The common curse of mankind
Foreword: Yes, I realize Zorbees and Sam have already replied to these.
@Sam: Here's my verbal salute to him.
So I press the Refresh button, expecting a curt, concise wall, and I get this behemoth... >_<
Now US, I cbf going back and looking at TL and you, but I know for a fact I have not buddied you, and either someone severely up themselves with self importance or someone who is scared of the chance of a chain lynch would call it such. So your call, are you a self centered elitist or are you scum? I want an answer to this question in your next post. A scum claim or an admission of self importance will suffice.
And here we have Brammi going directly against US and asking him whether he's being incredibly arrogant or if he's scum, once again lacking evidence.
This game's lack of will to bandwagon is frightening. And when you do bandwagon it is on obv town. Which is just retarded. Enough of the day has gone past.
I WILL ONLY BE VOTING ZORBEES, USAM, OR WICK FOR THE REST OF THE DAY UNLESS SOMETHING GROUNDBREAKING HAPPENS. There are a couple of tohers I may be convinced to lynch but that i unlikely to happen.
Here we have, in impeccable grammar, an insult directed towards the whole village based on how we're taking our time, an all-caps bold (<snip> just got real) statement of voting two of the big names and an inactive for the rest of the day, while leaving the door open to negotiation in plain text.
If you want me on a wagon, pick one of them. This tactic is refered to as compromise lynching and aside from being all the rage, it is actually a proven tactic that works well. The premise is simple. People should not expect results from day one itself. It has been proven that there is a less than 50% chance of town lynching scum on day 1. (I think that was 2010 stats in mini normal games) anyway, once you feel you have seen enough discussion, you say who you are going to be ok with lynching and stand firm. It forces people to make decisions and shows where people stand. There is a reason that people are actually formally doing this, it results in an organised town that are all on the same page. Not to mention the fact that in a town where people actually respect each other this happens naturally and doesn't have to be shouted.
Here we have Brammi trying to impose his 'strategy' on the village by labeling it a tactic that has been 'proven' to be effective elsewhere, without providing examples. He further supports this 'proven tactic'' with a less than 50% scum lynch rate statistic, one that is once again, supported by nothing, though it's to be expected, as scum generally doesn't start off at parity with the town, from what I've seen. Then there's the claim of an organized village, which really does not make much sense considering that it is operating as multiple fragmented units either way: how can it be organized if it isn't united?
This is especially useful in the early days. Seeing as you guys are unfamilliar with the rappor of NOC I doubt any of you will have played this way. But basically I am being suppressed because I can't bounce ideas off anyone because everyone in the game is a bunch of tight asses, jumping at leaves and shadows. YOU CAN BOTH TAKE THE GAME SERIOUSLY AND BOUNCE READS OF EACH OTHER WITHOUT HAVING TO BACK THEM UP PROVIDED YOU AREN'T LOOKING TO LYNCH THE PERSON IN QUESTION until after reasoning has been shown.
This absolute master goes on to explain that it's clearly useful in the earlier days, but we simple-minded people unversed in the ways of NOC-fu wouldn't understand because we're 'jumping' on everyone for scumtells, which is clearly doing it wrong. In all caps, the Best Player Here denounces our petty pressure games.
I would LOVE to see a voting bloc but that is unlikely to happen. If people feel like they want a voting bloc in the town I would suggest the users, Quagsires, Yeti and myself definitely be in their at the bare minimum. But sadly that isn't going to happen. AND NO, I am not buddying them. Voting blocs work better if there is a scum person in them, as when they fall apart, which inevitably happens, the pieces left behind are telling. For those interested I have a town read on quaggy and a null read on yeti.
And suddenly voting bloc time w/Quags and Yeti, which will throw people off. Wait no, he wrote it off, we're hopeless. And no he's not buddying them, because they might be scum. JS, Quags is town and Yeti's null.
TL;DR
Everyone that thinks they know what they are doing are about to bandwagon me, which isn't a bad thing. But hopefully you will actually read the post and attempt to stop the round-about mudslinging and overcatiousness that is infesting this game.
TL;DR: This two sentence paragraph is another dig at the Smogon Community that's completely unrelated to the actual topic of discussion.
Look, you didn't even explain why you want a zorbees lynch. There's no evidence to back up your claims that your tactic works, that Sam is elitist and narcissistic or scum (the two are not mutually exclusive, though I doubt he's necessarily that egotistical, and idk if he's scum or not), or that we're completely opposed to a voting bloc. I understand that you think we're playing wrong, but insulting us is not going to help it. It is only
folly and ignorance that would lead someone to believe that.
