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The Everything Eli Manning Thread - Overrated Edition
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NFC:
North: Packers
South: Falcons
East: Giants
West: 49ers
AFC:
North: Steelers
South: Texans
East: Patriots
West: Chargers
Wildcard:
NFC: Eagles, Bears
AFC: Ravens, Broncos
North: Packers
South: Falcons
East: Giants
West: 49ers
AFC:
North: Steelers
South: Texans
East: Patriots
West: Chargers
Wildcard:
NFC: Eagles, Bears
AFC: Ravens, Broncos
Very stupid, very early, probably very wrong predictions:
NFC:
North: Packers
South: Falcons
East: Eagles
West: Niners
WCs: Bears, Giants
Giants @ Niners
Bears @ Falcons
Falcons @ Eagles
Giants @ Packers
Eagles @ Packers
AFC:
North: Ravens
South: Texans
East: Patriots
West: Broncos
WCs: Steelers, Bills
Bills @ Broncos
Steelers @ Texans
Bills @ Patriots
Texans @ Ravens
Ravens @ Patriots
Packers vs Ravens
Tidbits:
The Eagles still are amongst the league leaders in turnovers, but a reinvigorated defense + receiving core gets them the #2 seed in the NFC. Vick gets hurt at least once and only plays in 14 games.
Reunited with Brandon Marshall, Cutler finally becomes a threat at quarterback and posts a 63% completion percentage on the way to an 11-5 record - mostly against substandard opposition.
With so many high caliber teams relying so heavily on their quarterbacks, some of them are bound to falter - Stafford hurts his shoulder and the Lions limp through the second half of the season, and Eli loses some of the magic that got him through last season and posts 25 turnovers, though the Giants sneak into the playoffs.
Despite being the #1 overall pick in every fantasy league in the nation, Cam Newton continues his pace from the 2nd half of 2011 by throwing for less than 250 yards per game yet maintaining consistent touchdown statistics. ESPN never stops talking about his "sophomore slump" even though he never threw for more than 300 yards a game after the fourth week of 2011.
Against all odds, Sam Bradford is amazingly a worse quarterback than he was last year.
Suggs' injury does not plague the Ravens' defense as much as people think it will, but a surprising resurgence by none other than Flacco himself is what puts the Ravens ahead of the aging Steelers in the AFC North. The Bungles return to being mediocre, though Weeden shows some promise for the Browns while Richardson falls flat on his face.
The Texans steamroll the AFC South, but struggle outside of their own division.
The Patriots split their regular season games with the Bills, but dominate the rest of their easy schedule on their way to the #1 seed... *again.* The Bills have to stave off the streaky Jets in week 17 for the final playoff spot.
Peyton struggles early and appears to have aged several years since he last played for the Colts; the Broncos balance an average offense with a great defense to win the AFC West.
RGIII & Luck are as advertised - Luck is a consistent playmaker for the Colts, while RGIII is streaky but at his best a better playmaker than either Luck or Newton. Neither team has a winning record, however.
Tebow time! The Jets find a niche for our lord and savior, giving him special teams duty as a blocker for punts. Eventually they utilize him in their fake punt package, and pretty soon they start running fake punts on every fourth down. His shining moment comes week 16 against San Diego, where he takes a fake punt in overtime 20 yards for the game winning TD, putting them in contention for the playoffs. When asked why they didn't just kick a field goal, Rex Ryan admits his confusion over whether or not the new overtime rules applied to regular season games.
NFC:
North: Packers
South: Falcons
East: Eagles
West: Niners
WCs: Bears, Giants
Giants @ Niners
Bears @ Falcons
Falcons @ Eagles
Giants @ Packers
Eagles @ Packers
AFC:
North: Ravens
South: Texans
East: Patriots
West: Broncos
WCs: Steelers, Bills
Bills @ Broncos
Steelers @ Texans
Bills @ Patriots
Texans @ Ravens
Ravens @ Patriots
Packers vs Ravens
Tidbits:
The Eagles still are amongst the league leaders in turnovers, but a reinvigorated defense + receiving core gets them the #2 seed in the NFC. Vick gets hurt at least once and only plays in 14 games.
