NOC Medieval Mafia - Game Over: Majora's Maskians Win

As it was presented, rolefishing for the mayor was so that town won't hammer a vote on accident (due to an unnoticed mayor). I see this as town-motivated and scum-motivated at the same time, therefore null.

Browsing through your posts, the only recent :opinions: post of yours was quite a while ago. Who else is suspicious?
 
Posting this before I fall asleep going through US's posts.
These are notes taken and thoughts while going through billymills, B_T, Ditto and Yeti's posts.

billymills:
-Is looking for a 'bell' and some 'Parchment'
Could this just be him guessing the name of items, trying to be lucky?​
-says that B_T defended him 'far too much'.
note that he doesn't say that he didn't want him to defend him, just that B_T shouldn't defend him as much.​
-asks B_T to stop defending him, because it'd make B_T and him look bad.
If Billy's mafia, B_T probably is too.​
-tries to shift attention from him and B_T to US and Zorbees
If Billy's mafia, I believe US and Zorbees are village.​
-complains on Ditto a second time.

B_T:
-FoS's Zorbees, due to a sound reason.
-Says that US's actions are "detrimental to town".
-claims to not be defending billy

-attacks US:
  • "Attempt at setting players' allegiances based on past games." - not solid, it was the only thing he could base his vote on at that moment.
  • "Attempt at not-so-subtle rolefishing, later justified by "stirring discussion" when it turns out to be transparent." -not solid, either. It may very well have been an attempt to stir discussion.
  • "Encouraging players to post fluff and clutter the thread. ('opinions on EVERYONE, please')" - opinions on everyone are both good and bad, both parts have valid points.
  • "Overreaction to my case." -US says that he's addicted to mafia, which's a fair reason to overreact. I believe that this'll not be the first time someone'll overreact.
  • "Attempt at setting self up as a 'village leader' figure which will hardly ever be considered as a lynch target." - I don't know what to think about this one.
-expresses a wish that neither billy nor he shall look bad.
What makes him so certain that billy's on his team?​
-tries to get more users into the discussion
Town, or tries to remedy the damage caused by the US-billy-B_T-triangle?​
-seems intent to gather as much info as possible before night falls
-votes ditto, saying that he's contibuted nothing of worth. Also admits that he sides with billy on the vote.

Yeti:
-suspicious of US from the get-go
-asks Ditto for thoughts on setup.
-makes a guess on the setup
-defends billymills, while trying to mask it by saying that he's "a bit suspicious" as well.
while this isn't strong evidence, this suggests that if billy's mafia, Yeti's as well.​
-says that he's still suspicious of US.
-tries to convince us to not vote ditto, because we'd not get much info out of it.
I wouldn't call this buddying, as it's the truth. But ofc, it could still be.​

Ditto:
-posts a lot about setup.
-says that conversation D1 is pointless.
No clue why he says this. Could indicate anything.​
-defensive posts defending why he posted about setup.
-gets rather angry on me, because I somehow missed when Yeti asked him about the setup.
One could say that he overreacts, but my gut tells me that it's him getting tired of defending, what he regards as, contributions.​
-Stating why the announcer shouldn't claim
Not really important to note this post down, I maybe shouldn't have done so.​
-continues to get upset about people attacking him because of his talk about the setup
Honestly, I would understand if he's town and want to screw us other town because we're so annoying to him, asking the same thing over and over.​
-makes a post calling out rediamond for bw-ing, and wanting him to post more.
Billy attacks ditto because of this and general defensive-ness. Is this a billy trying to break ditto down mentally, trying to cause ditto to post less while making ditto seem like scum?​
-Ditto breaks down, and is asking us to lynch him.
-Posting a list of reads, while seeming to believe that it's useless.
-Says that he'd rather bw me or MB.
MB's inactive, me because I'm inactive and have attacked him. Fully reasonable.​
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So far:

  • If billy's mafia, B_T likely is too.
  • If billy's mafia, Yeti likely is too, albeit less likely than B_T.
  • If billy's mafia, US and Zorbees are likely town.
  • If billy's mafia, Ditto's likely town as well.

