Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 (DS, June in JP, Fall in EU/NA/AU) - Updated May 12th

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"Although Contest conditions are a hidden stat in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen, Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, and Pokémon Black and White, a Feebas that has maximum Beauty will still evolve in these games. The Prism Scale, introduced in Generation V, was created due to the fact that there is no legitimate way to raise the Beauty of a Feebas created in the Generation V games, whereas with FireRed and LeafGreen, a trade to Ruby, Sapphire, or Emerald was all that was required, and a haircut or grooming by Daisy Oak is all that is required in HeartGold and SoulSilver."

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I believe this means that there will be contests in the future...
Since there are no contests in black and white i think they willl be in RSE remakes which WILL happen...
Heres the link
Scroll to the bottom down at trivia

Also 3rd gen remakes are pretty much confirmed:
You can find shoal salt/shell as items in bw here
 
Edit: Nevermind. I completely misread that.

I'm really hoping they keep contests more or less the same in any RS remakes as they did in RSE. Chaining moves together was really fun, even though Curse+Destiny Bond meant that you could win the Master Rank Contests without even using any Pokeblock.
 
God RS remakes is all people talk about lately. Its not even a good idea. And I hope they are smart enough to not make shitty copy paste RS with updated graphics. This aint GS.

What the hell are you talking about? "It's not even a good idea"? There have been remakes for gen. 1 and gen. 2, and RSE has in my opinion a much better storyline than GSC. Making remakes of these games (which were/are very successful and praised) is a logical move of GF... It's a profitable move and will involve older fans of the Pokémon series, just like with HGSS, and apart from that, it's something which 'has to be done'. Better graphics, moving sprites, some amendments in available moves... I don't see anything shitty in that. I think remaking RS is a very good and also very probable option, and apparently many people think like me and therefore it's 'all they talk about'... nothing wrong with this, RS remakes would be awesome
 
What the hell are you talking about? "It's not even a good idea"? There have been remakes for gen. 1 and gen. 2, and RSE has in my opinion a much better storyline than GSC. Making remakes of these games (which were/are very successful and praised) is a logical move of GF... It's a profitable move and will involve older fans of the Pokémon series, just like with HGSS, and apart from that, it's something which 'has to be done'. Better graphics, moving sprites, some amendments in available moves... I don't see anything shitty in that. I think remaking RS is a very good and also very probable option, and apparently many people think like me and therefore it's 'all they talk about'... nothing wrong with this, RS remakes would be awesome

In fact, I'd say it's more likely we'll have a sequel to RS, as BW's events happen a couple (or a lot of) years after GSC/HGSS/DPPt, which in turn are three years after RBY/FRLG/RSE (evidences: That Psychic-type E4, Caitlin iirc, and the message you get when Poké-Transferring a pokémon from Hoenn, "arrived in Unova after a long travel in time" as if it took years migrating to Unova). Now that BW2 has been announced, I'm positive that will be their course of action for Hoenn.
 
In fact, I'd say it's more likely we'll have a sequel to RS, as BW's event happen a couple (or a lot of) years after GSC/HGSS/DPPt, which in turn are three years after RBY/FRLG/RSE (evidences: That Psychic-type E4, Caitlin iirc, and the message you get when Poké-Transferring a pokémon from Hoenn, "arrived in Unova after a long travel in time" as if it took years migrating to Unova). Now that BW2 has been announced, that will be their course of action for Hoenn.

Also the HGSS foreign rocket grunt settled down, got married, and has a child.
 
One thing that might be interesting with Black 2 and White 2 could be the TM system and Tutor attacks. It takes them a full generation to refine the TM list once they realize an attack's no good (see: Nightmare, Water Pulse, Shock Wave). With the new TM system in place, we could see a revamped TM list sooner than ever and maybe even forgo new tutor attacks altogether.
 
What the hell are you talking about? "It's not even a good idea"? There have been remakes for gen. 1 and gen. 2, and RSE has in my opinion a much better storyline than GSC. Making remakes of these games (which were/are very successful and praised) is a logical move of GF... It's a profitable move and will involve older fans of the Pokémon series, just like with HGSS, and apart from that, it's something which 'has to be done'. Better graphics, moving sprites, some amendments in available moves... I don't see anything shitty in that. I think remaking RS is a very good and also very probable option, and apparently many people think like me and therefore it's 'all they talk about'... nothing wrong with this, RS remakes would be awesome

I was sleepy, and got what I expected lol.

Alright, let me elaborate.

FRLG remakes had all the reasons in the world to be made.
And they pulled of a nice side quest with the Sevii islands, got us half of the Johto pokes in gen III too...
HGSS was much more cash milking. But it was the thing to do when everyone was screaming for it for half a decade in every corner of the internet.
But, still, there was lots of things to improve on that, like all the places they had to leave out in GS due to data limits, they could now bring back. Improve the plots, make actual rocket admins, it was nostalgia pure coupled with neat stuff.

Now RS.
It seems like an obvious move at first, sure.
But once you just start to think about the basic stuff like incorporating Emeralds plot into them.....
RS were made for Emerald to follow them. With Emeralds plot in RS remakes, might as well call them Emerald remake A and B.

