Overheated - Standard OU RMT

[Tayla]

Finally, after two years gone, I've decided to try and worm my way back into competitve battling! I've never had a special knack for it, possibly because I've never had the time to practice or really truly invent a team that was able to cover itself well. I'm considering going in for Battling 101, and if I'm allowed, I'd like to use this team, or a variant of its members. I created this team for that prospect, to go ahead and get a little team building in. So I present to the lovely users of RMT:

Team Overheat !​

My first team member, and the inspiration for this theme (unsurprisingly), is Heatran. Heatran's always been a favorite of mine. It's an amazing mon for having such a glaring weakness in Ground, plus its stats are not too shabby in either department. I chose OverheaTran because of its sheer power. In today's metagame, not many people expect to see Heatran both with Overheat, and the item I chose to equip it with: Choice Specs. Specs Tran deals awesome amounts of damage, especially under the Sun, which is farily common.​

In my past battling experience, I knew that Pokemon with Specs appreciate fast Pokemon that work in tandem with them as cleaners. I considered putting Starmie or Jolteon in this place but I ultimately decided upon Latios. With its Life Orb, Latios achieves great damage output. Its Base 110 Speed Stat is comfortably fast, and not many Pokemon can withstand its constant Draco Meteors. Surf is also a great move, as Rain is also common in OU. Hidden Power Fire rounds off the coverage, for things like Ferrothorn or Skarmory.​

The next teammate I chose to support Latios, as well as act as a Fighting resistance for Heatran. Gliscor is a fun Pokemon to play with. Taunt is a gem in Gliscor's moveset, easily dismantling Pokemon like Skarmory, Ferrothorn, Scizor, and even other Gliscor. I chose Facade over Ice Fang, as I find Facade deals greater damage over the course of the match. Ice Fang itself isn't sorely needed on my team, as opposing Dragons are generally dealt with by Latios. Facade also deals more damage against Skarmory, and works just as well versus other Gliscor. Gliscor is a great check to Pokemon like Tyranitar and Scizor, who give Latios some trouble. Latios returns this favor by helping Gliscor with Pokemon such as Rotom-W.​

Wish support from Blissey is just awesome. What with Wish's new mechanics this year, Blissey is capable of fully healing my entire team. She's great at sponging Special attacks that Gliscor and Latios can't deal with, while also being helped out with her Fighting weakness by Gliscor.​

Where would Blissey be without her good buddy Skarmory? Skarm is here to dole out Spikes, and she is awesome. She takes attacks from Physical Pokemon such as Scizor and Gliscor like a champ. I love Whirlwind on this team because it's usually very easy to stack up entry hazards. I find Brave Bird on Skarmory to be surprisingly powerful against opponents who think they can stay in and setup on it.​

The second pink blob I decided on was Jellicent. I realized entry hazards were an essential asset to this team. Heatran scores 2HKOs and OHKOs with them, as does Latios and Gliscor. So, I needed a spin blocker that also was able to take Water and Ice type attacks easily. Jellicent is also a great status spreader with Will-O-Wisp at its disposal. Oftentime, she easily gets the upper hand on Ferrothorn with burn and Taunt, which allows Pokemon like Gliscor or Skarmory to set up either offensively, or hazards.​

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Jirachi has since replaced Blissey. While Jirachi isn't as bulky as Blissey, its resistances play a key part in helping out its teammates. Jirachi easily spreads paralysis, while also setting up valuable SR without sacrificing anything. ParaFlinch is very nasty, allowing Jirachi to win some one-on-ones it otherwise would lose.

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I replaced Jellicent with Gastrodon, and so far Gastrodon has synergized much better with its teammates than Jellicent did. Though I miss the Fighting immunity, and the trolling of Infernape, Gastrodon has effectively countered all forms of Water-types. Toxic is great here.​

This rounds out my team. I've had great success with it on PO's server. I've not yet wandered into the rated ladder with it, as I'm trying to perfect it.​

Heatran (M) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Overheat
- Earth Power
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power Grass

I realize Toxic is a weird choice here, and am highly considering replacing it with Hidden Power Grass. I initially had Flamethrower in the fourth slot, but foud I never used it. Toxic's a fun way to mislead your opponent, but usually I simply use a coverage move such as Dragon Pulse.

EDIT: Replaced Toxic with HP Grass. So far, I haven't been in a situation I sorely need it.

Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers​

Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Roost
- Whirlwind
- Brave Bird

Standard Skarmory here, except with Brave Bird over Taunt. This prevents Skarmory from being Taunt bait itself, while Brave Bird deals good damage to Pokemon that Skarmory could beat otherwise.

Latios (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Recover


Latios is, as stated above, my cleaner. I'm considering possibly changing Lati to a Choice Scarf set, to serve better as a revenge killer, as well as beat out +1 Dragonite. However, so far Latios has functioned well in its role, and I'm quite happy with it.

Gliscor (F) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Taunt
- Facade

Gliscor is quite possibly my favorite Pokemon on the team. It does so much so well.. It beats Pokemon like Conkeldurr easily, and becomes quite powerful after a Swords Dance. Again, Facade over Ice Fang, it's much more consistent.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 216 SDef / 40 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Iron Head
- Body Slam
- Wish
- Stealth Rock

Jirachi is my replacement for Blissey, and so far it's worked wonderfully. It's awesome at taking Rock-, Ice-, and Dragon-type moves. I finally have room for Stealth Rock without sacrificing anything big. Jirachi operates wonderfully as a Wish Passer.

Gastrodon-Ea (Gastrodon-East) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Toxic
- Earth Power
- Recover

Excellent versus Rotom-W, and assorted Water-types. Gastrodon also helps with the Dragons, such as Latios, and does an effective job passing Toxic around. Overall, a better Pokemon for my team than Jellicent, though I sometimes miss Burn.


Overall, I'm familiar with my threats and am mainly looking for criticism so I can improve on the team. I sometimes have trouble with bulky Waters, such as Vaporeon and opposing Jellicent, as I really have no way of damaging them besides brute force. Blissey is capable of taking on Vaporeon, but Jellicent is unaffected by both Scald from my own, and Seismic Toss on Blissey. This is usually rectified by pure power from Latios, and good use of entry hazards. I've played about thirty or fourty matches with this team, and I've grown quite comfortable with it. However, if anyone sees anything changeable or wrong, help perfecting it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for reading!

 

[danilo]

Gliscor seems incredibly mediocre in this metagame right now, especially since rain teams are a lot more common now. Try using something like Slowbro instead, but the problem with that is it makes your team weaker to Rotom-W. No need for toxic on heatran, i'd use hp grass or hp electric

 

[Tayla]

While that might be true, the rest of my team handles Rain easily enough. Gliscor checks many Pokemon who would otherwise give me trouble, such as Tyranitar, Scizor, and Conkeldurr.

I'll most likely switch to HP Grass on Heatran, thanks!

 

[Bruno Magno]

Gliscor checks many Pokemon who would otherwise give me trouble, such as Tyranitar, Scizor, and Conkeldurr.

Be careful at Ice Beam Tyranitar and Bulky DD Scizor, as they can 2HKO Gliscor

On Heatran, i suggest Hidden Power Ice, as Gliscor, Dragonite and Hydreigon are much common

 

[Honus]

Hey there, Tayla!

This is a really nice team you have. One problem I see with the team is that most variants of Reuniclus can give it a lot of trouble, and your only defense against it is to Taunt it with Gliscor or Jellicent. To absolve your weakness, retain Wish and continue to wall many of the metagame's special threats, you could replace Blissey with Specially Defensive Jirachi

Jirachi @ Leftovers
252 HP/216 SpD/40 Spe
Careful Nature
Trait: Serene Grace
-Iron Head
-Body Slam
-Protect
-Stealth Rock [You could also move SR to Skarm and use Protect in this slot]

 

[doughboy]

Hey there, Tayla!

This is a really nice team you have. One problem I see with the team is that most variants of Reuniclus can give it a lot of trouble, and your only defense against it is to Taunt it with Gliscor or Jellicent. To absolve your weakness, retain Wish and continue to wall many of the metagame's special threats, you could replace Blissey with Specially Defensive Jirachi

Jirachi @ Leftovers
252 HP/216 SpD/40 Spe
Careful Nature
Trait: Serene Grace
-Iron Head
-Body Slam
-Protect
-Stealth Rock [You could also move SR to Skarm and use Protect in this slot]

I support this suggestion, but make sure you have Wish instead of Protect :p

 

[Tayla]

On Heatran, i suggest Hidden Power Ice, as Gliscor, Dragonite and Hydreigon are much common

Overheat takes cares of Gliscor anyway, while Dragon Pulse is for the two Dragons. Is HP Ice the better way to go?


I'll definitely try Jirachi out, thanks guys!

