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np: OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Sandstorm (Excadrill/Thundurus Banned)
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Hahaha FUCK YOU EXCADRILL ,.|.. o_o ..|.,
It's fitting, winter is coming now, so many people will be putting on scarves.
Without excadrill's rapid spinning, entry hazards might get more common. No prob though, because I carried a RS'er before exca, and now I'm happy for doing so.
Thundurus being broken or not has been a debate in my mind for ever since it has been called on for. But every time I tell myself that my scarf pokemon easily take out thundurus, I remember that priority twave and hope it gets banned. Seriously, not cool that while scarf poke's can take it out, they have to lose their only advantage in battle doing so.
It's fitting, winter is coming now, so many people will be putting on scarves.
Without excadrill's rapid spinning, entry hazards might get more common. No prob though, because I carried a RS'er before exca, and now I'm happy for doing so.
Thundurus being broken or not has been a debate in my mind for ever since it has been called on for. But every time I tell myself that my scarf pokemon easily take out thundurus, I remember that priority twave and hope it gets banned. Seriously, not cool that while scarf poke's can take it out, they have to lose their only advantage in battle doing so.
I'm so excited for this next format! I'm sure some familiar faces from last gen, like offensive DD Mence and SD Lucario, who were both hindered by Excadrill's presence in the meta, will be more common now.
Also, be on the lookout for spikes based offense teams, stall, and semi-stall. Excadrill and Thundurus annoyed all of those teams big time.
On a final note, don't forget to take some speed EVs out of ninetales now that Excadrill is gone. 16 speed with a neutral nature for Adamant Breloom should be enough.
Also, be on the lookout for spikes based offense teams, stall, and semi-stall. Excadrill and Thundurus annoyed all of those teams big time.
On a final note, don't forget to take some speed EVs out of ninetales now that Excadrill is gone. 16 speed with a neutral nature for Adamant Breloom should be enough.
I feel like trying out a Volbeat + Raikou team now that Excadrill is banned.
I don't post too much, but I've played long enough to know that these guys really centralized the metagame, and the OU tier will hopefully be a lot better of without them. Sure, each had their counters, but forcing everyone to use that counter just isn't good for the game.
I really wasn't surprised Exca was banned, it was just a matter of time. Thunderbro was little more surprising, but I can see why. (Now I just wait for the day that sand rush sandslash is released. Oh that will be a glorious day!)
I don't care how you suck in 5th gen. Absol, I <3 you!
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I don't care how you suck in 5th gen. Absol, I <3 you!
Starmie is still a great spinner, and it shouldn't be that hard to spin hazards with him:
The offensive LO set does 52% - 62% to Jellicent with Thunderbolt, Thunder does 67% - 79% which means Jellicent will get 2HKOed by Thunderbolt if he mispredicts.. Gengar takes 81% - 96% from LO Surf, without rain, which has a good chance of KOing with rocks, and Hydro Pump KOes 100% of the time. Chandelure is obviously KOed by Surf.
The Leftovers set also works well; Jellicent can't do anything to it besides WoW which is cured by a switch / Recover, and with Toxic Spikes up you'll beat it pretty easily. Gengar gets outsped and if you have rain up, Surf does a ton even with no SpA investment, KOing after two SR switch-ins.
The offensive LO set does 52% - 62% to Jellicent with Thunderbolt, Thunder does 67% - 79% which means Jellicent will get 2HKOed by Thunderbolt if he mispredicts.. Gengar takes 81% - 96% from LO Surf, without rain, which has a good chance of KOing with rocks, and Hydro Pump KOes 100% of the time. Chandelure is obviously KOed by Surf.
The Leftovers set also works well; Jellicent can't do anything to it besides WoW which is cured by a switch / Recover, and with Toxic Spikes up you'll beat it pretty easily. Gengar gets outsped and if you have rain up, Surf does a ton even with no SpA investment, KOing after two SR switch-ins.
Common misconception; Thundurus is too good under all weather conditions. If there were no Drizzle, he would just sweep with Thunderbolt. Sp. Def Jirachi and Blissey are completely helpless to stop him with Lum Berry in tow, Gastrodon is still 2HKOed by a +2 Focus Blast, and Water-types will still tremble in fear of his awesome might. The only real difference is the annoying paralysis rate that kicks in when you try to send in something like Scarf Hydreigon, and the ability to stay in for more KOs on Electric-neutral targets if it hasn't used Nasty Plot yet.
Most people wouldn't have a problem checking or walling your Prankster set, but when he has a Nasty Plot up and you send in something slower, you'd better pray for that Focus Blast to miss or things will quickly get ugly.
i think partly what people question about these changes im guessing is that chomp, blaze, thund and exca all thrive in weather yet inducers remain ou because of how we determine the new balanced metagame, then out pops a clear skies tier.
while i voted do not ban for both because my outlook on the metagame is perhaps a little different, i agree excadrill strongly influenced it while thundurus had too many pros to its name for it to be passed up on the well built teams around it.
while i voted do not ban for both because my outlook on the metagame is perhaps a little different, i agree excadrill strongly influenced it while thundurus had too many pros to its name for it to be passed up on the well built teams around it.
well the mole is gone so now it's no where NEAR as required to have aqua jet\mach punch on every team I make, but most of the time I never really minded the mole. I never really found it too hard to work around. Heck sand in itself I found is the easiest weather imo to work around followed in difficulty by hail, sun, rain in that order.
I agree, For me, Tyranitar is more annoying(specially to Bounce back hazards with Espeon/Xatu fearing Crunch) than Excadrill.
