Rate my anti steel team and my metagame theory (peaked at 200)

gbagcn

I noticed that the metagame has been very pro steel lately so I made a team to counter it. I used to have a magnezone instead of latios but the metagame has been moving away from steel types to something else so I decided to replace him. I wonder how long this team will last before the metagame changes again and I have to change this team. I came up with a general theory of the metagame that when it changes the change means that teams in the metagame are more weak to one type of move in general. First make a team with as many different attacking type moves as possible and then find the type of move they are weakest to and exploit it. Here is my team:

Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Superpower
- Ice Beam
- Pursuit
- Stealth Rock

Tyranitar really needs the speed so I gave him choice scarf. Stealth rock works surprisingly well even with choice scarf. First of all I only use stealth rock when my opponent is switching alot and I can just switch after using it so choice scarf is no big deal.

Breloom (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Effect Spore
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Spore
- Superpower
- Seed Bomb
- Mach Punch

I should mention that in addition to being weak to steel I discovered a major exploit in the metagame that it is weak to choice scarf. In fact not too long ago I had a 6 pokemon choice scarf team win 10 battles in a row. Its not as bad now as it was then but choice scarf still is perfect to stop sweeps and revenge kill. I have heard choice scarf breelom is supposed to be bad but I tried him and he works great. I can really surprise people with spore and superpower. Most people don't expect that much speed and power so it works great surprising people.

Latios (M) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Trick

Yes I have 3 choice item users but this choice item can be tricked away so its not as big of a deal. I chose this pokemon over magnezone once skarmory became less common. Since this team is weak to fighting I gave him psychic and draco meteor is nice for those ohko's. Overall standard moveset.

Jellicent (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 32 HP / 136 Def / 252 SAtk / 88 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Scald
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Recover

This moveset really surprises people because they don't expect life orb on jellicent. The reason I chose life orb is because I need the power as well as jellicents typing. Recover restores the damage from life orb anyway. I am still not completely certain on his moveset though. I know I need a water move and recover but the last 2 moves I am not sure about. HP fire and psychic do work as good surprises though. I haven't been using him much lately but I still do need him to deal with my fighting weakness.

Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 236 Atk / 20 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Facade
- Protect

This moveset is the perfect mix of attack and hp. I already posted it once so I am not going to say much more than this.

Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Trait: Trace
EVs: 160 HP / 200 Def / 148 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Discharge
- Toxic
- Recover

I have posted this moveset before in another topic as well. Overall pretty standard. Most things can't 2 hit ko it.
 
choice scarf breloom makes no sense (a scarfer with priority? talk about redundent), im sorry but the regular sub/punch varient or the sub/SD version are far better. if you still insist on having another scarfer give tyranitar stone edge over ice beam (obviously adjust Evs and nature) and then use a scarfed special revenge killer, some examples could be: nidoking, starmie, porygon z, the list iis quite long, just dont use scarf mixed tyranitar AND scarf breloom, not only are they both poor at what you want them to do, they are both extremely redundent in terms of attacks and use
 
Ok I decided to make my team more diverse. Now the only 2 attacking types not present on my team are poison and steel but those are the worst attacking types in the game so its no big loss. I don't think I have ever seen a team with 15 attacking types. Here it is:

Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Superpower
- Ice Beam
- Pursuit
- Stealth Rock

Rotom-W @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Hydro Pump
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Trick

Latios (M) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Trick

Cofagrigus (M) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Mummy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Haze

Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 236 Atk / 20 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Facade
- Protect

Excadrill (M) @ Air Balloon
Trait: Sand Rush
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- X-Scissor

I would also be interested in seeing what a counter team to this team would look like. I bet you can't even make one without using some of the same pokemon that are in this team. Also lately I have been noticing that a few teams I have been fighting have 3/6 of the pokemon that are on this team. I am not sure if they are copying me or we both indepently discovered some of the same things.
 
No offense but peaking 200 is a bad achievment why not push it to 30, 94 or maybe with a lot of effort #1.
I think Lucario with Ice punch can go through your whole team one by one. Can I suggest Gyarados to stop that threat.
 
I don't think Cofagrigus is really needed when you already have gliscor for a physical wall. Also having 4 choice users might be going overboard in my opinion. I'm not sure what you want to do with Cofagrigus, but if you want a bulky special attacker with similar coverage you could try CM reuniclus. If you're going for a (p)hazer you could use Heatran here as you don't really have anyone to take a lot of special hits, and heatran could set up rocks for you, allowing tyranitar to run another attacking move. Also Heatran gives you a pretty reliable defense against sun teams, also having good synergy with Rotom-W, who is immune to the ground attacks heatran hates while helping to take on rain teams. Heatran can also give you more of an answer to dragons.

