hmmmm hydreigon and latios are better choices for u my friend
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hmmmm hydreigon and latios are better choices for u my friend
nah i wasnt talking about tanknite ever... i was talking about rain abuser mixnite...
I was responding to the original post:
and then the laughable:
I lol'd so hard all my blood vessels exploded at once but then my brother used his Max Revive so I could write this.
Anyways DNite is a homo so I don't use him. EDIT: Good players use rocks to shut down Multiscale Homonite
Are you one of those noobs stuck in pre 4th gen? When Rhyperior was an insta Uber, Weavile was the best anti-metagame pokemon in the game, and NP Hyper Beam Porygon-Z was gonna be the shit?
As well, what's you're reading comprehension SAT score? 199? They probably had to make a special score just for you. I was arguing about MixNite, not Bulky DD Nite. In fact, I have said many times before that Bulky DDNite is the #1 threat in the metagame. Unless you want to be "innovative", go test your dragon dance boosted Hurricane's power somewhere else.
I don't even care that I might get an infraction for that. Seriously, your posts are that bad. Double posting everywhere doesn't make it seem any better.
Okay guys, what the FUCK is going on in this thread? Stay on topic please.
There is no best Dragonite set. He excels at keeping a strong defense on both his offensive AND defensive sets. Multiscale goes a long way here, but sets like SubRoostDD and Offensive DD with ExtremeSpeed are both extremely hard to break through, and hard to wall. Bar Roar / WW / Haze / Taunt, NOTHING is breaking through Dragonite's fast SubRoost.
There is no best Dragonite set. He excels at keeping a strong defense on both his offensive AND defensive sets. Multiscale goes a long way here, but sets like SubRoostDD and Offensive DD with ExtremeSpeed are both extremely hard to break through, and hard to wall. Bar Roar / WW / Haze / Taunt, NOTHING is breaking through Dragonite's fast SubRoost.
I just realized he gets Ice Punch,Ice Beam, Icy Wind and Rock Slide which all make Dragonite a trophy on my wall.
I know there's a scent of sarcasm there, but I'm going to respond to it anyways. I've said many times already I personally believe Dragonite is the most threatening pokemon in OU, but this is not because of the Rain Abuser DNite set.
Bulky DDNite isn't outsped by everything unlike Rain Abuser DNite, who can not afford to run any speed because its base SpA isn't that high. Its also no longer revenge killed by Latios, Salamence, Hydreigon and the rest of the dragon family. Bulky DDNite can also afford to run roost without giving up significant coverage. If Rain Abuser DNite runs roost, it must either give up Brick Break, Thunder, or a water move. Lastly, Bulky DDNite is also capable of functioning in all weathers, Rain Abuser DNite is a cripple anywhere besides rain, even if there's no weather up, it doesn't hit hard/ accurate enough with anything.
CB Nite has significantly more power than Rain Abuser DNite. Outrage hits harder than Hurricane and also has better coverage as well. Fire Punch and Waterfall allow it to be a beast no matter the weather. While this set requires more team support (Magic Bounce/ Rapid Spin), it also takes on a plethora of more threats than Rain Abuser DNite, most notably Volcorona. CB Extremespeed allows it to take out a number of extremely dangerous pokemon such as Thundurus. Yeah, Rain Abuser DNite has Extremespeed as well. But it can't do anything with it because it cannot afford to run max attack or a power boosting item. As well, it would either lose Roost, which makes it even easier to bring down, or a coverage move, making it even easier to wall.
Parashuffler DNite isn't that threatening a pokemon itself, but it turns big power hitters like Haxorus into even more threatening beings. Its kinda hard arguing which is better between it and Rain Abuser DNite since its a completely different role, so I wont.
Personally I'm not that big a fan of offensive DNite since I believe its outclassed by Salamence, but its still a better set that Rain Abuser, see Bulky Dancer for the reason.
^Seeing Dragonite on a rain team might give it away...
I disagree. With spin support, a well played offensive Dragonite can still abuse Multiscale during setup, and can easily reach +2 with a Lum Berry. The speed difference is negligible after two Dragon Dances, and Dragonite has higher stats everywhere else, as he can comfortably run an Adamant nature.
Dragonite also has Fire Punch and ExtremeSpeed, which are reason enough to use it over Salamence. The base 100 Speed tier isn't as important as it once was, Intimidate is outclassed by Multiscale, and if MoxieMence doesn't get Outrage, I don't see any reason to use him over Dragonite. He's outclassed as a Special Attacker by Hydreigon too.
I disagree. With spin support, a well played offensive Dragonite can still abuse Multiscale during setup, and can easily reach +2 with a Lum Berry. The speed difference is negligible after two Dragon Dances, and Dragonite has higher stats everywhere else, as he can comfortably run an Adamant nature.
Dragonite also has Fire Punch and ExtremeSpeed, which are reason enough to use it over Salamence. The base 100 Speed tier isn't as important as it once was, Intimidate is outclassed by Multiscale, and if MoxieMence doesn't get Outrage, I don't see any reason to use him over Dragonite. He's outclassed as a Special Attacker by Hydreigon too.
It doesn't matter if it is a stereotypical rain abuser or not.It is a rain abusing set.
You clearly haven't tried this set and you are randomly judging it by theorymon!
You won't be using this outside of rain so it doesn't need any move to have outside of it.
Multiscale still is immensely helpful and lets you take the first hit(because you will be so slow that almost anything will go first).
So try to list me some counters for the second set i listed(soild counters)and then think about how sucky this set is...