Yes, I'm aware that some of you, if not all of you, will see this post as buddying with Ditto, and possibly US and Zorbees as well. But I cannot for the sake of my life see how I'd be able to say that I believe that USER is town without being accused for buddying.

Sorry, but I'll have to take a break before going through US. Maybe I'll have time to do it tonight, maybe It'll have to wait until tomorrow.
 
By the way Brammi, I wasn't saying you don't know NOC, I was saying that smogon probably views NOC differently than ms. This may be why a reason somewhat might think you are scummy, cause they aren't used to your play style.
 
Blue_Tornado said:
As it was presented, rolefishing for the mayor was so that town won't hammer a vote on accident (due to an unnoticed mayor). I see this as town-motivated and scum-motivated at the same time, therefore null.

Browsing through your posts, the only recent :opinions: post of yours was quite a while ago. Who else is suspicious?
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I've previously noted he's denying he jumped on two minor bandwagons right behind Sam. Then there's the demand for a jester to claim so we lynch them, which has the downside of depriving the village of its' primary weapon for a cycle. But what 's done is done, I suppose.

-Leethoof is still suspect FMPOV, especially after the coincidental 'persuade' on Sam. I found his reads odd and inadequate.
-TalkingLion appears to be unaware of the concept of WIFOM, but his reads are rubbish. The fact that he's denying that he's buddying while it appears that he buddies Sam in the same post is also concerning.
-Red claims uselessrole.jpg then agrees with Leethoof's threatlist that was not very informative.Then he bandwagons. ._.

That's about all for now that I notice.

In the meantime, I'm going to be wondering if I classify as a newfag.
 
I feel like users: Ditto, TalkingLion, wickdaggler, and zorbees are talking a lot but not really saying anything. No one other than me seems to want to follow up on the TL oddness (either that or I totally missed a vote when rereading), so I will @@Vote wickdaggler@@
 
Holy shit a lot happened when I was asleep. I am going back to @@Vote Crux@@. I don't feel like he would help much if villager, as he is incredibly unwilling to post reads on anyone, and he has been rehashing other people's reads as well. A lot of his reads just were like "town vibes" or "i'm leaning scum" without any reasoning.

EDIT: unvoted
 
I have less homework than anticipated today, so I should be able to give a comprehensive post. In the meantime, I realise how stupid my earlier bandwagoning was, and will post my own thoughts in an hour or two.
 
I am also going to fos Crux. My previous posts have been, quite frankly, terrible, so I have no idea how you've been getting 'town vibes' from me and I don't want to be seen to have been buddied in any way if Crux is lynched and turns up scum.
 
MK Ultra said:
I am also going to fos Crux. My previous posts have been, quite frankly, terrible, so I have no idea how you've been getting 'town vibes' from me and I don't want to be seen to have been buddied in any way if Crux is lynched and turns up scum.
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Uh I read this post as "OMGUS my teammate Crux said something suspicious and now it looks like he might get lynched I should distance myself from him NAO!"

Just saying.

Though I agree with you in that all of your posts have been terrible. Not just your previous ones.
 
Unclesam you started off the game saying I was extremely suspicious before I had even posted, that I was even more suspicious because of my absence while sleeping. Forgive me for testing to see how far I could push you before you finally bothered to vote me xD.

Sorry for not voting as many random people as I did last time. If I recall, it didn't really work last time, but why should that stop me? I think it's far more useful to target on one person at a time, force opinions on that one person, and move on from there.

I tried to get a few votes on Unclesam, in line with the above paragraph, not because he's a really good target, but I'd love to have seen who'd be interested in following through with the lynch. 2-3 votes, like anything we've came up with so far isn't going to cut it, at 5-6 things may get interesting.

Furthermore me buddying Blue Tornado is ridiculous, trolling him about him protecting me was intended to be funny. If anything I've been buddying zorbees. I've seen far more of him siding with me than BT siding with me.

At least one of the bell and parchment are real items, if you want more of my role to be public, feel free to press the issue. Aska's post immediately after my parchment post lead me to believe he has an item (for no reason other than the quick response). I voted him just because people have been pestering me to vote random people with no reasoning all game. If you're a thief, feel free to target Aska tonight.