Hoenn was quite well developed and all. It started to go into all the details that are still the standard from then on.

While they could just make plain remakes, and still make tons of profit,
I argue there is a much smarter move. And gamefreak seems to always be a step ahead of the predictable.

So thats why I thought, what could be an interesting twist regarding this whole remake thing.

How about they make a game in Hoenn... but not remakes. A new game. Set in Hoenn a decade later.
Some gym leaders replaced by younger relatives or friends, some just older.
Villanious teams lead by some silly noobs from the old team who don't agree with Maxie/Archie that the whole thing was wrong.
Plot more focused on the rest of the legends... Regigigas incorporated along with more of the gen 4 stuff which is related to Hoenn... Jirachi has an ingame event encounter and more about Deoxys...many places changed over the years, safari got even bigger...tons of references to old games... old heroes Red-style somewhere... so it just all flies out when you start thinking.

Just imagine the adverts. A completely new adventure! Revisiting the exotic Hoenn region!
Then offer the GBA originals as download for 3DS and its all complete.

And no I'm not all "there will be sequels instead of remakes" just because Black/White 2 right now,
I've been contemplating this as a plan where everyone wins, before BW2 were announced. Except now people actually think it's possible and figure out it WOULD be a nice twist.
 
I was sleepy, and got what I expected lol.

Alright, let me elaborate.

FRLG remakes had all the reasons in the world to be made.
And they pulled of a nice side quest with the Sevii islands, got us half of the Johto pokes in gen III too...
HGSS was much more cash milking. But it was the thing to do when everyone was screaming for it for half a decade in every corner of the internet.
But, still, there was lots of things to improve on that, like all the places they had to leave out in GS due to data limits, they could now bring back. Improve the plots, make actual rocket admins, it was nostalgia pure coupled with neat stuff.

Now RS.
It seems like an obvious move at first, sure.
But once you just start to think about the basic stuff like incorporating Emeralds plot into them.....
RS were made for Emerald to follow them. With Emeralds plot in RS remakes, might as well call them Emerald remake A and B.

Hoenn was quite well developed and all. It started to go into all the details that are still the standard from then on.

While they could just make plain remakes, and still make tons of profit,
I argue there is a much smarter move. And gamefreak seems to always be a step ahead of the predictable.

So thats why I thought, what could be an interesting twist regarding this whole remake thing.

How about they make a game in Hoenn... but not remakes. A new game. Set in Hoenn a decade later.
Some gym leaders replaced by younger relatives or friends, some just older.
Villanious teams lead by some silly noobs from the old team who don't agree with Maxie/Archie that the whole thing was wrong.
Plot more focused on the rest of the legends... Regigigas incorporated along with more of the gen 4 stuff which is related to Hoenn... Jirachi has an ingame event encounter and more about Deoxys...many places changed over the years, safari got even bigger...tons of references to old games... old heroes Red-style somewhere... so it just all flies out when you start thinking.

Just imagine the adverts. A completely new adventure! Revisiting the exotic Hoenn region!
Then offer the GBA originals as download for 3DS and its all complete.

And no I'm not all "there will be sequels instead of remakes" just because Black/White 2 right now,
I've been contemplating this as a plan where everyone wins, before BW2 were announced. Except now people actually think it's possible and figure out it WOULD be a nice twist.

That sounds awesome. If only GF would actually do new innovative things. Even though the advertising would really attract fans, I don't think they will spend much time on this stuff. Imagine having a Battle Frontier competition with all the Champions gathered with you in them. The possibilities are endless with Hoenn. They could even incorporate a whole side plot on Deoxys and the Meteor, if you take it to the Science lab you get transported to space, which looks a bit like Distortion World, etc.
 
One thing that might be interesting with Black 2 and White 2 could be the TM system and Tutor attacks. It takes them a full generation to refine the TM list once they realize an attack's no good (see: Nightmare, Water Pulse, Shock Wave). With the new TM system in place, we could see a revamped TM list sooner than ever and maybe even forgo new tutor attacks altogether.

May I idly speculate?

Since we can't trade TMs, who's to say that BW2 have to have the same TM list? They could put an entirely different set of 95 TMs in the game. I'm speculating at TM list overhaul because they can, not being bound to the same TM list between compatible versions.

That said, I agree that it's entirely possible that we get entirely new TMs/HMs list. Well, maybe not entirely new... Stuff like Hidden Power/Protect/Ice Beam/Thunderbolt/Flamethrower/Hyper Beam/Safeguard/Light Screen/Reflect and such are all relatively safe. But some of the more random moves (Struggle Bug, Venoshock) could be replaced. But I wouldn't expect a TM list full of awesome: TMs have to be balanced for in game just as much as being useful for competitive play.
 
*phew* off of 666 posts. Yay.

Anyways, I don't think GF is EVER going to give us a balanced TM/HM list, since it's GF, but, I do expect a new storyline, and hopefully one that isn't just a few extra details. I also hope they release a 3DS version(if only for the extra cash)
 
so they just announced an event for Zekrom and Reshiram that know Haze and Mist respectively, Ice moves. trollololololol.
 
