How do you kill this? Rhyperior Discussion.

Jolteon Bpassing Agility to this thing would be a great idea. Jolteon would Attract Earthquakes which despite a weakness, Rhyperior could easily take. It would also attract the lights of Blissey and other Special Walls that would get their behinds kicked by Rhyperior. If He comes into that, he could even set up Sword Dance, and then it's almost garunteed GG. :)

Or you could go on the defensive side and use Vaporeon along side to absorb bulky waters and then wish back to Rhyperior if your opponent switches into an electric bearing poke. Only problem would be you would have to be one step ahead of your opponent prediction wise.
 
Mekkah said:
Your best bet, like with many many other Choice Banders, is to use multiple Pokemon and predict (or cross your fingers). Bronzong allows for lots of good company against Rhyperior - he resists Earthquake, Avalanche and Stone Edge while being neutral to Megahorn, and he can throw up a Reflect easily or Hypnosis/Toxic Rhyperior. Just get something like Gliscor and Celebi to go along with it and Rhyperior has a significantly harder time now.

Oh, and you got yourself quite an Ice weakness now, but luckily Bronzong resists that as well and you have 3 slots left!
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Yeah, and with those three or four slots, you need to try to contain Gyarados, Garchomp, and Tyranitar, plus numerous other Pokemon. It's impossible not to be left with a weakness to at least one of them.
 
A low-kick should be able to take it down. I think low-kick is an underused move, it actually works very well since alot heavy hitters are just that; heavy
 
xxxxRBGxxxx said:
A low-kick should be able to take it down. I think low-kick is an underused move, it actually works very well since alot heavy hitters are just that; heavy
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Too bad Rhyperior has such amazing defense, along with Solid Rock. Besides, barely anything that works has the move.
 
Don't forget Grass Rope, Low Kick's Special Grass equivalent. Seems some competitive sets are already packing it for Rhyperior.
 
Slickee said:
lawls, why do I have the feeling OU is going to be really really unpopular?
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Because you're being oversceptical, and also assume that a metagame is suddendly is not going to be enjoyed as much AND therefore not played as much if there's a handful of really good Pokemon out there. Really, Rhyperior isn't capable of making an entire metagame unenjoyable or something.
 
Currently breeding for Rhydons right now. Since a maximum of 3 IVs are passed, which flawless stats should I aim for?

I'm thinking HP/A/S for the CBer and HP/D/SD for the SDer. Any advice?
 
Rhyperior = on every team ever. If not, gg to everyone trying to beat it.

The way I see it is just go toe to toe, rhyperior vs rhyperior and hope you outlast.
 
Guys, I think this pogey is being overblown just a little... you all realise he has less Sp. Def than a bulbasaur right? He's certainly top tier OU material and then some but come on people... I'm pretty sure that a non-stab grass rope from a decent special attacker can take him down.
 
ekans dilos said:
Guys, I think this pogey is being overblown just a little... you all realise he has less Sp. Def than a bulbasaur right? He's certainly top tier OU material and then some but come on people... I'm pretty sure that a non-stab grass rope from a decent special attacker can take him down.
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yes but with Solid Rock you pretty much can't OHKO it even with STAB Water and Grass moves. With Stone Edge, EQ, and Megahorn, nothing is a safe switch into it either.

My solution is to move Rhyperior into the Uber tier, maybe there are some actual counters for it there?
 
It's pretty difficult to OHKO Blissey and Umbreon too you know when you are hitting their stronger defensive stats, like you seem to be doing with rhyperior.

If it can't switch in it isn't a threat, so if you have like a starmie on your team chances are it will be risky to switch in. Stop trying to OHKO a wall ffs and settle for a managable 2hko because he is still a slow shit.
 
FarmerWithShotgun said:
It's pretty difficult to OHKO Blissey and Umbreon too you know when you are hitting their stronger defensive stats, like you seem to be doing with rhyperior.

If it can't switch in it isn't a threat, so if you have like a starmie on your team chances are it will be risky to switch in. Stop trying to OHKO a wall ffs and settle for a managable 2hko because he is still a slow shit.
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Except Starmie is OHKOd my Megahorn which will be on virtually all Rhyperiors.
 
FarmerWithShotgun said:
I never said to switch it in -_-.

Hit and make it run. Look at it's special defense. Just because it isn't OHKOd doesnt mean its broken.
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If you aren't killed by Rhyperior's response, that is. The way I see it it looks like at least one sacrifice will need to be made in order to kill this thing reliably.
 
AG Flygon might be able to take it on with immunity to Ground, resistance to Rock, neutrality to Bug. The problem is that Rhyperior's massive HP and Hard Rock make Earth Power just shy from a OHKO. Not sure about this, calcs would be appreciated. Of course, Sandstream would make it a real bitch to kill.

Not even sure how many EVs it needs to survive two CB STAB Stone Edges from a 140 base power attack.
 
Just use Hydro pump Swampert or something. You should be able to take a hit and easily OHKO it back with Pumps. If it kills you with CBQuake, use that and send out Azelf and start Nasty Plotting or something.
 
I think we need to remember Sandstream and it's new effect on Rock types:

1.5x to the spdef stat.

This essentially neutralizes STAB.
 
Overhyped much?

It's a Rhydon with +10 base points in every stat besides Speed, and a fancy trait it didn't have in ADV. NO WAY is it Uber. Get a grip on reality (well, as real as virtual monsters battling it out can get).

It still has fear of Will-O-Wisp, Spikes, GRASS MOVES and Bulky Waters. It can still get swept up by a Special Sweeper with it's laugh-worthy Special Defence. And no, don't go "well it has Solid Rock", because no. A +6 Alakazam's Psychic is not going to have it's damage lowered by the trait, so you can't hide behind that or your lame Sp. Def.