But the most teams I have faced the past four months were Drizzle, Drought and weatherless.
I've faced like this: Drizzle>>>>>>>>SandStorm>>Drought/weatherless>>>Hail, though.
I have seldom seen Tangrowth in OU, really.
Landorus also has troubles against Bronzong unless he carries Smack Down.
@ SJCrew I agree with you. I don't understand why too people think so. Thundurus does not care about weather. Obviously in Rain is better with 30% paralysis rate Thunder, but the other player can change the weather and leave you with an another shaky move with 70% accuracy(like Focus(read Suck) Blast)
He also dislikes being outspeed from those Chrollophyllers and Excadrill, but what pokemon does not?
It is not another Excadrill, which without SandStorm is crippled.
NP set is to me, the best set of him by far.
Landorus also has troubles against Bronzong unless he carries Smack Down.
@ SJCrew I agree with you. I don't understand why too people think so. Thundurus does not care about weather. Obviously in Rain is better with 30% paralysis rate Thunder, but the other player can change the weather and leave you with an another shaky move with 70% accuracy(like Focus(read Suck) Blast)
He also dislikes being outspeed from those Chrollophyllers and Excadrill, but what pokemon does not?
It is not another Excadrill, which without SandStorm is crippled.
NP set is to me, the best set of him by far.
Just keep SR up. Not that hard...
Anyways, I'm extremely disappointed for other reasons. I think the voters jumped the gun on these bans. Thundurus for one was fairly easy to handle. All the ground waters could deal with it, Jirachi to an extent, and it was freakishly easy to revenge kill. Excadrill on the other hand was just going to get more and more checks and counters. It already got Alakazam who would've most certainly made HO more playable, and it'll likely get Techniloom soon too. I would've given Exca a little more time.
Dragonite isn't that broken, since if he loses his Multiscale he can be easily ko'd with an ice or rock move. Breaking his Multiscale isn't that hard to do, it just depends on what item he has. If he has lefties, then any status will either cripple him (paralysis or burn) or break his Multiscale (poison). If he has a Lum Berry, then any damaging weather (SS or Hail) will do the trick. Plus, don't forget Stealth Rock.
subroost and max atk/spe lum ddnite make it a very different ballgame than you think it would.
That's not that tough to beat. Skarmory or a Heatran with Roar can take care of him.
You'll be in deep shit once that Nite is the last pokémon, however.
I used a team with Lum DDnite. It beat Skarmory once it was the last Pokemon. Skarmory.
Tangrowth beats that set so badly. Seriously, if you don't have Tspikes up, you're going to cry when you see him in the team viewer.
And I sincerely hope you're not running Lum Berry with SubRoost. Lum Berry and Substitute are redundant and Sand won't allow you to keep Multiscale going.
Okay, why has Excadrill been banned instead of Sand Rush + Sand Stream? Surely, after the Swift Swim + Drizzle ban, this shows an inconsistency in the process that should have been sorted out before the ban was implemented. It's pretty clear, imo, that either Sand Rush + Sand Stream should have been banned, or there should have been an official questioning of Aldaron's Proposal, resulting in its undoing and the ban of Kingdra, Ludicolo, Kabutops etc. (or perhaps even Politoed), after which Excadrill could have been baned without question.
It seems to me that the majority of people who nominated and voted for Excadrill instead of nominating and voting for Sand Rush + Sand Stream would probably have disagreed with Aldaron's Proposal anyway; so surely this should have been sorted out before Excadrill was banned at all? Surely nobody is suggesting that Excadrill was banned primarily for reasons other than its speed? I really think Aldaron's proposal needs to be questioned pretty much immediately, because it's looking pretty silly at the moment.
(Also, it's a bit of a shame that Excadrill is no longer available as a Sand Power CB'er or as a Sand Check for rain/sun/antiweather teams, like Kingdra still is :( )
It seems to me that the majority of people who nominated and voted for Excadrill instead of nominating and voting for Sand Rush + Sand Stream would probably have disagreed with Aldaron's Proposal anyway; so surely this should have been sorted out before Excadrill was banned at all? Surely nobody is suggesting that Excadrill was banned primarily for reasons other than its speed? I really think Aldaron's proposal needs to be questioned pretty much immediately, because it's looking pretty silly at the moment.
(Also, it's a bit of a shame that Excadrill is no longer available as a Sand Power CB'er or as a Sand Check for rain/sun/antiweather teams, like Kingdra still is :( )
oh boy here we go again
There was a reason for the Drizzle+SwSw ban, and it wasn't merely "I don't wanna see Kingdra banned ;__;". "Aldaron's proposal" is an exception for an excepcional scenario, and shouldn't set precedent. We may discuss undoing it and testing each Swimmer, banning a lot/all of them, banning Swift Swim (best idea imo, but who am I but a single player) or banning Drizzle altogether, but we won't do any more complex bans, specially for a SINGLE pokémon. That's playing favorites at its best.
There was a reason for the Drizzle+SwSw ban, and it wasn't merely "I don't wanna see Kingdra banned ;__;". "Aldaron's proposal" is an exception for an excepcional scenario, and shouldn't set precedent. We may discuss undoing it and testing each Swimmer, banning a lot/all of them, banning Swift Swim (best idea imo, but who am I but a single player) or banning Drizzle altogether, but we won't do any more complex bans, specially for a SINGLE pokémon. That's playing favorites at its best.
Man, I didnt actually want the mole banned but the metagame is more fun without him I have to say. What are your guys's opinions on sand rush sandslash? Will he also be banned once hes released?
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