Reunited with Brandon Marshall, Cutler finally becomes a threat at quarterback and posts a 63% completion percentage on the way to an 11-5 record - mostly against substandard opposition.
With so many high caliber teams relying so heavily on their quarterbacks, some of them are bound to falter - Stafford hurts his shoulder and the Lions limp through the second half of the season, and Eli loses some of the magic that got him through last season and posts 25 turnovers, though the Giants sneak into the playoffs.
Despite being the #1 overall pick in every fantasy league in the nation, Cam Newton continues his pace from the 2nd half of 2011 by throwing for less than 250 yards per game yet maintaining consistent touchdown statistics. ESPN never stops talking about his "sophomore slump" even though he never threw for more than 300 yards a game after the fourth week of 2011.
Against all odds, Sam Bradford is amazingly a worse quarterback than he was last year.
Suggs' injury does not plague the Ravens' defense as much as people think it will, but a surprising resurgence by none other than Flacco himself is what puts the Ravens ahead of the aging Steelers in the AFC North. The Bungles return to being mediocre, though Weeden shows some promise for the Browns while Richardson falls flat on his face.
The Texans steamroll the AFC South, but struggle outside of their own division.
The Patriots split their regular season games with the Bills, but dominate the rest of their easy schedule on their way to the #1 seed... *again.* The Bills have to stave off the streaky Jets in week 17 for the final playoff spot.
Peyton struggles early and appears to have aged several years since he last played for the Colts; the Broncos balance an average offense with a great defense to win the AFC West.
RGIII & Luck are as advertised - Luck is a consistent playmaker for the Colts, while RGIII is streaky but at his best a better playmaker than either Luck or Newton. Neither team has a winning record, however.
Tebow time! The Jets find a niche for our lord and savior, giving him special teams duty as a blocker for punts. Eventually they utilize him in their fake punt package, and pretty soon they start running fake punts on every fourth down. His shining moment comes week 16 against San Diego, where he takes a fake punt in overtime 20 yards for the game winning TD, putting them in contention for the playoffs. When asked why they didn't just kick a field goal, Rex Ryan admits his confusion over whether or not the new overtime rules applied to regular season games.
Woah man, even I wasn't that ambitious.
DPOY out for season and lose best run stuffing Linebacker in Free Agency, while keeping the Offense identical (Read: Joe Flacco is still starting), "RAVENS STILL GOT THIS. AFC NORTH IS OURS BABY, NEVER GIVING IT BACK."
I read that as "mechanic."
Two things here.... I agree with you in the Falcons winning the South, but beating the Bears? What makes you think they will win a playoff game this year? Secondly, you have the Giants beating the Niners on the road but losing to Green Bay?? The Giants match up stupidly well against the Packers and i can't see them losing, specially in an away PLAYOFF game(the Eli led Giants have a streak in those). I'll believe the Giants lose at home to any team before i believe they lose to the Packers on the road. And by the way, take away the referee given points and the actual score would have looked like this: 42+(Giants)--6(Packers). That's how big of a mismatch these two teams are. And by the way, i'm betting Green Bay wins the regular season game because its at home for the Giants.
This is what i want to happen:
NFC:
West: 49ers(12-4)
East: Cowboys(11-5)
North: Packers (16-0)
South: Falcons(10-6)
WCs: Lions(10-6), Giants (9-7)
WC Games:
Giants @ Cowboys: G-men
Lions @ Falcons : Detroit
Divisional:
Giants @ Packers: G-men
Lions @ 49ers: Detroit
CG:
Giants @ Detroit: G-men
AFC:
Patriots(12-4) vs Broncos(12-4) in AFC Championship game. With the Patriots winning.
Super Bowl:
Patriots vs Giants : G-men
That would be my dream playoff games... However, realistically this will happen:
NFC:
West: 49ers(11-5)
East: Giants(14-2)
North: Packers(14-2)
South: Falcons(9-7)
WCs: Eagles(10-6), Panthers(9-7)
WC Games:
Panthers @ 49ers: San Francisco
Eagles @ Falcons: Philly
Divisional games:
Eagles @ Packers: Green Bay
San Francisco @ Giants: G-men
Championship:
Giants @ Green Bay: G-men
Super Bowl:
Patriots vs Giants: G-men
AFC:
West: Broncos(11-5)
East: Patriots(13-3)
North: Steelers(10-6)
South:Texans(12-4)
WCs: Ravens(10-6), Bills(10-6)
WC games:
Ravens @ Steelers: Baltimore
Bills @ Broncos: Denver
Divisional:
Ravens @ Patriots: New England(just barely)
Broncos @ Texans: Denver
Championship:
Broncos @ Patriots: New England
Thats what probably will happen... And it's funny that anyone doubts the Giants making it to the playoffs. The Giants and Packers will be fighting for the number one seed.
