatnot.

I'd rather lead with Gengar than Weavile. Pursuiting Pokemon shouldn't really be in the frontlines, but Gengar statusing something right off the bat is pretty cool. Not too sure on double-status Gengar on a team with Thunder Wave and potentially Toxic as well.

Anyway, this team doesn't really follow the rules in the announcement by Jumpman. You need a threat analysis in your RMT first to stop these Infernape-6-0-s-you replies that will pop up. Please read and edit in accordingly. I'm not going to lock this for now because I'm feeling nice. Sort of.
 
As mekkah said there really in no point using DDNite unless your gonna abuse outrage. Also gyrados rips this team apart.
 
Mekkah said:
Dragonite's way to distinguish himself from Salamence is Outrage, Focus Punch or one of these Boltbeaming moves. Salamence just plain does this Dragon Dancing set better thanks to Intimidate and higher base Speed and whatnot. It gives you more Heracross coverage as well which is always nice.

Luster Cannon on the Magnezone is pretty iffy, I would always use Substitute or Toxic there. Yes, both Toxic and Thunder Wave isn't such a bad idea. If Swampert or Gachomp see Thunder Wave they might think they're in the money, and they won't enjoy Toxic. Aromatherapy Blissey on the opposing side may nullify that though. You may want to use Protect for scouting purposes and Leftovers and whatnot.

I'd rather lead with Gengar than Weavile. Pursuiting Pokemon shouldn't really be in the frontlines, but Gengar statusing something right off the bat is pretty cool. Not too sure on double-status Gengar on a team with Thunder Wave and potentially Toxic as well.

Anyway, this team doesn't really follow the rules in the announcement by Jumpman. You need a threat analysis in your RMT first to stop these Infernape-6-0-s-you replies that will pop up. Please read and edit in accordingly. I'm not going to lock this for now because I'm feeling nice. Sort of.
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Whoops, didn't know I needed the threat thing. Added that. Thanks for leaving it open. I think I'll lead with Gengar (He counters a lot of threats I found out =P) and instead of WoW, I'll go with T-bolt to cover Gyra, hopefully they'll think its double status version and send Gyra =D

latinoheat said:
As mekkah said there really in no point using DDNite unless your gonna abuse outrage. Also gyrados rips this team apart.
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Put Thunder on Dragonite (for now) and Tbolt on Gengar, will that help him?

I'm not sure on Dragonite/Salamence... I really like Dragonite... more than Salamence, so I'd prefer to use him for that. I don't know, maybe DDnite with Outrage, DD, EQ, and Thunder?

My team is kinda weak to Ice, is that a big problem here?
And Magnezone seems kinda like the weak link, anything I can replace him with?

Thanks for the help!
 
You can't just mark things off your threat list because they're legendaries, because legendaries are perfectly acceptable under standard rules; there is a difference between "legendary" and "uber". Much of your threat list is filled with Pokemon that can damage the threats, but can't switch in safely. For example, you say that Togekiss counters Tauros with Pulse Bomb, but there is no way that Togekiss will switch into Tauros safely and you will have to sacrifice a Pokemon to scare it off only to have it come in later and wreak even more havoc. Toxic isn't too great of a choice on Magnezone; consider HP Ice instead.
 
Great Sage said:
You can't just mark things off your threat list because they're legendaries, because legendaries are perfectly acceptable under standard rules; there is a difference between "legendary" and "uber". Much of your threat list is filled with Pokemon that can damage the threats, but can't switch in safely. For example, you say that Togekiss counters Tauros with Pulse Bomb, but there is no way that Togekiss will switch into Tauros safely and you will have to sacrifice a Pokemon to scare it off only to have it come in later and wreak even more havoc. Toxic isn't too great of a choice on Magnezone; consider HP Ice instead.
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I plan on finding people who aren't using legendary pokes, just like me. It would be kinda silly to fight a team full of them, while I'm choosing to run none. I could add them, but I'd rather not, they're just too good compared to some normal pokes.

What would be some good counters from the pokes on the list then? I know it would be hard to get a switch in, but if i could, then Togekiss would be the go to man. Though I'd say tauros aren't too common, there are others I'd have trouble switching into. Any ways to fix that at all?

HP Ice isn't an option. Its a team I'm making in game to play with over WiFi.
 
Probably because like most people he doesnt have a shark and is too lazy to breed.

About the team! Firstly you should definitely run Gengar and not Weavile, as you have kinda severe issues with Fighting types. It also helps with Tauros, but you have Rhyperior so its not like Tauros is really gonna be a huge issue.