For vote targets (lynch targets would imply conviction) I still recommend Ditto, his willingness to suicide is clearly anti-village. If he has no interest in participating then he should opt to sub out. Otherwise I'd like to see someone who has somewhat-to-moderately posted targeted, and then everyone gives their opinions on their posts. Examples could be Paperblade, Quagsires or KingofKongs. I've gotten better impressions from paperblade than the other two, but if anyone has a strong conviction on a user in this post-range, feel free to start it.
 
Current votecount since I'm bored:

UncleSam: Leethoof (1)
Brammi: Snike (1)
Crux: zorbees, askaninjask (2)
Metal Bagon: Talkinglion, Rediamond (2)
Paperblade: Quagsires (1)
Quagsires: kingofkongs, UncleSam (2)
wickdaggler: Brammi, Metal Bagon, Paperblade (3)
askaninjask: billymills (1)
Ditto: Ditto, MK Ultra (2)
billymills: Crux, (1)
Jalmont: Blue_Tornado (1)
No Lynch: wickdaggler (1)
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If I made any mistakes, let me know (if you want to).
 
Blue_Tornado said:
wick seems like he's trying, at the very least. I'd rather prod-vote someone forgettable who needs to get involved more.

Looking at the player list, I'm fine with @@Vote: Jalmont@@.
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@Spiffy: Blue_Tornado is not currently voting for me.

billymills said:
Unclesam you started off the game saying I was extremely suspicious before I had even posted, that I was even more suspicious because of my absence while sleeping. Forgive me for testing to see how far I could push you before you finally bothered to vote me xD.

Sorry for not voting as many random people as I did last time. If I recall, it didn't really work last time, but why should that stop me? I think it's far more useful to target on one person at a time, force opinions on that one person, and move on from there.

I tried to get a few votes on Unclesam, in line with the above paragraph, not because he's a really good target, but I'd love to have seen who'd be interested in following through with the lynch. 2-3 votes, like anything we've came up with so far isn't going to cut it, at 5-6 things may get interesting.

Furthermore me buddying Blue Tornado is ridiculous, trolling him about him protecting me was intended to be funny. If anything I've been buddying zorbees. I've seen far more of him siding with me than BT siding with me.

At least one of the bell and parchment are real items, if you want more of my role to be public, feel free to press the issue. Aska's post immediately after my parchment post lead me to believe he has an item (for no reason other than the quick response). I voted him just because people have been pestering me to vote random people with no reasoning all game. If you're a thief, feel free to target Aska tonight.

For vote targets (lynch targets would imply conviction) I still recommend Ditto, his willingness to suicide is clearly anti-village. If he has no interest in participating then he should opt to sub out. Otherwise I'd like to see someone who has somewhat-to-moderately posted targeted, and then everyone gives their opinions on their posts. Examples could be Paperblade, Quagsires or KingofKongs. I've gotten better impressions from paperblade than the other two, but if anyone has a strong conviction on a user in this post-range, feel free to start it.
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Oh good I finally got you to post something substantial, serious, and helpful.

And your random voting strategy worked out pretty well last time considering the village finally won a game.

I've mentioned that you have been buddying zorbees quite a few times through the thread, moreso than Blue_Tornado by a long shot.

Outside of that I pretty much agree with/think this post is reasonable...it doesn't dissipate my suspicions of you, but I think that there are certainly better targets at the moment so long as you are contributing.

With that being said, I am going to @@vote Quagsires@@. He has hardly posted and when he did it was basically useless drivel that didn't help the discussion at all. You are normally one of the most active players yet have been trying to hide all game, and I am calling you out now.

As for other targets, Ditto just confuses me with his play and it's frankly a little TOO strange to be mafia behavior...that being said, I'd list him as a top-five potential lynch target for Day 1 at this moment, if for no other reason than that it would tell us a hell of a lot about Yeti and billymills (Yeti because she has been defending him the whole time, billymills because he has been calling Ditto out the whole time).
 
Okay, so a ton has happened today. Yet at the same time, almost nothing has happened. I'll just give you a few opinions.