Reuniclus:
Reuniclus (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Recover
- Psyshock/Psychic
- Focus Blast

Heatran:
Heatran (M) @ Leftovers/Air Balloon
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Fire Blast/Lava Plume
- Toxic/Will-o-Wisp/Earth Power
 
RhyssaFireheart said:
No offense but peaking 200 is a bad achievment why not push it to 30, 94 or maybe with a lot of effort #1.
I think Lucario with Ice punch can go through your whole team one by one. Can I suggest Gyarados to stop that threat.
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peaking 200 is decent, have you even come close to peaking #1? also, before you diss his ranking, your rate is short and inaccurate. How is Lucario going to get past Cofagrigus? A SD set with CC, ES, and Ice Punch will be completely walled, and Excadrill can come in, outspeed, and OHKO with EQ.
 
That Noob said:
peaking 200 is decent, have you even come close to peaking #1? also, before you diss his ranking, your rate is short and inaccurate. How is Lucario going to get past Cofagrigus? A SD set with CC, ES, and Ice Punch will be completely walled, and Excadrill can come in, outspeed, and OHKO with EQ.
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Actually 200 is not decent to use a team achievement. I actually only came here to see the flames that I expected to see. Anyway, I think that Cofigrigius won't stop Lucario, as it could come in on a resisted shadow ball or hp ice. Cofigrigius desperately needs to lose the choice specs, a defensive pokemon like that having specs is absurd. What if you need to haze? You will be locked into haze and they can either A. try to setup again as you switch out or B. Just tear into your Cofigrigius. This team is really lacking in the synergy department as well. the team choice seems random. Also, what is choice ttar outspeeding, just out of curiosity?
(Oh and before I get flamed by anyone, I have gotten close to 1 with multiple teams)
 
Morty said:
Actually 200 is not decent to use a team achievement. I actually only came here to see the flames that I expected to see. Anyway, I think that Cofigrigius won't stop Lucario, as it could come in on a resisted shadow ball or hp ice. Cofigrigius desperately needs to lose the choice specs, a defensive pokemon like that having specs is absurd. What if you need to haze? You will be locked into haze and they can either A. try to setup again as you switch out or B. Just tear into your Cofigrigius. This team is really lacking in the synergy department as well. the team choice seems random. Also, what is choice ttar outspeeding, just out of curiosity?
(Oh and before I get flamed by anyone, I have gotten close to 1 with multiple teams)
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tbh, I was annoyed at RhyssaFireheart, who appears to post quick, short, inaccurate rates for postcount ++. also, cofagrigus should lose the specs, but the best lucario can do is use + 2/4/6 ice punch/crunches, both weak 75/80 bp moves that aren't getting a STAB boost.
 
Hi! I see a huge problem with set up sweepers or stall teams overall as you have 4 choiced pkmns, note that you suffer from a huge weakness to sub-disable gengar as most of you mons are choiced and he can set up on more than half of your team (cofagrigus locked in haze, T-tar on both superpower and stealth rocks, rotom-W locked on HP-grass and gliscor can`t even touch the 1st gen ghost). another threat to this team is wobbuffet, again by the overdo on choiced items. besides what do you want to outspeed with a slow pkmn like T-tar and why is it carring stealth rock if its a choiced mon? and cofagrigus is supposed to be a WALL not a spec sweeper, so please just tell me what does he KO by using specs? you need to take him those specs right away. Half of your team is weak to water and by having so many choiced mons your opponent will have an easy time predicting your switch. Also notice that some EV`s are missing on excadrill, latios and rotom-W. and if you have the need to edit there is an edit button on the bottom of the post... there is no need to reply with another one if you just plan to change your team.
 
gbagcn said:
...I would also be interested in seeing what a counter team to this team would look like. I bet you can't even make one without using some of the same pokemon that are in this team. Also lately I have been noticing that a few teams I have been fighting have 3/6 of the pokemon that are on this team. I am not sure if they are copying me or we both indepently discovered some of the same things.
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I dont think they choose that pokemon only because you use it. Many gamers use the same pokemon, not because of copying, because they need it in their team....
 
raikou00 said:
I dont think they choose that pokemon only because you use it. Many gamers use the same pokemon, not because of copying, because they need it in their team....
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Yeah but I have never had it happen before I made this team and then all of a sudden it happened a bunch of times. Is seeing a team with 3/6 of the same pokemon as you have on your team that common?

I like the suggestion of putting reuniculus on this team. Maybe I will try that. Also since choice teams are weak to switching I switched out excadrill for the standard skarmory with spikes.
 
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