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Huge shakeups everywhere! Machamp, Porygon2, Hippowdon, Whimsicott, Darmanitan, Tornadus, and Chandelure have dropped down to UU for your playing pleasure. Damn, that's a lot of fresh blood.

On the other side, only Celebi and Gastrodon have been called up to the big leagues. Have fun up there guys, especially you Gastrodon. I have a feeling you won't be sticking around for too long...

The issue of what to do with Hail is going to be put to the side for now, while you guys adjust to this new metagame. While the issue could have been dealt with going into the new stage, I felt that since the shakeups are so major, it would be best to wait to see how the metagame shapes up first. There will not be a suspect test this round, but suspects will still be dealt with in some (yet to be determined fashion), so feel free to point out what you believe to be too good for the metagame.

You might notice that this is now being referred to as a "Stage." In order to keep the metagame sorted out (which also helps for any future UU throughout the ages tournaments), every post-banning or tier shift due to usage stats will result in UU moving to a new Stage.
 
Hippowdon FUCK YES! Machamp and Darmanitan will also be awesome here. Time to get rid of this stall fest which is the main reason I didn't play that much.
 
Can't wait to make my OTR team now that I have access to Chandelure instead of Lampent... :D
 
Hippowdon is the only Pokemon I feel will do anything major in UU. Now more than ever, Cobalion players are going to want to run CM because SD isn't doing shit. Darmanitan will get hard-walled by physically defensive bulky Water types, which are already in high supply because of Victini. Machamp gets hard-walled by a lot of things, actually. It won't be anymore noteworthy here than it was in OU last gen. Porygon-2 is just going to suck. Most of our sweepers don't care about BoltBeam and will either mow right through it or set up some more. Straight to RU for you, buddy.
 
Specs tornadus is a total beast in UU. It's great Speed stat combined with sky-high Sp.Atk and acces to Hurricane makes it one of the, if not, THE best late game sweeper of UU. If you don't carry a scarfer, you're gonna get wrecked by this thing. Of course, Tornadus can also abuse it's Prankster ability with moves like Taunt and Rain Dance.
 
I agree with SJCrew to an extent, although I think he is understimating Darmanitan. This thing hits considerably harder than Victini does. Tornadus and Chandelure can be readily walled as well. Sand is very effective already and might become too much with Hippowdon around.
 
Tornadus might revieve the classic Rain Dance teams, especially now Kingdra is UU. Ofc, with many teams running Hail and Sand (especially since Hippowdon just became UU) it will probably be harder to pull off.
 
Just going off pure theorymon, I'm really worried about Darmanitan. We saw how badly Staraptor wrecked UU, now imagine it with better offensive typing, the ability to bluff sets, no recoil, and a stronger STAB attack. The best checks to Darmanitan are bulky fire types and water types so... FWG wars anyone?
 
Snunch said:
Just going off pure theorymon, I'm really worried about Darmanitan. We saw how badly Staraptor wrecked UU, now imagine it with better offensive typing, the ability to bluff sets, no recoil, and a stronger STAB attack. The best checks to Darmanitan are bulky fire types and water types so... FWG wars anyone?
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I dont really get how its all that different from Victini. Flare Blitz might be a little stronger. But really you'd just be able to deal with it in the same way as Victini. Also, Hippowdon should do a pretty good job at walling it now that it's UU.

Oh and Flare Blitz still deals recoil damage.
 
Snunch said:
Just going off pure theorymon, I'm really worried about Darmanitan. We saw how badly Staraptor wrecked UU, now imagine it with better offensive typing, the ability to bluff sets, no recoil, and a stronger STAB attack. The best checks to Darmanitan are bulky fire types and water types so... FWG wars anyone?
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It's funny you mention FWG, as it's actually the biasis of my team i've been working on since the new usage stats were released. It would be strange for the meta to suddenly revert back to FWG cores, but with Darm and Chandy joining the tier I wouldn't be too suprised.
 
Ah! A new metagame! Thank all that is holy! Bye-bye hail, it was nice knowin' ya. Whimsicott is such a bundle of fun! Thank goodness I didn't play much OU last month, or it might still have been OU. :P Hippowdon moving down is huge, same with Darmanitan and Chandlure (underestimate them at your own risk). Tornadus seems pretty meh without permanent rain, but who knows? Maybe this is glory age for UU rain? Certainly seems possible with the new additions to UU. Machamp is awesome; I don't care what anyone says! So long, Celebi. We'll miss you.

...Pory-who?

