np: UU Stage 3 - We Are The Champions

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Your team seems slow. Scarf would be a good edition. I prefer scarftini as he lives longer. Plus many people think he is slower than he really is after the v-create drops and leave a poke in to die. I've killed so many donphans that way.

Roserade is everywhere and will beat donphan with minimal prediction. Replace galvantual with nidoking? You still have great coverage. Two status immunties. No SR weak either and he absorbs t-spikes for you.

And if its specs grass attacks you are looking for Rotom-C and shaymin are on the table. Rotom is spike immune, trick if you're into that, and voltswitch for momentum. In this meta I would say shaymin has the better typing compared to eggy and natural cure. Better overall stats too. 80% chance to hit on seed flare kinds sucks at times.

EDIT: Oh, you just wanted to fit in chandy. Uh, I dont know if you could just substitute a member. I guess a scarf/choice chandy in place of darm to not lose a powerful fire attack.
EDIT 2: After looking over your team I think three SR weak pokemon is too much in this meta. Having two bugs types is also a liability with the resurgence of fire pokes (especially since they are slower than the common scarf fire types). The only 4x weak bug/flyer that I feel can really hold up in UU is Yanmega who plays a similar role to Galvantula. If you made that switch and got rid of darm for a strong choiced physical attacker you'd have a physical/special hole punching core and scyther can bat cleanup? Just my .02c (note, I'm not the greatest team rater)
 
SJCrew said:
Before you go to use Alakazam and resort straight to that 'you can't sweep me' sash, try Life Orb first. I'll bet you anything it's a lot more dangerous and can be useful to you the entire match.
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Have to agree, thanks to Magic Guard its just too easy to bluff a LO set and when you do rarely will you come away unscathed. There isn't much you can do to Zam cept smack it hard, even light hits can threaten the thing with OHKO's and at the very least it has no immunities so its never switching in for free unless you setup.

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I'd replace Eggy for Chand since I'm of opinion in this environment that its outclassed by LOZam or Chand for its role. Though that leaves you the problem of too many SR weak, I wouldn't suggest replacing Galvantula since you'd lose speed but Scyther is your only real physical offense. You might wanna replace one of your bugs first.
 
Wow Machamp is so strong. Your standard attacking lead Machamp with Lum Berry is pretty much a 6-5 lead in your favour unless your opponent has a REALLY strong Psychic or Flying attack (Brave Bird or Life Orb boosted Psychic). SashZam fails to OHKO with Psychic most of the time, while Machamp 2HKOs with Payback + Bullet Punch.
 
Alright then. Here's what I think I will do with my team.

Darmanitan is switched to Chandelure. Since sub Chandelure laughs at chansey, I can easily net a kill without loss. Leftovers can restore SR in no time in a stall war.

Galvantula, slowbro, and eggy stay. Galvantula and eggy have won me too many kills to just vanish from my team. Eggy is extraordinary when it comes to flat out attacking.

Scyther is getting switched out. In place I will put a physical pokemon that isn't weak to SR. Can someone help me with finding a good one?

Next I am thinking about switching up Donphan with Cryogonal. Yes, he's weak to SR, but he can spin it away, has decent stats, a decent movepool, and can RS rocks aways surprisingly. This is my opinion in changing it up, but what do you guys think?
 
You can try ScarfHeracross or ScarfFlygon, cause without darmanitan, you don't have a revenge killer now. Krookodile works well too.


I adapted an old team last night and i see that subddkingdra is pretty well in this metagame. Is not very difficult to set up a sub with all those fire-type attacks and then dragondancing safely or hitting the foe directly. I had a score of 7-1 (is not very good, but i was so tired, shouldnt have drink -___-), and i was only beaten by a darmanitan so gimmicky set.

This darmanitan carried focuspunch/encore/fireblitz/idk. It encores my kingdra while dragon dancing and the rest was for lols. It really surprised me, i already knew that he learns that move but not that it was being used. Have anyone more tested the real viability of this puncher set with encore? I mean, its effective the first time because of surprise factor, but then....
 
Sounds interesting. The only prob I see is it being attacked by a set upper right off the bat. Sometimes people get gutsy and decide to attack right away knowing they outspeed and a flare blitz can KO. Their only hope is that attack. Then they get encored into attacking again.... lol.
 
