Non OU Pokemon in OU? MADNESS!

archyboy

EDITED WITH BETTER DESCRIPTIONS
Changes:
Got rid of Ninjask replaced with gorebyss
Changed Arbok held item to Air Balloon
Changed Cacturne moveset
Changed Scarf for Specs on Shandera
Moved around EVs of Nosepass for better defense

Alright so I hate using OU pokemon for the sole reason that it's boring facing very similar teams every single time. I decided to just use UU and under in a team and make it work in OU.

Note: I use the english translated version of pokemon white since I hate the english names of the pokemon so somethings may be the translated names

This team needs work, mainly because I want this team to work with arbok. I am willing to replace everything except arbok as long as it is UU, BL2, RU, or NU. Though I would much rather find a replacement in NU.

Threatlist: Scizor(If Quaggy somehow dies early), Gliscor(only Shandera can own it in one go, then it is just a stall war between it and quag), Heatran(Arbok is the only one with EQ), and Milotic is annoying to kill.

Anyways on to the team.

Gorebyss@Leftovers
Swift Swim
Modest
6hp/252sp.atk/252 speed
-shell smash
-ice beam
-HP electric
-Surf

Not much experience with Gorebyss but thanks to KorKonT's suggestion it might work great with the team. It provides much needed coverage with the electric/ice combo and can tank water and ice attacks which my team lacked. Will provide a better description when tested more thoroughly.

Cacturne@Leftovers(NU)
Sand Veil
adamant
6hp/252atk/252def
-focus punch
-substitute
-Sucker Punch
-leech seed

Changed the set to a sub-punch-seed. Leech Seed is to force a switch or get a heal for a free sub. The punches provide some great coverage when I can just focus punch then follow up with a sucker punch for a KO. Might switch Leech Seed for Swords Dance depending on how it plays out.

Quagsire@Leftovers(NU)
Unaware
relaxed
252hp/252def/6sp.def
-Boiling Water
-Earthquake
-Yawn
-Recover

Deals with Setup pokemon and is just boss. Quagsire stalls and can take a beating, unaware allows it to tank a +6 Scizor with ease or any other stat boosters. Boiling Water is just to burn and Yawn is to force a switch. EQ is my only stab and Recover is to stall more.

Arbok@Air Balloon(NU)
Intimidate
Adamant
6hp/252atk/252speed
-Glare
-Poison Jab
-Seed Bomb
-Eathquake

Looks badass and can do decent damage. Adamant is so it can 1hko ninetales. Glare is to paralyze anything. Not much to say about this guy really, he is my main source of physical damage but with so many entry hazards I find it hard to even switch him in since his focus sash becomes useless. Most people do not expect much from Arbok but it has been able to deal with most threats like celebi and heatran. They do not expect much from Arbok and usually try to setup on it. I changed it to air balloon to be able to switch into ground attacks.

Nosepass@Evolution Stone(NU? no idea)
Sturdy
Sassy
6hp/252def/252sp.def
-pain split
-toxic
-stealth rocks
-thunder wave

just above 500 sp.def and around 520 def. Can take a beating and can just pain split to live. My only real source of tanking on this team. It can stall really well and can also provide status effects. Toxic is for walls and Thunderwave is just for nuisances that need to be slowed down. If there is anything better than this besides Chansey(I personally hate Chansey and all her evolutions) I would be all ears. Moved the EVs around losing around 18 hp to be able to tank more physical moves.

Shandera@Choice Specs(UU)
Shadow Tag
Modest
-Overheat
-energy ball
-shadow ball
-HP Fighting

Deals with Netoori and Scizor easily and any other nuisances I need dead. I just switch in and kill them with their inability to switch. Changed Flamethrower to Overheat since it seemed like I was getting only one flamethrower off anyways. Changed HP to fighting to provide better coverage versus dark types. HP Ice seemed to be useful against gliscor mainly which I have Gorebyss for now.

Still needs more testing but this seems to be the team makeup for now. Gorebyss might be switched out for a Sheer Force Nidoking or a Clefable depending on how it works with the team.
 
Wanting to use underrated but still effective threats because it catches your opponents by surprise is commendable. Wanting to use strictly NU or whatever tier because you want to prove a point is not. There is nothing cool about using bad Pokemon because you want to be creative.

Likewise, your descriptions need some serious expansion.

