OU CCAT: Nidoking Edition

Physically bulky Gyarados

Gyarados is really needed IMO. Otherwise Scizor walks all over the team virtually. Even if we get the best resist in, Rotom-W, the bug can out-speed it and switch out with U-turn turning the momentum heavily against the team. Volt-turn combos still laugh at this team as a whole though with Jirachi being the only thing that can mildly pose a threat with body slam paralysis. Gyarados is definetely the best candidate switching in on a bullet punch easily and phazing out the opponent or paralyzing it as if Jirachi goes down (for example if you get a bit unlucky with the iron head when you really need the wish) volt-turn will have an easy time.
 
Physically bulky Gyarados

Gyarados is really needed IMO. Otherwise Scizor walks all over the team virtually. Even if we get the best resist in, Rotom-W, the bug can out-speed it and switch out with U-turn turning the momentum heavily against the team. Volt-turn combos still laugh at this team as a whole though with Jirachi being the only thing that can mildly pose a threat with body slam paralysis. Gyarados is definetely the best candidate switching in on a bullet punch easily and phazing out the opponent or paralyzing it as if Jirachi goes down (for example if you get a bit unlucky with the iron head when you really need the wish) volt-turn will have an easy time.
If we chose Terrakion we should definitely put enough speed to Rotom-W to outspeed Scizor. If we do this along with putting Fire Punch to Jirachi we are fine. Of 'course Scizor could still be a problem but a manageable one.
As said before by skidilidy Tinkerbell Celebi is also probably better in this team than Virizion, which will solve our Scizor problem for once and for all!
 
If Tinkerbell Celebi gets the nod on this team over Virizion I just want to let it be known that I came up with that on my own! :D
 
As said before by skidilidy Tinkerbell Celebi is also probably better in this team than Virizion, which will solve our Scizor problem for once and for all!

Someone else said it before me, but it was a great suggestion! Yeah, once the final teammate is decided I think we should switch Virizion out. Celebi deals with Landorus much better and Virizion gets forced out by way too much crap.

And to all the people saying that with Scarf Terrakion our team will get eaten alive by Scizor, try testing the team instead of theorymoning. Rotom-W and Jirachi together neuter most of the threat that the metal bug presents.
 
Ok I feel it's pointless to lengthen this anymore, since people are already going ahead and testing the team out! So we're gonna go ahead and add Scarf Terrakion as the final member of our team! Thank you all for the quick votes. The finalized team can be viewed on the OP: here

We will now enter the Step 4 of OU CCAT: taking our team to Smogon's OU ladder and fine-tune the team. skidilidy is absolutely right, theorymon can only go so far in gauging the effectiveness of the team. What we need now is some play experience with this team to gain practical understanding of the team's strategy and weaknesses.

Since I want lots of useful input here, I will give this phase plenty of time. This phase will end 2 weeks from now, specifically Saturday, 4th of February. Until then, discuss here about your ladder experience. Here are some questions to answer:

1) How effectively does this team facilitate Nidoking's role as a wall-breaker?
2) Are their any notable flaws to this team?
3) What playstyle does this team fare well? What playstyle does this team struggle?
4) What revisions have you done to this team to make it gel better / enhance the team's goal?
5) Does Nidoking have a niche in OU?

Also please submit the suggested revisions to this team by February 4th. I'll have the earlier suggestions before this post taken into account as well. We will then vote on these suggested revisions and send this bad boy to the RMT subforum! If you guys have successfully laddered with this team, post a screenshot here, and we'll make sure to put them up on our RMT for bragging rights ;d.

Anyways, let the test-drive begin (or continue)!
 
Took this on a quick test drive and I have to say it's pretty weak to Haxorus.

I think it has to do with my low battling skills but Haxorus able able to man handle me. I don't have any changes since I don't want to ruin the team, sorry. :/
 
Okay, Haxorus really beats up this team. We have Five Pokemon weak to Mold Breaker Earthquake and one Dragon resist.

Secondly, we cannot wear Haxorus down at all because this team has no entry hazards unless used on Jirachi. We might have spent a little too much time focusing on paralysis and ensuring a Nidoking sweep that we might have forgotten a couple threats. I think a Skarmory could be a good Pokemon here, but I'm not really sure where to put it. Maybe a Ferrothorn over Jirachi with Spikes/Stealth Rock/Thunder Wave/Gyro Ball? This would allow it to defeat Haxorus one-on-one and spread paralysis. I know Twave+Gyro Ball is a bad combination, but to be fair Gyro Ball is really only for killing things that don't care about paralysis like Haxorus (who commonly carries Lum).