Agility Empoleon, is amazing. Its quite bulky even without a ton SDef Ev's. And it has a nice surprise factor because everyone thinks its the standard support set. Plus it makes a decent rain 'check' (I use the term loosely) since outside of HP Electric all they can do is fire off boosted water moves (which will hurt obv) but empoleon can just Grass knot them back.
 
sadly many rain abusers are very light (or just dont care about unSTABed grass attacks *ludi, tornadus, kingdra*)
 
You could try posting a RMT, it's probably easier to critique that way.

By the way Jabba is there any indication whatsoever of when this stage will end?
 
M Dragon told me in a spanish forum that they were discussing about changing the way to ban/decide suspects. He also said that it will be a suspect testing not very long time from this point. Still i dont have any idea of when it will happen.

Empoleon is a decent rain check, but i fuck them all with armaldo :D Btw, trollfreak trolls again, armaldo has swift swim but it cannot use any water attack with this ability (Aqua Tail is exclusive of 4 gen, and the others are special and suck). I wanted to use aqua tail armaldo to be able to defeat those annoying fight and ground types (mainly machamp, donphan an hippowdon) who wall armaldo then.
 
DestinyUnknown said:
I adapted an old team last night and i see that subddkingdra is pretty well in this metagame. Is not very difficult to set up a sub with all those fire-type attacks and then dragondancing safely or hitting the foe directly. I had a score of 7-1 (is not very good, but i was so tired, shouldnt have drink -___-), and i was only beaten by a darmanitan so gimmicky set.
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I too have been using SubDDKinga to success. He has good setup opportunities but I use him more for midgame hole punching. Even at +1 he is outsped by common scarfers. Too many times has a scarfgon switched in on my DD. I tun lefties so I often switch out and try for another sweep later.

Next I'm going to try RD mixed LO though. The huge speed (Something like 530) + the double stab threatens to wreck right off the bat with some hazard support. Actually, now that I talk about it, that set sounds much better for "hole-punching" than the SubDD set which seems more suited toward sweeping. I'll need to think of good partners to handle Bulky waters and company.
 
Bisharp: Let it get to +2, and it wrecks everything. Sucker Punch is crazy, and toxic immunity prevents one from stalling it out.
Porygon-2: This thing just does too much walling. It has a ton of bulk, and a great form of instant recovery. You pretty much need to keep your fighting type alive to beat, as not even stuff like Scarf Darmanitan can 2HKO it.
Snow Cloak/Froslass: Either one works, just lessen the hax.

Also, I guess it is kind of relaxing just to play.
 
Mario With Lasers said:
It's better when people focus on playing instead of "testing". Let us all just play the game for now.
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This is a blatant lie. The less testing there is, the less competition. In other words, shitty players abound right now. It is iditiotically easy to ladder right now and it should not be so easy.
 
Breludicolo said:
This is a blatant lie. The less testing there is, the less competition. In other words, shitty players abound right now. It is iditiotically easy to ladder right now and it should not be so easy.
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I'm saying people shouldn't demand suspect testing that much. We will have the chance to question some pokémon's UU status down the line, that's for certain, but we should focus on playing the game for now instead of "oh hey what rating will we need to vote?".
 
LMK said:
Next I'm going to try RD mixed LO though. The huge speed (Something like 530) + the double stab threatens to wreck right off the bat with some hazard support. Actually, now that I talk about it, that set sounds much better for "hole-punching" than the SubDD set which seems more suited toward sweeping. I'll need to think of good partners to handle Bulky waters and company.
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Well, i have tried mixkingdra and it doesn't work so good to me. I run the exact evs to outspeed not +Spe nature scarfed 100's, and put kingdra with naughty nature and the rest of the ev's on atk and spatk. I run outrage/waterfall/hidropump/dracometeor. Actually, this doesnt break havoc as well as i thought, because even going mixed, chansey walls the set (and with +atk nature and a ton of evs on atk), and other bulky waters such as suicune stands at any attack throwed by the dragon. At least, it can 2HKO some milotic versions.


And thats my experience in using 80 spe evs (if i remember correctly) kingdra. So if you try to run max speed it would be even weaker :S. Also, running my kingdra has the huge drawback that i cannot tie with others swift swim kingdra.

Try and let us now how it works for you.

And for getting rid of water types while also beneficiating of rain, ludicolo is a good partner obviously.
 