But my biggest piece of advice would be: rethink this team's concept. Because quite frankly, a team of Ninjask/Cacturne/Quagsire/Arbok/Nosepass/Chandelure is not winning you games.

I don't mean to sound rude or harsh, but this sort of thing irritates me. Honestly? Nosepass? >.<.
 
Honestly these descriptions are horrible. Explain in 4/5 sentences why you chose that pokemon over something else in the metagame, why the ev's/natures/moveset and what the pokemon is for your team. Plus the team aint the greatest. Fighting most people who are experienced in competitive battling, a match against them would last shorter then Kim Kardashians marriage(which is very short).
 
blarajan said:
Wanting to use underrated but still effective threats because it catches your opponents by surprise is commendable. Wanting to use strictly NU or whatever tier because you want to prove a point is not. There is nothing cool about using bad Pokemon because you want to be creative.

Likewise, your descriptions need some serious expansion.

But my biggest piece of advice would be: rethink this team's concept. Because quite frankly, a team of Ninjask/Cacturne/Quagsire/Arbok/Nosepass/Chandelure is not winning you games.

I don't mean to sound rude or harsh, but this sort of thing irritates me. Honestly? Nosepass? >.<.
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It is not to be creative nor is it to prove a point. I just want a team of pokemon that does not follow the mainstream pokemon. I have seen Scizor nearly every match I have had and THAT irritates me. Calling something "bad" is merely an opinion. I can call black licorice bad and my friend can say it's great. Nothing will change about that.

Thanks for the tip of increase my descriptions though, I will get right on it.
 
I would just move down to UU, the team really can't dent the threat of weather in the OU metagame. Chandelure(Shandera) is not a good choice for a scarf, as it is one of the slowest pokemon in the UU tier. It's like putting a Choice Specs on Machamp. Blissey makes a far more superior special wall compared to Nosepass and is in the UU tier. Arbok would be good to be replaced with something along the lines of Heracross. The current metagame has too many counters to Baton Pass, there's a reason Ninjask went from OU to NU.
Overall its a team that can't do anything in OU and won't win in UU.

Also, your RMT needs more detail. It will be closed otherwise.
 
KorKonT said:
I would just move down to UU, the team really can't dent the threat of weather in the OU metagame. Chandelure(Shandera) is not a good choice for a scarf, as it is one of the slowest pokemon in the UU tier. It's like putting a Choice Specs on Machamp. Blissey makes a far more superior special wall compared to Nosepass and is in the UU tier. Arbok would be good to be replaced with something along the lines of Heracross. The current metagame has too many counters to Baton Pass, there's a reason Ninjask went from OU to NU.
Overall its a team that can't do anything in OU and won't win in UU.

Also, your RMT needs more detail. It will be closed otherwise.
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It has actually proven to be formidable in OU. It is usually me overpredicting that loses me the game. Would you suggest specs instead of scarf on shandera?
 
Specs would benefit it much more. Also, the team would most likely have much more success in UU, so instead of trying to prove a point you could try your luck at UU too. You will also get more valid help by posting this RMT in UU, because some people in the OU subforum don't know proper UU teams.
EDIT: Also, threatlists always help, that could be a good next step as this is a slow paced place once it goes past 8:00 PM EST most of the time.
 
KorKonT said:
Specs would benefit it much more. Also, the team would most likely have much more success in UU, so instead of trying to prove a point you could try your luck at UU too. You will also get more valid help by posting this RMT in UU, because some people in the OU subforum don't know proper UU teams.
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Still not seeing how I am trying to prove a point :\ As I stated before I just want a team of pokemon that I can personally find enjoyable to use in OU. I am not trying to prove anything at all. What about Nosepass is so ungodly about it btw?
 
I desagree with removing scarf from Shandera, In my experience, Scarfed Shandy outspeeds a ton of stuff, and can easily clear teams. But, while I don't know this, isn't Shandy like, the most used pokemon in DW because of shadow tag? it wouldn't be UU then.

And Nosepass, although it can take hits surprisingly well, I think it's best done under Sandstorm. but in the case you don't change that, you should max out your defense EVs, so it will ensure that you get more defensive investment, which will prove to be better than the extra 10 or so HP.

Quagsire is a pretty good set, although I believe that is a fairly standard set. And I give you props for using Arbok and Cacturne, as I really like them, but Cacturne is definitely outclassed, and everyone and there mother runs Earthquake in OU, so Arbok will just not have fun. If you refuse to get rid of them, get rid of Rash on Cacturne. Cacturne is badly defensive, having lower speed will do it no help. Arbok could use an Air Baloon or something, or since his defenses aren't terribly pathetic, you can use some kind of defensive set to some kind of effect maybe. Baton Pass is a solid strategy, so it should be fine.