You might need to give your Gengar Adherance scarf to stop Gyarados, as it will OHKO with waterfall after a DD. I also dont really see the purpose of Energy ball, I'd rather run HP fighting or focus bomb.. Or even WoW in that moveslot.

I doubt you are gonna be able to stop Garchomp too effectively with a pokemon that is weak to ground, even if it is only 1 1/3. I am pretty confident that after a Swords dance a life orb Garchomp will OHKO you. If you could WoW it with Gengar that could help, but a subbing version would still be a huge problem for you.

Otherwise it all looks pretty good tbh.

You're welcome!
~Hip
 
Hipno said:
Probably because like most people he doesnt have a shark and is too lazy to breed.

About the team! Firstly you should definitely run Gengar and not Weavile, as you have kinda severe issues with Fighting types. It also helps with Tauros, but you have Rhyperior so its not like Tauros is really gonna be a huge issue.

You might need to give your Gengar Adherance scarf to stop Gyarados, as it will OHKO with waterfall after a DD. I also dont really see the purpose of Energy ball, I'd rather run HP fighting or focus bomb.. Or even WoW in that moveslot.

I doubt you are gonna be able to stop Garchomp too effectively with a pokemon that is weak to ground, even if it is only 1 1/3. I am pretty confident that after a Swords dance a life orb Garchomp will OHKO you. If you could WoW it with Gengar that could help, but a subbing version would still be a huge problem for you.

Otherwise it all looks pretty good tbh.

You're welcome!
~Hip
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Pretty much... I'm breeding for 3 perfect IVs, I cba to breed that last step so many times to get a good HP.

Gengar is in then. Energy ball is in for a little more coverage, as he can do some rock/grounds, while I have no water attack ( :( ). I can definitely replace it with something, but I can't do HP fighting... =P I doubt i'll be that lucky. I had WoW in, but as my main focus is to paralyze then go for the flimchhax, I took that out so I would be able to paralyze. Maybe Dark Pulse? That might give a little bit of help, maybe.
Ugh, I guess Megna can't handle Gyra after a DD because he'd have EQ. I kinda liked black sludge though, the 1/8 recov (it is 1/8, right?) was pretty sweet. Is there anyone I can sack Megnazone for? He just doesn't seem that good, IMO.

I'll try to get the Garchomp with Dragonite or Bliss then, preferably I won't have to use Bliss though. Dragonite should be able to hit a decent enough Dragon Claw, if I keep that in.

Speaking of Dragonite, should I keep him?
I suppose Salamence does it better, but I like Dragonite more. He also has some defense (I'm kind of a defensive kind of person, i'd love a great tank, take damage, then blast back.) but I can sack Dragonite. I guess I'd like a physical guy who can stat up, just so if I have a chance to set up, I can take it and hopefully sweep. Are there any other physical pokes that have a good stat upper? There SD, but I liked how DD did speed too, so I could go first and bust out some pwn if I could set up. Any other options for this?

I'd probably pull Dosiadon out for the Entai and just EQ it.

I like thunder on Dragonite, it helps with bulky waters, skarm, and other flying/water crap. I might put outrage over dragon claw though, if I even keep Dragonite. Should I?

So to sum it up... Keep Dragonite or not?
And keep Megnazone or not? He just doesn't seem that great.
 
Hippo said:
Dosiadon (Rhyperior is soo lame) w/ Choice Band
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I think that "Dosiadon" is lamer than Rhyperior... lol.

And you might try to put a effort in getting the correct HP because Toxic Magnezone is lol... And CBTar Crunches and Punches this team into oblivion. Pulse Bomb Togekiss is a revenge killer, not a counter, and Tyranitar can just switch out predicting it.

Careful with Gyarados also, its a b%&ch.
 
I don't like Choice Scarf Gengar to be honest... it's probably gonna be predictable as hell, and people will just get free switch-ins to Sleep Talk Heracross, which will instantly rape the team. Also, Gengar is stuck with using Hypnosis and must switch.
 
people will just get free switch-ins to Sleep Talk Heracross
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Choice item + Sleep Talk = doesn't work very well. It does work, but only once per switch in
 
I kinda think AScarf Gengar is crap on something so fast,yeah it gives you an even faster sleep move and gives you more assurance against weavile but at the cost of limiting one of the absolute best movepools in the game.
 
Gengar will never have choice scarf. Esp if he has hypnosis, because then i'd just have to switch, and I just don't like that idea.