Also, Magic Guard Alakazam is the bomb! Use it!
 
charizard24 said:
I dont really get how its all that different from Victini. Flare Blitz might be a little stronger. But really you'd just be able to deal with it in the same way as Victini. Also, Hippowdon should do a pretty good job at walling it now that it's UU.

Oh and Flare Blitz still deals recoil damage.
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Hippowdon can't even switch into a LO Darmanitan, as it is 2HKO'd by Flare Blitz. It doesn't tae on scarfed variants that well either, as even an unboosted Flare Blitz has a chance of 2HKOing after SR. Yeah, FB does deal recoil to Darmanitan, but if it can cripple your walls that easily, even if it eventually goes down, it will have done more than enough.
 
252 Atk Adamant LO Flare Blitz Sheer Boosted Darmanitan vs 252 HP/252 Def Impish Hippowdon: 45.0% ~ 53.1% - 38% chance to 2HKO.

Alright, it's a decent check at least. But honestly, if the metagame can handle Victini they can probably handle Darmanitan.

Also, after that attack Darmanitan will lose 21% of its health assuming Max Damage and another 6% from SS. 27 + 27 = 54%. That's over half its health gone as well.
 
FWG won't happen, mainly because the grass-types aren't good enough. Rose will be about as dominant as last round, and Shaymin is a (much) worse Celebi.

Also, Darmanitan hype is just like what happened last year -- it'll die down, fast. Only difference from OU is that it'll stay a dominant pokemon, just not as ridiculously broken as people make it out to be now.
 
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Super duper excited to see how Chandelure will play out. Its going to kick ass, especially considering how the most prominent SpD wall in the tier (chansey) will can't touch it behind a sub.

Also excited to see Darmanitan (who will probably end up being broken, but my fingers are crossed!
-Hippowdon is going to be really lame, i'm expecting Stoutland use to skyrocket.
-Machamp is going to be awesome and stupid at the same time. Its not "godlike" or anything but Dynamic Punch is still dynamic punch (whats that you say, you switched in your yanmega on my dpunch and you're going to threaten me with air slash? I should switch out... naw)
-P2 will be cool. Walling bitches left and right, Chansey style with the cheese factor(?)
-Whimsicott in UU... yippee?
-I have no idea how Tornadus will affect UU.
 
charizard24 said:
252 Atk Adamant LO Flare Blitz Sheer Boosted Darmanitan vs 252 HP/252 Def Impish Hippowdon: 45.0% ~ 53.1% - 38% chance to 2HKO.

Alright, it's a decent check at least. But honestly, if the metagame can handle Victini they can probably handle Darmanitan.
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You did the calc wrong. It's 58.81%-69.52%, which is a guaranteed 2HKO.
 
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Super duper excited to see how Chandelure will play out. Its going to kick ass, especially considering how the most prominent SpD wall in the tier (chansey) will can't touch it behind a sub.
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That's a good point! i see a subsplit chandelure being a new Rotom-F, with the best benifit of NOT needing hail and a better Special attack...I can see chandelure netting a guarenteed 1 Kill per game...

EDIT: and machamp with No Guard now shits all over hail teams and with all these new stall breakers and Dragonball Z attackers, hail might be just be a liability to use
 
charizard24 said:
Actually never mind, you're correct. The Sheer Force boost didnt register on mine for some reason.
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There are benefits to knowing the damage formula and doing it manually until it becomes second nature. Don't have to rely on a possibly glitched damage calculator.
 
MACHAMP! I like how Machamp counters Porygon, but Tornadus counters Machamp. And although Tornadus counters Machamp, Porygon counters Tornadus. It's like those three have a little thing worked out to keep each other in check.
 
Hippo UU... never saw that coming.

I think all these mons will have a pretty significant impact on the metagame, bar maybe Whimsicott, Tornadus, and Pory2. IMO, Tornadus just really isn't much without permanent rain, but I could be wrong. Whimisicott and P2 will just sit on their ass like always being mildly annoying but never really accomplishing much...

Snunch said:
Just going off pure theorymon, I'm really worried about Darmanitan. We saw how badly Staraptor wrecked UU, now imagine it with better offensive typing, the ability to bluff sets, no recoil, and a stronger STAB attack. The best checks to Darmanitan are bulky fire types and water types so... FWG wars anyone?
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I never encountered too many when I used to play OU so I could be misremembering but doesn't Darmanitan take damage from flare blitz? Pretty sure sheer force doesn't effect recoil, it just gets rid of the extremely small burn chance.

(prediction: a significant rise in slowbro, maybe own tempo will get some use with machamp in the tier? prob not though since slowbro fares well enough against him even while confused.)
 
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