This opens up a Reuniclus problem, but Haxorus is a bigger threat in my opinion. If we need recovery we could put Leech Seed over Spikes I guess.

If those changes were to be made, Reuniclus would be the main threat. This is theorymon of course, but I think a Specially Defensive SD Scizor would love Virizion's Spot right about now, as Virizion is worn down easily and we have Gengar to beat Jellicent anyway. This guy's priority can aid the team greatly too. Celebi is a good idea as well, but Scizor gives us another physical sweeper that can come in on a lot of things...

This makes us weak to SD Scizor, but Will-o-Wisp on Rotom can patch that up, no? I don't think Mew is that threatening with Gengar waiting in the wings.

Proposed sets:

1. Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Relaxed, 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
-Spikes/Leech Seed
-Stealth Rock
-Thunder Wave
-Gyro Ball

Scizor, Adamant @ Leftovers
252 HP / 100 Atk / 156 SpD
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Bug Bite?
-Roost

Will-o-Wisp over Thunder Wave on Rotom.

These aren't final submissions or anything just observations.
 
Gave this a test drive for a few battles.

It's biggest problems that I encountered:

1. It's Scizor weak, and that is a BAD thing. Terrakion, Gengar, and even Nidoking are all handled by Bullet punch.

2. Haxorus, Salamence, and D-Nite are major threats, too. As someone already stated, scarf Haxorus can earthquake 5 of the members for super effective damage, with the only resist being Virizion. The other dragons are only a threat with a Dragon Dance, but even then, you're relying on status or Stone Edge's accuracy to take down Dragonite at +1.

3. I only played one drizzle team, but it walked all over me once a Gyarados got a DD boost.
 
I've been using IB's Gyarados over Rotom-W and it's been working out nicely. We still get the para support, but unlike Rotom, Gyarados can stop all Scizor sets. Another thing I like about Gyarados is that with Taunt, Ferrothron can't Spike in it's face like it can to Rotom (annoying w/ no spinner). Gyarados doesn't really help out with the Haxorus weakness, but I guess it can phaze out Lum DD variants expecting the T-Wave.

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SpA)
- Waterfall
- Thunder Wave
- Dragon Tail
- Taunt
 
Yeah, I have been using this team, and once Haxorus is at +1, there is nothing the team can do from stopping a clear sweep. Rotom-w wall is exellent, instead, Detroit Cat suggestions seem fairly good, will think them over a bit more for errors, butt seem solid
 
Well, for me, I've been using Gyarados over Terrakion and my only hope of stopping generally any Haxorus is to force it to use outrage on Virizion and then Switch into Gyarados for Intimidate and D-Tail it out. But after doing it once, Gyarados was so weakened Stealth Rock Killed it on the next switch.
 
Sense as people said this set is weak to Haxorus, perhaps it would be good if you switched something out for Skarmory who can whirlwind it out and roost up for a later date. Also you can give Rotom Will-o-wisp which would make sense because you already have a t-wave user in Jirachi. Give it some thought :D

Also maybe it's just me but this team looks like it'd have a major weakness to sun teams. I can see a Venasuar destroying this team. Once again though, maybe it's just me. This could just be my fangasm going and the fact that this team looks alot like mine with my next suggestion but I'd propose having dragonite somewhere on this team to help against Sun or at least against Venasuar.
 
Just sayin, Terakion revenge kills Venusaurs that don't run a positive speed nature.

Well there's your check anyway but one check does not a win make. (Sometimes it does but don't ruin the sentence :P) If Terakion is gone or if Saur is running a Speed Nature, this team will be destroyed.
 
Just nitpicking, but we should really run EQ over Rock Slide on Terrakion to give us a good way to deal with SD Toxicroak. I know it is written as an option, but it should be finalized.
 
The reason I suggested SlowBro was to deal with heavy physical attackers like D-Nite and Haxorus. Threaten with Ice Beam or Phaze with Yawn. Either way, it can take a few hits and hopefully ruin a Dragon Sweep.
 
The reason I suggested SlowBro was to deal with heavy physical attackers like D-Nite and Haxorus. Threaten with Ice Beam or Phaze with Yawn. Either way, it can take a few hits and hopefully ruin a Dragon Sweep.

That'll just make this team more weak to sun teams than it already is which is why I suggested Dragonite and Skarmory to help mitigate the weaknesses to sun teams and the physical Dragons Respectively.
 
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