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np: OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Sandstorm (Excadrill/Thundurus Banned)
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I personally don't think baton pass is ban worthy. I consider stat boosting as a central gameplay mechanic and I always try to include an option in my team to deal with it.
And yeah, another way to go is lead with DD Haxorus, dd up, and then maul them completely with outrage.
And yeah, another way to go is lead with DD Haxorus, dd up, and then maul them completely with outrage.
Who would use Roar in Haxorus?
It's a waste, a fragile sweeper with that, a waste of movepool that might be useful only against 1% of the teams.
99% of the battles is like playing with an empty moveslot.
You forget power creep has raised a lot in this gen, therefore is already more difficult to set-up a BP team than before.
Even, Espeon is just fragile without defense boosts.
I tried a typical BP team in 4th gen, and it was nearly impossible to succeed bar against full stalls(but I used Ingrain Smeargle which sucks)
The key to defeat baton pass is the first turns, one or the other will be dead.
Team Preview does not help using BP teams.
By the way, Deoxys-N must be Uber with no questions.
It's a waste, a fragile sweeper with that, a waste of movepool that might be useful only against 1% of the teams.
99% of the battles is like playing with an empty moveslot.
You forget power creep has raised a lot in this gen, therefore is already more difficult to set-up a BP team than before.
Even, Espeon is just fragile without defense boosts.
I tried a typical BP team in 4th gen, and it was nearly impossible to succeed bar against full stalls(but I used Ingrain Smeargle which sucks)
The key to defeat baton pass is the first turns, one or the other will be dead.
Team Preview does not help using BP teams.
By the way, Deoxys-N must be Uber with no questions.
Times have changed since 4th Gen. With Espeon, Mr. Mime, Vaporeon, and Nincada BP teams are much stronger than the ones you worked with.
Deoxys-N got trolled. Bad. Too powerful to stay OU, yet in Ubers it's completely outclassed by its cousin who does everything Deoxys-N does better, except maybe take a mach punch/vacuum wave. It's like 4th gen Latias, except more so.
You mean Latios, right? Latias had Soul Dew to stop Kyogre, so Latios was the one "outclassed" up in Ubers.
Doesn't that translate to "Espeon"? The other three existed since ADV, so BP didn't get any stronger because of them.
he could be referring to lati@s while they were still in ou, which is when latios arguably outclassed latias
Its more of like the 4th gen Deoxys-N actually.
Actually, both. Deoxys-N was Latias in OU, then became Latios in Ubers. Too powerful for one tier, outclassed in the other.
I don't even understand the Baton Pass ban. Does it mean Baton Pass chains? Short chains? The move Baton Pass in general? Does that encompass Sub Passing? That really needed to be clarified before we voted on it...
I voted no, though, because of the questions I had and because Baton Pass chains aren't banworthy.
I voted no, though, because of the questions I had and because Baton Pass chains aren't banworthy.
I use a BPass team without Shell Smash OR Mew. Of course I use MBounce, though. I found that Volbeat actually works better than Mew on my team.
For the most part, people just nominated the move Baton Pass, which sounds like it would ban all uses of it... which would be absolutely ridiculous.
Or, as ridiculous as it sounds, ban Espeon... If the main problem are BP Chains and Espeon is mostly used on those teams, then it would be deserving of a ban. I have more problems with Smash teams succeeding in passing it to something like Breloom than Espeon spamming Stored Power in BP Chains but eh.
I'd say Baton Pass+Espeon is the superior choice (lesser of two evils, though), as Baton Pass+Xatu is not broken in the least.
Yeah, I really think banning Espeon would probably be the best way to go. I mean, what really holds them together? If Espeon didn't exist, you could do all sorts of nasty things to BP teams without even trying. Phazing, Taunting, even getting down a layer of Toxic Spikes usually fucks a Baton Pass team pretty badly. Blanket banning Baton Pass is just way too much. Do we all realise that stuff like SD Leafeon (yeah, rare Poke, but I might think of better examples later) who only use Baton Pass as a filler move can't do it any more? We also realise that stuff like Jolteon can't dry Pass any more (I know he has Volt Switch, but try that against all those Ground-types running around)?
I really think that needs to be clarified, though. The votes in regards to Baton Pass should, imo, be thrown out, because it's so fucking ambiguous. Atleast the fields for Sandstream, Drizzle, Drought, and Hail made fucking SENSE.
IE, get rid of those, clarify what you mean, and then revote. =P.
IE, get rid of those, clarify what you mean, and then revote. =P.
Lol, no offense to anyone, but it's surprising that this suspect thread is demonstrating more logic sense than the voting thread.
According to some mods, it seems like Baton Pass had hit majority with a chance of hitting super majority. Seriously?
If I honestly knew Baton Pass was on the line, I would've nominated for Espeon to save BP. Banning Baton Pass is analagous to removing Sandstream when we just need to ban Excadrill.
Why are we so hasty in removing a significant portion of this game? Auto-weathers, Baton Pass, Snow Cloak / Sand Veil... wow.
According to some mods, it seems like Baton Pass had hit majority with a chance of hitting super majority. Seriously?
If I honestly knew Baton Pass was on the line, I would've nominated for Espeon to save BP. Banning Baton Pass is analagous to removing Sandstream when we just need to ban Excadrill.
Why are we so hasty in removing a significant portion of this game? Auto-weathers, Baton Pass, Snow Cloak / Sand Veil... wow.
No offense, but I think banning Espeon would still be going a little too far. Espeon is barely threatening at all outside of Baton Pass teams, being very frail, very predictable, and as a result, easily pursuited. Banning Baton Pass and Magic Bounce Espeon on the same team could work, since Espeon is what makes Baton Pass broken, but isn't threatening outside of it. But do we really need a complex ban?
would honchkrow work to counter baton pass teams?
just wondering?
its neutral to fighting and immune to stored power
plus could hit ninjask with brave bird
another thing
memento is not effected by magic bounce
that could seriously hurt their chain by lowering attack and special attack
they might have to restart their chain or just keep passing and hope to boost over it
just wondering?
its neutral to fighting and immune to stored power
plus could hit ninjask with brave bird
another thing
memento is not effected by magic bounce
that could seriously hurt their chain by lowering attack and special attack
they might have to restart their chain or just keep passing and hope to boost over it
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