They seemed to have gone quiet since the initial announcement. You'd think with the game only a few months away from release they'd reveal more information faster.
 
We probably won't get any more information until the next Corocoro comes out on the 15th. It will probably get leaked a few days early.
 
so they just announced an event for Zekrom and Reshiram that know Haze and Mist respectively, Ice moves. trollololololol.

They're the same Reshiram and Zekrom that were distributed at Japanese Cinema for the Victini Movie last year.

Mist's Japanese name is "White Mist" while Haze's Japanese name is "Black Mist". The moves are only tied in via color, nothing to do with BW2.
 
They're the same Reshiram and Zekrom that were distributed at Japanese Cinema for the Victini Movie last year.

Mist's Japanese name is "White Mist" while Haze's Japanese name is "Black Mist". The moves are only tied in via color, nothing to do with BW2.

i just thought it was interesting that those two are getting ice moves now.
 
I was sleepy, and got what I expected lol.

Alright, let me elaborate.

FRLG remakes had all the reasons in the world to be made.
And they pulled of a nice side quest with the Sevii islands, got us half of the Johto pokes in gen III too...
HGSS was much more cash milking. But it was the thing to do when everyone was screaming for it for half a decade in every corner of the internet.
But, still, there was lots of things to improve on that, like all the places they had to leave out in GS due to data limits, they could now bring back. Improve the plots, make actual rocket admins, it was nostalgia pure coupled with neat stuff.

Now RS.
It seems like an obvious move at first, sure.
But once you just start to think about the basic stuff like incorporating Emeralds plot into them.....
RS were made for Emerald to follow them. With Emeralds plot in RS remakes, might as well call them Emerald remake A and B.

Hoenn was quite well developed and all. It started to go into all the details that are still the standard from then on.

While they could just make plain remakes, and still make tons of profit,
I argue there is a much smarter move. And gamefreak seems to always be a step ahead of the predictable.

So thats why I thought, what could be an interesting twist regarding this whole remake thing.

How about they make a game in Hoenn... but not remakes. A new game. Set in Hoenn a decade later.
Some gym leaders replaced by younger relatives or friends, some just older.
Villanious teams lead by some silly noobs from the old team who don't agree with Maxie/Archie that the whole thing was wrong.
Plot more focused on the rest of the legends... Regigigas incorporated along with more of the gen 4 stuff which is related to Hoenn... Jirachi has an ingame event encounter and more about Deoxys...many places changed over the years, safari got even bigger...tons of references to old games... old heroes Red-style somewhere... so it just all flies out when you start thinking.

Just imagine the adverts. A completely new adventure! Revisiting the exotic Hoenn region!
Then offer the GBA originals as download for 3DS and its all complete.

And no I'm not all "there will be sequels instead of remakes" just because Black/White 2 right now,
I've been contemplating this as a plan where everyone wins, before BW2 were announced. Except now people actually think it's possible and figure out it WOULD be a nice twist.

Alright, this looks more like it ;)...
Although I like your theory, just as the one of Mario with Lasers, nothing can be for sure, we don't even know how much BW2 will be real sequels to the original BW games. It's true that RBY needed remakes, mainly for the graphics (imo then), while Emerald is decent visually and is enjoyable to play, but still, the GameBoy era is over... I don't know the features of the 3DS, so if that download thing you're talking about exists, and emerald could be downloaded, then that'd be chill...
Still, as much as I'd like a direct sequel or 'a decade further-sequel' I think that the only thing we can expect is a 'simple' remake, the usual type. Anyways, let's keep this discussion for some other time, we're discussing RS remakes while we have two upcoming games which ARE confirmed :D and we should focuse our thoughts on these two games
 
Yep.

I summed up my current thoughts about what's up with these formes here
http://saiph-charon.deviantart.com/journal/Mystery-about-Kyurems-formes-My-take-on-it-288790765

specifically how much of sequels these will be.. I doubt we can expect new protagonists or main villains.

But I do wonder whether they were planning ahead for BW2 when they were making the region.
Maybe this time we go the east side up first?
Kyurem is found on the post-story side of Unova in BW after all.. Landorus could feel less like some natdex legend ala Heatran too if it was available earlier..
That would require some really big changes though.
...it'd need 3 gym replacements, but even though there are 3 types left unused by gyms/E4 I seriously doubt it.
Or maybe that's just the kind of changes the 2 is supposed to indicate? No idea.
but theres so much important stuff in the west, Cobalion, the locations like Chargestone cave, snow, Dragonspiral tower e_____e

Since there will be no "new" pokemon, I assume they have some hefty stuff for the rest of the games in mind. They're good at this. Always shake things up when it gets predictable.
 
But I do wonder whether they were planning ahead for BW2 when they were making the region.
Maybe this time we go the east side up first?
They'll probably just have kyurem appear at the elite four like giratina appearing at mt.cornet in platinum.

I don't know if this is possible but I hope Kyurem's new forms don't have to wait a turn to use their signature 130bp moves and that the charge turn now is just to show how kyurem(smeargle) is lacking the traits of reshiram/zekrom.
 
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