 

[PromiscuosFrog]

I'd run HP Grass over HP Ice on Heatran, otherwise your team can have real problems with Gastrodon under the right circumstances, like if T-Spikes are up.

 

[Dragone]

On Heatran, i suggest Hidden Power Ice, as Gliscor, Dragonite and Hydreigon are much common

HP (Ice) on Heatran, have you lost it. Overheat already OHKOes Gliscor, and Dragonite + Hydreigon out-speed and OHKO with Earthquake and Surf respectively. Dragon Pulse already has the coverage for the switch, and HP (Grass) is needed for Gastrodon, Politoed, and the other slow water types. The only other viable HP type is electric, for the Gyarados coverage instead of the Gastrodon coverage.

 

[Bruno Magno]

Overheat already OHKOes Gliscor

I'm not sure, i'll check later. Then, after a Overheat you need to switch near always, that can be a problem

Dragonite + Hydreigon out-speed and OHKO with Earthquake and Surf respectively

Heatran should be Timid Specs, then is faster than both Bulky and Offensive DDNite, and, once Multiscale is broken, HP Ice is OHKO with every spread

HP (Grass) is needed for Gastrodon, Politoed, and the other slow water types

HP Electric is much better, as it's OHKO on Offensive DD Gyarados and still super-effective on Bulky Waters

 

[Tayla]

I'm not sure, i'll check later. Then, after a Overheat you need to switch near always, that can be a problem

252 Modest Specs Heatran's Overheat deals 134.7% - 158.8% to Standard Gliscor. Including the Sub set and the AcroFling set. Overheat also KOs 252 Specially defensive Gliscor in the sand with Stealth Rock support.

The point of Specs Heatran is to deal catastrophic damage to your opponent, then switch out. Besides, if I know the opponent has, say, a Ninetales, or something similar that is immune, simply use Earth Power. Overheat already deals ridiculous damage to things that resist it. Such as Gyarados and Politoed.

Heatran should be Timid Specs, then is faster than both Bulky and Offensive DDNite, and, once Multiscale is broken, HP Ice is OHKO with every spread

I'd rather not sacrifice power for Speed, when other Pokemon on my team are quite capable of taking on Dragonite. Heatran already deals 58% to the offensive set on the switchin. A 2HKO with rocks up, even with a -2 special attack drop.

HP Electric is much better, as it's OHKO on Offensive DD Gyarados and still super-effective on Bulky Waters

I'd rather run HP Grass. Gyarados is handled by Jellicent very well. There's not much Gyara can do, as after a burn it's basically neutered.



Speaking of Jellicent, I'm considering adding another Pokemon in its place, or replacing Skarmory with something like Roserade. Though I hate to lose Whirlwind, I find once Jellicent is dead, I have no real answer to Water types besides Heatran's HP Grass. All of my other Pokemon are weak to Ice Beam. Jirachi can usually hold up, but I have trouble sometimes if I need to switch Jirachi in repeatedly. Any suggestions?

 

[wraiders11]

HP Grass is so much better, a pokemon with a double weakness to ground and single weakness to water is begging ground/water types to switch in, giving them an excellent surprise and KO's them after a little residue damage (actual calcs depend on the defensive sets)

 

[Tayla]

Yeah I really have trouble with Water types in general.. lol. I'm not sure who to replace though.. every member of my team has a valuable fuction. I'd replace Jellicent, but the Burn status it brings to the table is invaluable. Skarmory is the phaser, almost like my glue. It's not replacable. Heatran is my power, Gliscor is my Taunter, Jirachi's my Wish passer / Special sponge. Latios maybe?

Latios and Heatran work well in tandem together. One tears a new one with its Spec, the other can quickly clean up. Perhaps Starmie would do well in Latios' spot? Starmie is also a good cleaner, and its quick Thunderbolts would help me versus Waters. Plus it can Rapid Spin.. Some help would be appreciated!

 

[FalknerLevel7Pidgey]

I agree with your decision of keeping Modest nature for your Choice Specs Heatran. It's not going to win speed battles vs. most Pokémon anytime soon, and as you said, the point is to find the right moment to send it out, deal catastrophic damage and then switch out.

Another way to deal with Reuniclus (since someone mentioned your team has a weakness to it), would be to replace Will-O-Wisp with Shadow Ball on your Jellicent. Will-O-Wisp and Scald seem a bit redundant. Plus, you'll have an answer to Ghost-types.