Breludicolo said:
This is a blatant lie. The less testing there is, the less competition. In other words, shitty players abound right now. It is iditiotically easy to ladder right now and it should not be so easy.
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Dude chill. It's pokemon. It is a game. This is how it's supposed to be. Play a tournament or something.
 
My opinions as of now on some big names:
Chandelure: It can be annoying when it switches in because I don't know what set its running, but once I know that, its pretty easy to play around, and I don't even have a dedicated check or counter on my team. I pretty much just punch it in the face/don't give it a chance to switch into battle.

Darmanitan: I haven't seen it anyone using it right really. Several separate times I've run into this weird Sub/Focus Punch/Fire Punch/Encore which really lacks power, and it was easy to defeat. Not that I anticipate it being a huge problem otherwise, but I have to give that disclaimer.

Alakazam: Amazing. I'm using a LO wall breaker, and break walls it does. Its hard to get a switch in, but in my almost hyper offense team, switching on the KO isn't bad. Once in, it can take down slower pokemon after slower pokemon, which is a lot of the metagame.

Tornadus: No pera rain makes him not as dangerous, as he can't just come in and Hurricane spam like theres no tomorrow. Frailty isn't helped his case. I'm waiting to run into flight jewel acrobatics, its seems like its only dangerous once, but maybe not?

Machamp: Again, amazing. I ran an Sp Def one on an early fail team, but it countered hail really well. I haven't really used it since, but facing it is plenty annoying. Maybe I'll resurrect the Machamp Jirachi dou with Togekiss later.

Sand: I've only faced a few sand teams, which were actually pretty underwhelming. Alakazam dispatched many of the members with Grass Knot, only really fearing Gligar and Stoutland (I'm sure there are others he can't beat, Cradily somes to mind, but this was for this team), and Stoutland was out-hyper-offense'd by me. Hippodown is a huge step up, but sand seems pretty kosher.
 
Update on my quest to make a Zen Mode Darmanitan set :D!

I have concluded that Flame Charge is the only viable path for him.
-Substitute isnt good because your sub will be broken quickly and you are still slow.
-Belly Drum possibly could have worked, but then your HP is cut and you are still slow.

Zen Mode is slow, this is the problem. Although he gets better defenses in zen, his hp at max (definately use max hp) is about 200. Therefore, if you go bulky, you could perhaps take ONE moderately powerful attack before dying. So the best way to ensure survivability is to be fast, outspeed and kill things so you don't have to worry, and maybe live through one hit that gets through.

This does depend on forcing a switch for some more setup time with flame charge, but that is relatively easy with the threat darmanitan resembles.

Stay tuned..
 
Banedon said:
By the way Jabba is there any indication whatsoever of when this stage will end?
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It's going to be based around the announcement of the admins, so Jabba can't really do anything to speed it up.

Relax, play the game for a bit.

Breludicolo said:
This is a blatant lie. The less testing there is, the less competition. In other words, shitty players abound right now. It is iditiotically easy to ladder right now and it should not be so easy.
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"Then why aren't you #1?"

Besides your logic being unsound, the ladder isn't especially weak, it's just not broken. Your point of comparison is last metagame with hail, a team that was significantly harder to beat then the "average" team you play.
 
guys try mixed RDKingdra + Offensive Roserade. They work SO well together. Throw in darmanitan, or chandelure if using toxic spikes. This is a truly effective core. I punch holes with kingdra, kill bulky waters with roserade and clean up with scarfed darmanitan. Machamp/heracross take out chansey
 
Heysup said:
It's going to be based around the announcement of the admins, so Jabba can't really do anything to speed it up.

Relax, play the game for a bit.
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Actually this UU round is all on me. Within the next couple days I'll post what I plan on doing with this round so keep your eyes open and ladder as much as you can.
 
Sub No Guard Machamp works great! I sweep whole teams with it, especially with even one bit of confuse hax.
 
So I've been using this rhyperior set, pretty standard except the evs are enough to outspeed base 60s (empoleon) Its been extremely helpful since most empoleon stay in thinking they can outspeed, while you just 0hko with eq, ill list the evs in a second but its a lefties number.


edit: evs 76 hp 252 att 176 speed adamant
rock blast/earthquake/mega horn/stealth rock
 
Anybody else having great success with Blastiose? I use him as a dedicated spinner with restalk/scald/rapid spin and he's been very good at keeping hazards off the field.
 
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