Ditto suiciding is pretty weird to see. Not too sure what it means other than to keep an eye out for him and his future actions. Also, there has been a fuckton of bullshit flying around this thread, and it all amounts to nothing. I'm not the first to say it, but I firmly believe that the only thing that will come out of the psychoanalysis of bullshit is chaos. Furthermore, people posting to troll or those who repeat stuff need to stop and post new stuff with new opinions. In the same vein, users who were under fire and got overlooked in today's bullshit need to step back into the fray.

As for now, I'll lynch @@TalkingLion@@ becuase of his suspicious posts and weak rebuttals. I'm not going to find every post he's made that's shoddy, you guys can find that out for yourself. Bottom line, he has weak reads and is generally inactive. Also, I'd like to call out Quag, Brammi and MK for not being active enough. You guys are normally pretty vocal, but your lack of effort to further discussion have been shady.
 
Metal Bagon said:
Edited my read on Billymils so it makes sense. Also B_T, I'll lynch if you want, I have some hunches.

Just some of you seem to be fighting over uncle sam and ditto and I'm not sure if either of them are mafia, (there, i said it) just ditto seems to be pushing it a bit too far in terms of defending himself and is really being a bit too out their for me too see him as a shoo-in villa.

Anyway, due to be reasoning in my previous post, I'll @@send Wickdaggler to Aussie@@. The ultimate toture (unless you go to South Quensland, Victoria, or Sydney), plus it's what the brits did to all of prisoners in the old days.
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Brammi said:
Why shouldn't they. It is severely harmful for the town to not know that. People normally get instalynched if it turns out they had a doublevote and they didn't claim. And if that happened here I would definitely be advocating the lynch.

Also Jesters should claim because a claimed Jester should ALWAYS be lynched for the simple fact that they will deliberately do as much damage as possible to the town so as to get lynched.

Unvote, Vote: Wick

Wick, I have already given the reasoning behind NEVER no lynching. It is ALWAYS the wrong course of action. And while I don't agree with it, it is sometimes ok in a Mylo, but only if the conditions are just right.

It is severely scummy to advocate a no lynch as it is actually detrimental to the town to no lynch.
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wickdaggler it really isn't that hard to find votes...though I'll admit Brammi's wasn't particularly easy to find due to it being made before the rule change.
 
thanks unclesam v_v. anyway since lynching me seems to be a bit of a theme now I guess I should be defending myself?

i voted nolynch because honestly i thought that was the best course of action for the village; there is as likely a chance that we will lynch a mafia as we will lynch a villager. say anything you'd like about "player behavior", it's still mostly luck (imo). if you guys think that it will be game changing and we should defiantly be lynching somebody, than yeah sure, go ahead, just don't lynch me.

i would say something about other players acting suspicious or something but i can't really get a good "read" on any players at this point.
 
Late tl;dr post is late.

Major opinions:

Brammi: I'm increasingly nervous about this, especially after someone pointed out that there is a persuader. Having a multi-voter claim this early when there's a persuader is probably a bad idea, and I can't believe that they wouldn't grasp this. While it does not prove them as scum on its own, I don't like it.

UncleSam: Here me out on this, but I think the Mafia might actually be willing to 'clean' a villager in this game, as it would automatically cast doubt on the person who cleaned them, as well as the villager they 'cleaned,' possibly leading to misplaced suspicions on both of them. With UncleSam's long post length, it would seem like the perfect opportunity to get the village to lynch a productive player for something they honestly didn't do.

On the possibility that Leethoof and UncleSam are scum, it would be dangerous to risk two Mafia members so early for questionable gain that puts both of them under risk of scrutiny and possibly lynch.

billymills and Ditto: Their discussions actually have practical applications, and I don't see any reason not to raise the questions they raise. There isn't anything inherently scummy about either of them to be perfectly honest, outside of the fact that they're posting and drawing attention to themselves.

Blue Tornado: How would asking the mayor to claim be town motivated? I see it as far more scum motivated than anything...

zorbees: I'm still deciding. I could definitely see town, but there's still some suspicion in my mind...

Quagsires: Surprisingly inactive. This could be quite bad, or he could simply be quite busy. I don't really know which one, but I do find it as reason to view him as suspicious.

TalkingLion: I forget exactly what he's posted, so I won't blindly bandwagon here until I look.