And about those fancy moves, Megahorn and Stone Edge; they don't have 100% accuracy. Not even 95%. No, Megahorn has a meh 85% accuracy, while Stone Edge has a very iffy 80%. One miss and and could mean it's over for Rhyperion.

If we could deal with Metagross in generation 3, then we most certainly can deal with Rhyperion in generation 4.
 
Natch said:
I think we need to remember Sandstream and it's new effect on Rock types:

1.5x to the spdef stat.

This essentially neutralizes STAB.
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While I'm of the school of thought that sees Rhyperior as strong but badly overhyped, I have to admit that the prospect of facing TTar + Rhyperior on 2/3 teams is a little ridiculous. That's more TTar's problem, though.

If TTar were not in the picture, the sandstorm boost wouldn't be too significant because you'd have to a) Use up a moveslot somewhere on your team for sandstorm where you could be using other, more useful moves; or b) Use hippowdon, who isn't bad but doesn't recieve the sp.def from its own sandstorm and gives common weaknesses if used with rhyperior.

But seriously, solid rock is overrated. The fact is that he has two common 4x weaknesses to begin with, and crappy sp. def!

STAB Surf: 95 * 1.5 * 2.66 = 379.5 (does this round up or down?)

Non-STAB Grass Rope: 120 * 2.66 = 319

As I've already mentioned, he has less Sp. Def than a bulbasaur... All Solid Rock does, IMO, is lessen the burden of his glaring weaknesses. It does not make him invincible. Add Sandstorm to the picture though, and it's a different story... Not invincible, but will likely be whored in 2/3 competitive teams... (Time will tell, though.)

In conclusion: with TTar... ouch... without, just ohko it and get on with your day.
 
So I finally filtered through this thread, and then searched for "substitute", only to be surprised that nobody has considered it. I would happily run substitute over choice band versions any day because it eliminates any risk from prediction and shuffling by your opponent. If you sub on a switch, you are guaranteed to put a huge dent into anything with that monster attack. I would run:

Adamant/impish @leftovers
Earthquake
Stone edge
Avalanche*/megahorn/swords dance
Substitute

*Can somebody clarify whether avalanche doubles in power when your opponent hits substitute. If so, EQ/SE/Ava/Sub would be my first choice, copyright McGraw 2007 please =]

Edit: regarding killing Rhyperior - my teams generally run 4-5 earthquake users and all 6 members should have something super effective against rock/ground. I am probably attacking most times and making sure it takes a lot of pain, rather than switching out. I am probably going to have to pack my own Rhyperior too.
 
revenge doubles even if your behind a sub in Advance far has i can tell so unless it fell victim to gameplay changes it both it and avalance sould double BP even if your behind a sub if attacked
 
Familiar Trainer said:
Overhyped much?

It's a Rhydon with +10 base points in every stat besides Speed, and a fancy trait it didn't have in ADV. NO WAY is it Uber. Get a grip on reality (well, as real as virtual monsters battling it out can get).

It still has fear of Will-O-Wisp, Spikes, GRASS MOVES and Bulky Waters. It can still get swept up by a Special Sweeper with it's laugh-worthy Special Defence. And no, don't go "well it has Solid Rock", because no. A +6 Alakazam's Psychic is not going to have it's damage lowered by the trait, so you can't hide behind that or your lame Sp. Def.

And about those fancy moves, Megahorn and Stone Edge; they don't have 100% accuracy. Not even 95%. No, Megahorn has a meh 85% accuracy, while Stone Edge has a very iffy 80%. One miss and and could mean it's over for Rhyperion.

If we could deal with Metagross in generation 3, then we most certainly can deal with Rhyperion in generation 4.
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So you don't mind that Rhyperior almost ALWAYS requires a sacrifice or even 2 before you can kill it (kind of like most Ubers against a standard team)? Rhyperior's biggest counter is probably something like Starmie or Milotic, both of which likely take more than half damage from switching into any Rhyperior attack, so they die on their second switch-in against Rhyperior before being able to lauch a single attack. It does not matter one bit that Megahorn and Stone Edge aren't 100% accurate since Rhyperior is going to switch out against anything that's threatening to it anyway. Rhyperior uses Megahorn, Starmie switches in, Megahorn misses, Rhyperior switches out and tries again later. Unless Rhyperior switches into Starmie/Milotic/Whatever (it won't) and not vice versa, Rhyperior wins. It's uncounterable by anything OU.

Everything doesn't have to be a guarenteed OHKO, I understand that, but I'm agreeing with the guy that said that in order to beat Rhyperior, you have to fight it with another Rhyperior and hope that you outlast. Thus, everyone will need to carry a Rhyperior or else accept a loss to anyone that uses one. The way it's looking, the OU metagame will consists of:

Garchomp
Rhyperior
Cresselia
Tyranitar
Metagross
Salamence
Blissey
Various Legendaries

And anyone who doesn't use at least 3 of the above will not be able to compete. What fun. CBvile and CSHera get an honorable mention, but they aren't as scary if you prepare for them. You can't prepare for Rhyperior. D/P calls for some serious adjustments to how we tier things, or else this will be the most boring and repetitive gen for OU yet, and that's saying something. In the end though, this is Gamefreak's fault, not Smogon's. If you support Rhyperior, you support and boring and unvaried metagame.

And for the record, Rhy and gen 3 Meta are not comparable. Rhy in infinitely more broken than Meta is even THIS gen, let alone last.
 
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