It's very hard to find the lower ranked pokemon usable in the higher tiers, but it is definitely possible, so don't give up. I once had a team that's most useful members were Minun, Misdreavus, and Meganium. And I won too, i didnt fail too badly.
 
Nosepass' typing is pure rock. This typing is terrible for special walls. It also has an unuseful movepool with lacking stats in everything else. Typing is the main reason the Regi's never get used. Blissey would be better in many ways:
1. Higher Special Defense
2. More movepool options
3. Better defensive typing.
Among other reasons. Using UU and NU is fine to a point, but you shouldn't bottleneck your team by using ONLY those for an OU team. Try popping in only 1 or 2 OU. It'll give you that sense of accomplishment without being unreasonable.

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risenreturn said:
I desagree with removing scarf from Shandera, In my experience, Scarfed Shandy outspeeds a ton of stuff, and can easily clear teams. But, while I don't know this, isn't Shandy like, the most used pokemon in DW because of shadow tag? it wouldn't be UU then.

And Nosepass, although it can take hits surprisingly well, I think it's best done under Sandstorm. but in the case you don't change that, you should max out your defense EVs, so it will ensure that you get more defensive investment, which will prove to be better than the extra 10 or so HP.

Quagsire is a pretty good set, although I believe that is a fairly standard set. And I give you props for using Arbok and Cacturne, as I really like them, but Cacturne is definitely outclassed, and everyone and there mother runs Earthquake in OU, so Arbok will just not have fun. If you refuse to get rid of them, get rid of Rash on Cacturne. Cacturne is badly defensive, having lower speed will do it no help. Arbok could use an Air Baloon or something, or since his defenses aren't terribly pathetic, you can use some kind of defensive set to some kind of effect maybe. Baton Pass is a solid strategy, so it should be fine.

It's very hard to find the lower ranked pokemon usable in the higher tiers, but it is definitely possible, so don't give up. I once had a team that's most useful members were Minun, Misdreavus, and Meganium. And I won too, i didnt fail too badly.
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Chandelure is UU because it isn't used on standard ladder. Dream World doesn't count and isn't considered normal play. Chandelure's speed makes it incapable of stopping what revenge killers are for: Revenge. If it can't stop say, chlorophyll Sawsbuck or another fast sweeper, it isn't revenging much of anything, now is it? Focus Sash Chandelure(with proper spin support) might work for revenging, however.
 
I agree with KorKonT. Add 1 or 2 OUs. Most of your pokemon will get raped in OU without A LOT of support. Quagsire fine. Switch HPice to HPfighting on Chandelure. Switch Cacturne's set to substitute/sword dance/sucker punch/focus punch or seed bomb. I never limit myself to one tier, but don't overdo it.
 
I agree with tikidude on the changes. Cacturne's set should probably be changed to the one above, with HPfighting on chandelure. If you make the above changes, I would do this to help your weaknesses:
-My suggestion is to replace Ninjask with an OU, preferrably something with the Electric+Ice Beam combo. Good Pokemon that can do this are:
Gorebyss(Shell Smash + Baton pass while still being able to hit at a crazy 700+ sp. atk after one boost, similar to ninjask in usage. Also is UU)
Latios/Latias(Latias for defensive support, Latios for crazy attack support. Both have access to Psyshock, which helps a ton.)
Besides BoltBeam, there's other viable pokemon to use. Such as Gliscor, which would in most cases be able to dead-stop most physical attackers. You also might want to try a Special-defense reuniclus with HP fire. This would be capable of killing all your threats if you even the EVs correctly.
 
I was thinking of a boltbeam sheerforce nidoking or a clefable to replace ninjask actually. If I add Gorebyss I lack the boltbeam coverage unless I use HP lightning.
 
Gorebyss hits a crazy special stat after a shell smash(700s IIRC), meaning HP electric, as long as its super effective, WILL get the kill. I used it all the time and it never failed to kill say, Vaporeon or Skarmory.
 
Alright I updated the current team with changes to everyone but Quagsire. Going to be testing this team out.

edit: Team seems to be working very well with the changes. I now have a ground immunity which is very helpful and arbok is actually able to do damage instead of right out dying now.
 
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