MetalBagon: Still find early inactivity suspcious. I can't say anything that justifies this statement though.

It's not long, but it's my basic opinions on recently active users.
 
I'm not going to post a comprehensive list of my reads on everyone. Lists of reads help the mafia know who is unlikely to get lynched, and can be used by scum to subtly buddy their partners. However, I will give this list of my top 5 suspicious people:

  1. wickdaggler. No Lynch is never a good idea for the village D1. wickdaggler's support for No Lynch would make sense if he were a new player, but wick has been playing mafia for long enough that he should know it's bad for the village. I think he's even been in an NOC game before. He's also contributing very little to the discussion; most of his posts have been short and lacking in substance.
  2. billymills. While billy's deviation from his earlier play style isn't enough to push him into scum territory by itself, billy is doing very little to contribute to the discussion considering how much he's posted. He only made a substantive post when called out, and his fear of being buddied shows insecurity.
  3. Ditto. Before his post with the links, Ditto contributed hardly anything of substance despite making several posts. He tried to steer discussion to faction numbers, which are at best a distraction for the village right now. The scummiest thing about Ditto, though, is his willingness to let people lynch him. "Go ahead and lynch me" posts are a classic scumtell.
  4. Brammi. Has enough experience with Smogon NOC that he should know it's a bad idea for the mayor to claim D1, but continues to ask for the mayor to claim. His justification for having the mayor claim isn't very strong. He also seems to want to get to L1/L2, which would give the mafia an opportunity to hammer the vote.
  5. Leethoof. "Forgets" he's persuaded for three posts and the pretty blatantly buddies UncleSam. His posts don't have much substance, either.
 
Player behavior is the only thing we have to go on unless you want to rely on roles for everything, and they could easily die. By not lynching people we are just going to talk in circles forever and never learn the truth about people *we* want to learn the truth about.
 
Yeti said:
In the meantime, I expect, in fact, demand more contributions from the users with 1 post:
Staraptor Call
nEsp
Please make a post if you are on during this timeframe, or I will be forced to conclude your scumbuddies did not script a suitably neutral and unsuspicious response before my return.

In addition, though my suspicions will be slightly less severe, I desire a post from users:
Jalmont
Metal Bagon
Kaxtar
in this timeframe as well, with some actual thought into them. My requirements are: you cannot cite someone else's opinion you agree with, unless you provide your own reasoning for why. Cite posts you find suspicious, or opinions you wish to counter.
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I have bolded the users who have not complied with this request and posted yet. Suspicion is upon you.

I am quite pleased with nEsp's contribution, his bulleting provided Unclesam-tier length while not being particularly dense to read.

However, nEsp, may I request your thoughts on UncleSam? Before further is said about you, I wish to know your opinion on US. I see you took a break before moving on to your analysis of his actions - please all, do not end the day before this man can speak on US. I am interested in his thoughts.

Kaxtar, good start. If you have an opinion on someone's post from now on, if you could post it (so short, individual posts as you notice something of interest) that would be appreciated, so we can gain further insight into your views.

Metal Bagon, please, tell whoever is scripting your scum response to hurry it up.

Lady Salamence, you are kind of useless, please post your trivial thoughts in this thread so we can determine whether you are just damp, deeply in love with the idea of engaging in numerous sex acts with billymills, or your announcer role is allied with the mafians. Just because you have had no CC, and have a 50/50 shot role of being on either team, does not mean you can post nothing, despite your stupidity for claiming in the first place.

In fact, this makes me think lynching a useless role like hers, to confirm its allegiance as village or mafia, would possibly be a good idea. LS is clearly not contributing anything, and her buddying of billymills is a possible scumtell if she turns up mafia. If her claim is true and she is village, she is already out in the open as "useless role here" and we lose: not much by her death, outside of a possible read if she provides her opinions.

As for lynching myself, as Brammi suggested, I do not yet feel like I have provided you enough to go on for when I am lynched, and thus at this stage in the game, you'd be limited in considering my suspicious contributions. I require the results of this lynch, tonight, and D2 to provide full input and cast a fairly good read on these users.