Actually I have used a Rain Abuser DNite, at first I was pretty pleased with it since it basically did what Tornadus did except better. However, as I continued playing, I realized that it just didn't hit hard enough to my liking, and I found Tornadus to be pretty underwhelming as well due to their futility outside of rain. In the end, I scrapped rain teams with Hurricane abusers in general since they just weren't that great. Here's proof:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3451948
That second set you listed loses Multiscale after just one move, setting it up for revenge killing by manymanymanymany threats. It doesn't have a way to deal with SR either, so Multiscale becomes essentially useless. Extremespeed as said before just doesn't hit hard enough with Rain Abuser DNite. You can't run any speed either, and tons and tons of shit are gonna outspeed and KO you without Multiscale.
As well, I've said many times already that I advocate the use of Waterfall Bulky DDNite in the rain. So yes, it does matter if its the stereotypical rain abuser or not, since thats all I'm arguing against.
ROFL.... yo seriously this guy needs to get a female in his life... You take pokemon WAY too seriously. I dont really care about ur sarcasm and ranting insults... I guess some people feel like they gotta defend themselves on pokemon.
Anyways I am not going to explain how the set works to you... as a matter of fact if u want to know where i got this set, why dont u go to page one of this thread. The fact of the matter is, dragonite is extremely unpredictable. As I mentioned 2 pages back... I have no problem battling you.... KNOWING what set i am running. I truly dont think most people are able to stop it.
I guess to you, every person must run the sets you think are great to be good. The fact that u have never battled me... know nothing of me, and automatically make assumptions about how good or not good help prove that you are a child. Poppycock's post is a perfect example of the fact that even though you take this game SOOOOO seriously... you have no idea what you are talking about.
EDIT: Honestly I dont want you to get infracted... When it is THAT serious to go to the lengths that you do to defend your "pokemon honor" if you will, I dont want anything that important in your life to be hindered... Dont infract him for his comments. I am not offended.
Have a nice day!
Fridge Brilliance moment: I now know exactly why Dragonite got Multiscale from the dream world. It's proof that Gamefreak notices the competitive community. Like, REALLY notices it. I'll show you what I mean.
Think back to last gen. Back in DP. Dragonite, while overall considered inferior to Salamence, had a very specific niche in the metagame: Outrage. DD + Outrage gave Dnite something that Mence and even Chomp didnt have. Note that this was during the initial phase of the 4th gen. When Dnite initially comes into the battlefield with Multiscale, he can holds his own. Multiscale is not only his niche now, but its symbolic of his niche in the DP days.
However, just the slightest bit of damage, one single move, and Multiscale is rendered useless. All it took was one move to kill Dnite's niche and leave him not nearly as useful. All it took was Mence getting Outrage for Dnite to lose that niche and fall into obscurity. Multiscale's fleeting nature is symbolic of how fleeting Dnite's niche time was, and how much losing it weakened him.
Hopefully I make at least one iota of sense.
Think back to last gen. Back in DP. Dragonite, while overall considered inferior to Salamence, had a very specific niche in the metagame: Outrage. DD + Outrage gave Dnite something that Mence and even Chomp didnt have. Note that this was during the initial phase of the 4th gen. When Dnite initially comes into the battlefield with Multiscale, he can holds his own. Multiscale is not only his niche now, but its symbolic of his niche in the DP days.
However, just the slightest bit of damage, one single move, and Multiscale is rendered useless. All it took was one move to kill Dnite's niche and leave him not nearly as useful. All it took was Mence getting Outrage for Dnite to lose that niche and fall into obscurity. Multiscale's fleeting nature is symbolic of how fleeting Dnite's niche time was, and how much losing it weakened him.
Hopefully I make at least one iota of sense.
Multiscale+Roost=/=fleeting.
I dont think Gamefreak thought of Roost. Either that or Roost represents the time period after Mence's banning where Dnite got to have his niche back and shine again
D'nite is a boss...
I don't think it's as highly symbolic as you think it is. Sometimes they just want certain pokemon to be better than others. In Gen 4 Mence outclassed Dragonite in almost every possible way. In Gen 5 Dragonite's main and to my knowledge only recovery move not only heals it reliably, removes it's rock weakness and curbs its ice weakness for a turn, but also puts Dragonite into a range where his ability activates, which makes doubles his defenses as long as it's at full health. Maybe GameFreak just likes Dragonite.
And yet you responded, which shows that you've "stooped to my level" so to speak. I personally enjoy a little rant once in a while, since you can't really say this kinda stuff in real life. On the internet however, let all hell break loose. If people can't handle it, oh well, not like getting banned from a forum is gonna get you expelled from Uni or anything.
The fact that you brought up Rhyperior was reason enough for me to question your reading comprehension skills. When did I mention Rhyperior in that post, like at all? I personally have no problem with people disagreeing with me. It just means more arguments, and I might get to throw in a rant once in a while. The comment was more on you putting words into people's mouths (posts?).
Anyways, back on topic. Has anyone ever tried using a Toxic stall Dragonite? With Roost+MultiScale, you'd think Dragonite can really abuse the passive damage. Throw in Substitute and you've got yourself one bitch of a pokemon to take down.
I think it has more to do with Nintendo going "our first ever Pseudo kinda got screwed over, its also Lance's flagship pokemon and pretty popular" lets give it a buff.
EDIT: ninja'd but since my post is shown before his even though Spenstar's post technically happened first, I guess I ninja'd him sorta...