It's going to need either Shed Shell or Earthquake for Magnezone though. In fact Magnezone+Salamence is a very potent combination: Magnezone removes any steel types so that Salamence can then hit anything it wants, unresisted, with Draco Meteor.
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Salamence - The Metagame Menace
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Probably the same ones as last generation. CBers using Fighting/Bug/Ground attacks (like Heracross) and predicting non-offensive moves from slower stuff (like Skarm using Spikes).
This is probably viable. He would have to rely on Wish support or Rest anyways for healing anyway rather then Leftovers....I really wish Empoleon got Roost . Fortunately, you could potentially run Earthquake and use it after switching in because after switching into a special mence, you can be almost 100% sure they are switching (If not, you take a weakened CGMeteor..lol..and they risk Ice Beam). I don't know how much damage EQ would do though (probably not that much), so a phazing move may be better (Roar) used in conjunction with Stealth Rock (Salamence does not like Stealth Rock ).
EDIT: In retrospect, it should be fine to just run Lefties + Roar...and immediately Roar after switching into Mence to test for Magnezone. If he doesn't come, you know next time you can just throw down the Ice Beam.
While you're correct in that a lack of steels does allow you to spam Draco Meteor and ease your own prediction, the biggest threat to Choice Specs Salamence is not steels, which you can just Fire Blast to hell with good prediction, but Blissey, and Magnezone does nothing to help remove Blissey unless you can draw it out and explode on it.Cookie Crumbz said:
Your head is obviously in the right place but I think Azelf pretty much does the "luring Blissey in" thing better than Gengar in every way now, thanks to:
1) a much stronger Explosion, comparitively
2) Somersault
3) a much more potent special attacking threat in spite of its 125 Base SpA being less than Gengar's 130 thanks to the implied Nasty Plot
4) the fact that, while it's indeed owned by CB Jolly Pursult Weavile, so is Gengar lol
1) a much stronger Explosion, comparitively
2) Somersault
3) a much more potent special attacking threat in spite of its 125 Base SpA being less than Gengar's 130 thanks to the implied Nasty Plot
4) the fact that, while it's indeed owned by CB Jolly Pursult Weavile, so is Gengar lol
Well what I was thinking to keep these guys out was to threaten them with every pokemon on the team. Much like a team in advance with no spinner would take skarmory on. But instead of countering one pokemon it counters a variety of pokemon with the 4x ice weakness and 2x weakness.
Actualy i was thinking an Adamant Gengar with enought SDef for its sub not to break to bliss' Ice Beam and something along this lines of moveset
Gengar @ Fight Plate? ** Trou De loup
Adamant
Ev's xxxxx
Substitute
Drain Punch
Focus Punch
Mean Look
Sure a little gimmiky, Substitune on the blissey swich in, Mean look on the Ice Beam and Drain Punch next (doing 200 damage average, healing back 100 to you!) Substitue again, Drain Punch till Sub is broken and Sub again, once blissey needs to softoild and you have a healty Sub, fire away the Focus Punch, blissey can then do shit to you, and is now dead.
Then your oponent needs to deal with a Subed' Gengar focus punching.
If he sends in Weavile instead of Blissey (you have sub up) just focus punch the motherfucker back to its pokeball.
Phisical gengar is VERY VERY mean when not expected.
Just be careful with the PP on Drain Punch. You could probably do this setup 1-2 times (Although I suppose one is all you need if you are using it for just Blissey).
And besides, it is implied that neither Gengar nor Azelf have to overspecialize at all to beat Blissey and still operate as actual threats outside of that role. But a set with only fighting attacks, running off of a 60 base attack on a pokemon that actually needs max SpD before a 212 SpA Ice Beam (standard on Blissey now thanks to Garchomp) won't break its Sub on average isn't my idea of threatening.
Mence is scary beyond belief this gen, forcing Bliss/Light Screen on every team. I think I'm almost as scared of him as I am of Garchomp.
Also:
Couldn't help it xD
Edit: Does anyone think DD Mence will see as much use as in ADV with Gyarados becoming more popular?
Also:
Couldn't help it xD
Edit: Does anyone think DD Mence will see as much use as in ADV with Gyarados becoming more popular?
I was thinking. How damage does Draco Meteor to Tyranitar? (remember the x1,5 boost of sp.defense that Sand Stream gives to T-tar).
Assuming Salamence is Modest max Special Attack with Choice Specs and Tyranitar has no Special Defense EVs and 4 HP EVs (the Choice Band standard), it does 66-77%. If Tyranitar has max HP (the Boah standard and the most defensive TTar you'll ever find), it does 56-65%.
Why do people ask others to do damage calculations for them?
Because Dragon Pulse is a quality move that allows Salamence to dish out powerful STAB attacks for late-game sweeping without losing accuracy or special attack in the process?