On the subject of Blue Tornado, I find his prodding everyone for lynch targets to be.. interesting. Perhaps he is trying to find a good lynch target that is not one of his mafia buddies, and if that user is suspicious enough, he can bandwagon, and then say "well they were suspicious, and it wasn't my idea!!" when they come up village.

I would like to see his D2 actions, however, before confirming whether he is just trying to motivate discussion between people who have posted, or if he is searching for an agreeable lynch target to off.

As for billymills, the fact is, he is not stupid. His play is different from prior NOC games. He knows users itg have played with him before and will likely recall his style. IF he is mafia this time around, vs his previous village-aligned playstyle, he would not be so stupid as to just act very differently, which will be a clear trigger. That would be suspicious, as it has been pointed out.

Perhaps he is consciously changing his style, with the safe knowledge if an inspector gets curious, he is safe, as he is a villager. Perhaps he thinks, that people knowing he is not stupid enough to act scummish when he is scum, that by acting like scum, nobody will think he's really dumb enough to BE scum, despite his true mafia alliance.

I also postulate he may be some sort of (neutral) role that combines items and gains a benefit, possibly not beneficial to all of us.

As the case is, I would like to see more serious posts from billymills to determine just what sort of game he is playing.

WRT Ditto, his giving up is... bizarre at best. Does he need to be lynched to win? Is he vanilla and simply doesn't care? If so, why doesn't he sub, or at least try and make more of a case before giving up? Maybe he is mafia who thinks he has no chance. Regardless, voting for himself certainly warrants a closer look at him, and suspicion.

REQUESTING ALL PLAYERS WITH PC OF LESS THAN 10 ITT TO GIVE AN OPINION ON DITTO IN THEIR NEXT POST.

I am curious to see where the game stands on Ditto. Should Ditto be lynched today or soon, or even be killed, we can tell what people incriminated him if he was clean, and what people tried to clean him, if he is mafia.
 
Yeti said:
I have bolded the users who have not complied with this request and posted yet. Suspicion is upon you.

I am quite pleased with nEsp's contribution, his bulleting provided Unclesam-tier length while not being particularly dense to read.

However, nEsp, may I request your thoughts on UncleSam? Before further is said about you, I wish to know your opinion on US. I see you took a break before moving on to your analysis of his actions - please all, do not end the day before this man can speak on US. I am interested in his thoughts.

Kaxtar, good start. If you have an opinion on someone's post from now on, if you could post it (so short, individual posts as you notice something of interest) that would be appreciated, so we can gain further insight into your views.

Metal Bagon, please, tell whoever is scripting your scum response to hurry it up.

Lady Salamence, you are kind of useless, please post your trivial thoughts in this thread so we can determine whether you are just damp, deeply in love with the idea of enaging in numerous sex acts with billymills, or your announcer role is allied with the mafians. Just because you have had no CC, and have a 50/50 shot role of being on either team, does not mean you can post nothing, despite your stupidity for claiming in the first place.

In fact, this makes me think lynching a useless role like hers, to confirm its allegiance as village or mafia, would possibly be a good idea. LS is clearly not contributing anything, and her buddying of billymills is a possible scumtell if she turns up mafia. If her claim is true and she is village, she is already out in the open as "useless role here" and we lose: not much by her death, outside of a possible read if she provides her opinions.

As for lynching myself, as Brammi suggested, I do not yet feel like I have provided you enough to go on for when I am lynched, and thus at this stage in the game, you'd be limited in considering my suspicious contributions. I require the results of this lynch, tonight, and D2 to provide full input and cast a fairly good read on these users.

On the subject of Blue Tornado, I find his prodding everyone for lynch targets to be.. interesting. Perhaps he is trying to find a good lynch target that is not one of his mafia buddies, and if that user is suspicious enough, he can bandwagon, and then say "well they were suspicious, and it wasn't my idea!!" when they come up village.

I would like to see his D2 actions, however, before confirming whether he is just trying to motivate discussion between people who have posted, or if he is searching for an agreeable lynch target to off.

As for billymills, the fact is, he is not stupid. His play is different from prior NOC games. He knows users itg have played with him before and will likely recall his style. IF he is mafia this time around, vs his previous village-aligned playstyle, he would not be so stupid as to just act very differently, which will be a clear trigger. That would be suspicious, as it has been pointed out.