I know Scald's burn rate is significantly lower, so you'll have to decide if it's worth it.

Great team overall, though!

 

[Tayla]

That's true. I do have a little trouble with Gengar. I'll try Shadow Ball over WoW. Thanks!

 

[Dragone]

This is sad, 13 posts and only one of them is an actual rate (Karpman's Rate). I'm gonna go ahead and make this count up to two.

Rotom-W: Can do very heavy damage against Jellicent, and even Trick her, making her completely useless. Hydro Pump and Hidden Power (Ice) OHKO Gliscor and Latios respectively. Heatran is also OHKOed by Hydro Pump. Jirachi and Skarmory won't like taking Hydro Pumps and I'm pretty sure Skarmory is OHKOed in the rain with Rotom-W's Hydro Pump (If Sturdy is broken). Jirachi also won't like being Tricked or taking Hydro Pumps in the rain. The bottom line is you don't have anything to wall it or to KO it. I would either suggest replacing Jellicent with a grass type, or replace Jirachi back to Blissey. Blissey should have little to fear since you already have Skarmory and Gliscor as physical walls, plus the burn spamming with Jellicent will hurt physical attackers as well. Also if you go back to Blissey, Rotom-W will have to choose between Tricking Blissey or Jellicent. If you don't want to take a step back, then try replacing Jellicent with Celebi or Virizion. Virizion could offer fighting type moves, something that this team needs, and Celebi could offer Leech Seed and put more pressure on your foes to switch, racking up area hazard damage. If you want to keep your water type moves however, you could use Gastrodon, the best Rotom-W counter in the game. Test all suggestions to see what you like and what works best for you.

Latios: He can sweep most of your team, Jirachi is the only one who can really handle him. The already suggested Celebi can take most of opposing Latios' attacks rather well, and Gastrodon can take them even better. Jirachi "should" be able to handle Latios rather well, but after he is gone you have little to nothing that will stop him. You could always change your Latios to a Scarf set, but since you're cleaning with him that is probably not a good idea. Watch out for opposing Latios, and also be wary of Magnezone cleaners that can completely dispose of Jirachi so that Latios is free to sweep.

Tyranitar: Actually a minor threat, but can still pose major problems. 2HKOs Jellicent with Crunch, and Scald will do little damage, there is also a good chance that he'll get a sub up on the switch. Gliscor is OHKOed by Ice Beam, and Skarmory is OHKOed by Fire Blast (If Sturdy is broken). Heatran is OHKOed with Earthquake, and Tyranitar can take Surf from Latios rather well, and then Latios is OHKOed by Crunch. Jirachi won't like taking Earthquakes, but its superior speed and type advantage should prove a useful counter. Gastrodon and Virizion can wall and KO most Tyranitar sets with ease, so consider switching one of them for Jellicent.

Other Improvements: Use Expert Belt on Latios, since with Life Orb and Hail/Sand damage he is completely butchered. Test Ice Fang on Gliscor instead of Facade, since flying types aren't affected against Earthquake and Ice Fang is good on flying types.


Sets:

Celebi @ Leftovers
252 Hp/200 Def/52 Spe
Bold
-Giga Drain
-Hidden Power (Fire)
-Leech Seed
-Thunder Wave

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Virizion @ Leftovers
104 Atk/152 Sp. Atk/252 Spe
Hasty
-Work Up
-Close Combat
-Giga Drain
-Hidden Power (Ice)

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Gastrodon @ Leftovers
252 Hp/244 Def/12 Spe
Bold
-Scald
-Toxic
-Protect
-Recover


Feel free to test and tweak all the suggested sets, good luck Tayla
~Dragone

 

[Tayla]

Thank you Dragone! I've actually had success with unScarfed sets with Latios. Draco Meteor scores the KO on Rotom with LO. I'll test the Expert Belt, see how well Latios does with it.

I've actually used Gastrodon on another team of mine, and I like that he can utilize Toxic. I haven't used Celebi since 4th Gen, nor have I tried out Virizion. I think I'll try Gastrodon first. Though I might switch Protect with Earth Power.

 

[Tayla]

I tried Gastrodon first, and I have to say it's pretty amazing. It's filled the hole where the Water counter is supposed to be quite well. Though I must beware Toxic from Politoed, and I still have no real answer to Ghost-types in general. Jirachi handles Gengar pretty well, though.

Still need to playtest Celebi, and perhaps Virizion, but so far I'm quite happy with Gastrodon's performance.