Any ideas for a pokemon that can stat-up?
I really wanted one on my team, so that if the opportunity arose, I could stat up and sweep or whatever. DD seemed cool because it did Attack + Speed, so I could get the first move and crush them. Any other ideas on a Stat-Upper? It doesn't have to be Dragon, and not Garchomp. I hate him, so I won't use him.

Also, what could I stick in (or switch in for Megnazone) for TTar/Gyara?
Megna just seems to suck too much, and those guys both crush me.
 
I don't think Chomp learns DD. Umm. Feraligatr learns DD. Rhperior might be able to take on Electrivire, but HP Grass might be hard to get around(You will see it on WiFi, according to Smogoners currently on Wifi)

Donphan, Starmie, Fortresses, Claydol, you need a spinner to run Life Orb DDnite, 25% dmg from SR is going to limit your ability to sweep.
 
CoolTrainer20 said:
I don't think Chomp learns DD. Umm. Feraligatr learns DD. Rhperior might be able to take on Electrivire, but HP Grass might be hard to get around(You will see it on WiFi, according to Smogoners currently on Wifi)

Donphan, Starmie, Fortresses, Claydol, you need a spinner to run Life Orb DDnite, 25% dmg from SR is going to limit your ability to sweep.
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Chomp gets Swords Dance, but I don't want to use him. It doesn't have to be DD, any good stat-upper is good with me.
Yeah, I really wanted a Spinner/Spiker/Rocker, (Spinner + rock, probably) but I didn't know what would be best to work into my team. Can any of those guys effectively counter my TTar Weak/Gyara weak, while still Spinning + Rock/Spiking?
I'm sure there will be HP Grass, but it won't be as common as it would be on NB/Competitor.

Any ideas on changes to pokes? I don't mind changing members of the team, really. I just kinda like Togekiss as my special sweeper, and Rhyperior is cool, but I can definitely make changes.

Thanks!
 
You've got a big Fighting weakness as well as the Ice Weakness you mentioned, but since Rhyperior can stand up to a physical Fighting attack and Blissey can stand up to a special Fighting attack, maybe it's not so bad.

I'd get rid of one of your Ice-weak Pokémon, though. If you're looking to replace Dragonite, Forretress seems like it fits the best with your criteria. It learns Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin, so you've got your pick there. Give it a Speed-lowering item and Gyro Ball and you've got some decent (but not superb) damage against a Dragon-Dancing Tyranitar. As for the Gyarados, Forretress doesn't learn Stone Edge, but it does learn Rock Slide. I guess it doesn't learn any good stat-uppers, but you couldn't have Rapid Spin, a kind of Spikes, a stat-upper and two good attacks on one Pokémon anyway.

As for Magnezone, I like it. If you decide to keep it, slap Flash Cannon on it instead of Toxic. If you can get it out against something that can't hurt it and then use Magnet Rise during your opponent's switch to an Earthquake-user, you've got some pretty good staying power.
 
Forry is slow enough already (76 with a -Speed nature and a 0 IV) and he really needs Leftovers as it's his only form of recovery outside of the suicidal Rest.

Give Forry Zap Cannon if you're going to try and take Gyarados on. His Special Attack may be crappy, but 120 BP when 4x effective does plenty of damage still and paralysis destroys Gyarados' chances of sweeping. Don't let the accuracy put you off, it only needs to hit twice and is a far better option for combating Gyarados than Rock Slide is. With a neutral nature and 0 Special Attack EVs, Zap Cannon does 59 - 70% to a max HP Gyarados.
 
Mmm, I like the sound of that. Zap Cannon is seconded! As for whether Forretress is slow enough, it really depends on what you're hitting with Gyro Ball. Tyranitar isn't fast either, and every Dragon Dance raises its attack as well as the damage it takes from your attack. I think I'd give up recovery in order to double the power of my main, STABed attack.
 
Yes, Zap Cannon is definitely a good choice, as you can smack Gengars and stuff that think that Forretress is a free switchin. Paralysis always helps... Be careful about Ground types, though.
 
Footnote said:
You've got a big Fighting weakness as well as the Ice Weakness you mentioned, but since Rhyperior can stand up to a physical Fighting attack and Blissey can stand up to a special Fighting attack, maybe it's not so bad.