Perhaps he is consciously changing his style, with the safe knowledge if an inspector gets curious, he is safe, as he is a villager. Perhaps he thinks, that people knowing he is not stupid enough to act scummish when he is scum, that by acting like scum, nobody will think he's really dumb enough to BE scum, despite his true mafia alliance.

I also postulate he may be some sort of (neutral) role that combines items and gains a benefit, possibly not beneficial to all of us.

As the case is, I would like to see more serious posts from billymills to determine just what sort of game he is playing.

WRT Ditto, his giving up is... bizarre at best. Does he need to be lynched to win? Is he vanilla and simply doesn't care? If so, why doesn't he sub, or at least try and make more of a case before giving up? Maybe he is mafia who thinks he has no chance. Regardless, voting for himself certainly warrants a closer look at him, and suspicion.

REQUESTING ALL PLAYERS WITH PC OF LESS THAN 10 ITT TO GIVE AN OPINION ON DITTO IN THEIR NEXT POST.

I am curious to see where the game stands on Ditto. Should Ditto be lynched today or soon, or even be killed, we can tell what people incriminated him if he was clean, and what people tried to clean him, if he is mafia.
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This is an excellent post in general, but a few notes:
-billymills WAS behaving strangely...up until his last post when I started applying real pressure on him, when he suddenly jolted back into form. That seems really odd to me, and I don't really see it addressed in the post above. I also had my suspicions that billymills was neutral with an item role of some kind, but frankly I think we are over analyzing this.
-I for one think that your argument of "don't lynch me because I haven't provided you with any suspicions yet" to be really really unhelpful and scummy...I wasn't considering lynching you and still don't think you are a great lynch, but I would really appreciate it if you could clarify why you have this attitude of "I'm not going to say who I suspect so that the village won't gain anything in the event of my death".
-I don't think lynching Lady Salamence is an awful idea at all, because we know for certain we won't be hitting a role that is useful or a player that is useful. Why I'm not doing it is that she seems to me to be a kinda lost villager and we wouldn't gain much from lynching her other than some info on you and possibly zorbees/billymills/whoever jumps on her wagon, but I think there are better liklihoods for scum out there AND better lynches information wise as well.

I am holding to my vote for Quagsires and think that that should be given more thought by everyone until he posts something actually helpful.
 
staraptor, I was subbed into troll noc but literally didn't get a chance to post before I died lol.

@yeti:
about ditto; sure he posted a bunch of substance-less posts early game, which could easily be him trying to get in the good books as a villy without really contributing to the lynch, but that's not anything that hasn't been said 10 times before; if I were ditto trying to be a cautious mafia player, I would have picked up on this and started posting more "substance" (which is apparently something that ONLY villagers will post) much earlier.

really I think he's just relaxed about this (i.e. not really invested in the result), which points towards being a vanilla villager more than anything. than again, (as has been said), he might just be putting on this facade to distract people from the fact that he's mafia.

tl;dr who knows, he could be good or bad :s
 
Billymills said:
At least one of the bell and parchment are real items, if you want more of my role to be public, feel free to press the issue. aska's post immediately after my parchment post lead me to believe he has an item (for no reason other than the quick response). I voted him just because people have been pestering me to vote random people with no reasoning all game. If you're a thief, feel free to target aska tonight.
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I asked because you seemed really suspicious, and I did not want you being given an item currently belonging to a villager. I hoped that by pressuring you on your role, you would slip in some way. I can neither confirm nor deny having an item at this stage of the game...

I have also been unsatisfied with the way Quagsires has posted, especially his recent-ish pressure on Paperblade. I got a pretty pro-town vibe from Paperblade, and Quagsires seemed to get the opposite vibe, but never explained himself. @@vote Quagsires@@ until he explains his Paperblade vote.

(I actually had half of a "let's vote Quagsires" post written up, but wanted to wait until Crux responded to zorbees's vote. I figure pressure on Quagsires may actually be more useful, as he has acted in my eyes more suspiciously than Crux. Unlike zorbees, I am actually satisfied with what Crux has posted since we called him out.)
 
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