Now, I know you think if people are going to lynch you, it's going to be because of this post, but really, you're wrong. You refuse to provide reasoning for your posts, ignore the arguments of others against your own points, and instead opt to lord over your experience on a different site over everyone by ordering highly suspect moves, because clearly you're right and we're all wrong. You talk about respect, but you do not deign to give any to us. This elitism, as a result, makes you look incredibly suspicious, and it
will be the root of your downfall.
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Ok, so I was about to post this when I saw Brammi's new post. Let's examine that now:
Clever.
2. No, both occassions I provided reasoning. Again, answer the question asked of you, are you a dick or are you scum?
No, you didn't, considering you said you jumped on one bandwagon, and conveniently forgot about the other one. It's the Case of the Always-Changing Story.
3. I explained that, he has no scum motivations for his actions, therefore he is town. Everyone drops scumtells in a game. If you can't tell the difference between scum motivated actions and town motivated ones then I can't help but wonder why you think you can play mafia.
Clearly we can't read scumtells like the master.
4. Ummm actually I have for both you and wick. I have since gone through a stanrd proceedure to confirm zorbees scumminess, sadly he has passed. Actually on that note, Unvote, Vote: US In addition, zorbees' scumminess has already been well documented in this thread including, his random bandwagoning, his lack of reasoning (which is rather hypocritical and one of the main reasons he is still on my list as well as his impartialness to the suspicion that was planted on him, although that can be attributed to this game's trend of not applying pressure, only threatening it.
Wick as scum reasoning: Is he against a D1 lynch? Yes? He's scum.
Sam as scum reasoning: Is he arguing with me? Yes? He's scum.
Zorbees as scum procedure: Does he participate in the RVS? Yes? He's scum.
Seriously though, I'm not sure where you're looking unless it's in the early pages, but Mr. Zorbees has been providing reasoning with virtually every one of his recent lynch vote sequences. Pressure voting's reason is self explanatory.
Oh, and btw, L-1 is impractical because of the newbie factor. =/
5.
5.1. Ok, Thanks for confirming you are actually reading them, my scumread on you has deepened.
5.2. They are not retarded, they are COMMON PRACTICE. The only reason i have even given explainations of them is because you guys wouldn't recognise them anyway.
5.3. Mayor stepping up was a good idea, I retracted that viewpoint when I was reminded that persuader is more than a 1 in 100 role here and someone claimed to be persuaded. Ohey, you were only pretending to read.
5.4. Blatant misrep. I never advocated the lynch of zorbees without an explaination, I asked for a bandwagon. It's different. You will notice I EVEN SAID AS MUCH THE POST ABOVE YOU.
5.5. I don't see what is wrong with that, aside from town being retarded and trying to lynch obv town.
5.1 That's nice dear.
5.2 They're not common practice here, dear. This isn't Mafiascum.net.
5.3 No it was not, no you did not, and if you say otherwise again I'm going to have to invoke timestamps again. No villager would ask for the mayor to claim an hour after someone claims persuaded.
5.4 A vote for zorbees without reasoning is a vote that advocates lynching him. LATER ON came the bandwagon demand, which looks awfully like an attempt to lynch zorbees, sam, or wick.
5.5 Oh, sorry, I forgot that we apparently can't determine suspect behaviour from villageness. >___>
6. Ok, that's cool. Because he is quite obviously not scum. Also, it's somewhat hypocritical of you to call me unhelpful when I have literally thrown as many helpful ideas at the town as possible. Just because you think you can play noc because you are good at a game that barely qualifies as mafia is a completely different matter.
-See 5.5, and 2, and how we're clearly doing it wrong here, because we aren't mafiascum.net/whereverthehellyouapparentlyplay
7. I fucking have, READ for christs sake.
"It's common", "It's how you're supposed to do it", and "It's proven to work well", are not shining examples of reasoning, to say the least.
8. Why thank you. We should keep a tally, when we agree on five things we each get a gold star.
Ten for a platinum star? If so, I'm in.
9. Ok so someone not resonding to a case HE HAS ALREADY RESPONDED ADEQUATELY TO is a reason for lynching. Let me go update my play book. Why the hell would he post. You have bullied him into a corner. He has already said everything he can say. Asking him to say more is a just a poor excuse to get sub-par, but still town play, out of him. It's a never ending vicious cycle somewhat akin to playground bullying. Take a step back and look at what quaggy has said. If you were town and had the same allegations made against you including a flash wagon that happened while you weren't in the thread the fuck would you react?
Shame on you Sam, Shame on you for placing pressure on a player. Especially when he's either confused himself or in the process of making a misstep.
There was literally no new information from this post. I'm not sure whether or not we should let Brammi keep digging his own hole, or just end his misery right now. =/
@Sam for Quagsires: It doesn't make him look good, but considering he just posted and semi-confirmed he doesn't understand sarcasm, I'm still on the metaphorical fence.
In other news, Hi Quagsires.