I'd get rid of one of your Ice-weak Pokémon, though. If you're looking to replace Dragonite, Forretress seems like it fits the best with your criteria. It learns Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin, so you've got your pick there. Give it a Speed-lowering item and Gyro Ball and you've got some decent (but not superb) damage against a Dragon-Dancing Tyranitar. As for the Gyarados, Forretress doesn't learn Stone Edge, but it does learn Rock Slide. I guess it doesn't learn any good stat-uppers, but you couldn't have Rapid Spin, a kind of Spikes, a stat-upper and two good attacks on one Pokémon anyway.

As for Magnezone, I like it. If you decide to keep it, slap Flash Cannon on it instead of Toxic. If you can get it out against something that can't hurt it and then use Magnet Rise during your opponent's switch to an Earthquake-user, you've got some pretty good staying power.
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I actually just kinda came up with a Megna replacment, Tangrowth.
Tangrowth w/ Leftovers
'Chlorophil' : Doubles speed in sunlight
<Impish : -Sp Att, + Def)
EVs: To be determinded. I saw a set I think I might steal...
IVs: 31 Hp / 31 Atk / 31 Def
-Stun Spore (It Paralyzes stuff that t-wave doesn't, so i can continue the flinch hax)
-Power Whip
-Earthquake
-Leech Seed?
I'm not too sure on the fourth move really, but I really like him. He can counter Gyara/TTar, they can't really get all that great of a hit on him, and his Def really helps out. He also Paralyzes crap, and he has some staying power with seed + leftovers.
Hows that guy look?
Oh shoot, hes weak to ice... But that makes 3... Eh, I don't know.
Phuquoph said:
Forry is slow enough already (76 with a -Speed nature and a 0 IV) and he really needs Leftovers as it's his only form of recovery outside of the suicidal Rest.

Give Forry Zap Cannon if you're going to try and take Gyarados on. His Special Attack may be crappy, but 120 BP when 4x effective does plenty of damage still and paralysis destroys Gyarados' chances of sweeping. Don't let the accuracy put you off, it only needs to hit twice and is a far better option for combating Gyarados than Rock Slide is. With a neutral nature and 0 Special Attack EVs, Zap Cannon does 59 - 70% to a max HP Gyarados.
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Hm... I'm not too sure about Forry now. He is just what I wanted (Rocker/Spinner) but I don't know if I want to use my last spot on him. He would be a great utility, and Zap C can really put the hurt on Gyara.
I might do him, he really just helps me out, but I'd like to have another attacker, preferably a stat upper, so I can maybe sweep late game and such. I'm not too sure about making him a big attacker.
 
Well, I guess you could replace Dragonite with Tangrowth and Magnezone with Forretress. You still have three Pokémon weak to Ice on the team, though. You could replace either Rhyperior or Togekiss with a stat-upper. Feraligatr's the new kid on the Dragon Dance block. You could have

Waterfall
Ice Punch/Earthquake/Crunch/Superpower/etc.
Ice Punch/Earthquake/Crunch/Superpower/etc.
Dragon Dance

or somthing like that.

Personally, I'm really glad that they gave the 2nd gen starters new moves. Now they're all useful. Typhlosion is fast and gets Eruption. Meganium gets Aromatherapy. These three used to be the worst starters, hands down.
 
Footnote said:
Well, I guess you could replace Dragonite with Tangrowth and Magnezone with Forretress. You still have three Pokémon weak to Ice on the team, though. You could replace either Rhyperior or Togekiss with a stat-upper. Feraligatr's the new kid on the Dragon Dance block. You could have

Waterfall
Ice Punch/Earthquake/Crunch/Superpower/etc.
Ice Punch/Earthquake/Crunch/Superpower/etc.
Dragon Dance

or somthing like that.

Personally, I'm really glad that they gave the 2nd gen starters new moves. Now they're all useful. Typhlosion is fast and gets Eruption. Meganium gets Aromatherapy. These three used to be the worst starters, hands down.
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Eh, I really don't want to sack Togekiss (hes the big focus of the team, and the reason for all the paralyze + Tangrowth) and Rhyperior is just too cool, I really like him. I suppose I can change Tangrowth, or Bliss, but Bliss is kinda important, helps with special crap and heals the team's status conditions. I suppose Tangrowth can go... or would he be more helpful with spreading paralyze to ground and stuff which I can't paralyze. He also counters Electivire kinda well, with the EQ and Stun Spore, depending on what electrivire is packing and what he comes in on.
Gah, i need like 7 pokes on my team.
If i can find a good stat upper that fits in my team, i'll switch him in for Tangrowth/Foretress. Which would be better to switch out?

Yeah... second gen got a little boost, but they're still pretty hard to get, having to complete the R/S/E pokedex. But wifi trading helps it out.
 
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