NFC winners:
Cowboys
Lions
Seahawks
Panthers
WC - Packers
WC - Bears
AFC Winners:
Steelers
Patriots
Texans
Raiders
WC - Bills
WC - Broncos
Many of these are odd of course, but I'm going with some hunches I have. We'll see just how crazy they were at the end of season!
Cowboys
Lions
Seahawks
Panthers
WC - Packers
WC - Bears
AFC Winners:
Steelers
Patriots
Texans
Raiders
WC - Bills
WC - Broncos
Many of these are odd of course, but I'm going with some hunches I have. We'll see just how crazy they were at the end of season!
i haven't looked at schedules so i could end up being way off but since we're all making our predictions a few months before the season starts, might as well join in
NFC: Packers, Falcons, Giants, 49ers
Wild card: Lions, Eagles
AFC: Steelers, Texans, Patriots, Chargers
Wild card: Ravens, Bills
both are just in North/South/East/West order, not guessing seeds
if the broncos have another easy schedule or if they're better than last year then i guess they would win the division pretty easily, i always guess chargers and they never make it...
NFC: Packers, Falcons, Giants, 49ers
Wild card: Lions, Eagles
AFC: Steelers, Texans, Patriots, Chargers
Wild card: Ravens, Bills
both are just in North/South/East/West order, not guessing seeds
if the broncos have another easy schedule or if they're better than last year then i guess they would win the division pretty easily, i always guess chargers and they never make it...
NFC:
North: Tebow
South: Tebow
East: Tebow
West: Tebow
WCs: Tebow and Tim
AFC:
North: Tebow
South: Tebow
East: Tebow
West: Tebow
WCs: Tebow and Tim
My bold prediction is that the Denver Satans will finish last in their division
North: Tebow
South: Tebow
East: Tebow
West: Tebow
WCs: Tebow and Tim
AFC:
North: Tebow
South: Tebow
East: Tebow
West: Tebow
WCs: Tebow and Tim
My bold prediction is that the Denver Satans will finish last in their division
A timeline set by Suggs, who last I checked wasn't a doctor. Actual Doctors have said that players don't fully recover from his injury until 11 months later, and putting him on beforehand is a gamble. Further, even if you're right, and Suggs comes back in November like he says, and is fully ready, he still missed that first stretch of games where they play the Bengals, Eagles, Patriots, Chiefs, Cowboys, and Texans. I see all those games as easily loseable for the Ravens, which would put them at an realistic 3-4 going into double Steelers, Chargers, Bengals, Broncos Giants games later in the season.
Further an offseason for Torrey Smith to develop as what? I'd be cautious in calling him a passable deep threat (no pun intended) last season and an average regular wide out. If he develops into even a solid receiving option, I'd be impressed. He's a speed demon, no doubt, but definitely lackluster. He certainly didn't show any flash towards having a Gronkowski-esque second season.
Honestly, I'd be really worried if I was a Ravens fan, rather than gung ho. And since I actually am a large AFC North fan, I am worried for them.
Suggs is arguably our best player, but what a lot of you don't realise is that Kruger had 6 sacks in limited time, and Courtney Upshaw will be an upgrade over Jarrett Johnson. Neither of them are Suggs, but they're pretty talented - I wouldn't be surprise to see our defense be top 5 again this season. It's a tough stretch of schedule but I very very much doubt that we go 3-4 over it when we lost four games all of last season. We have 3 players over 30 I think out of our main starters, Flacco is still improving (I hope) and our cornerbacks haven't even entered their primes yet. LaDarius Webb conceded ZERO touchdowns in his first complete season since his injury, Jimmy Smith is a sophomore and looks like he could be an absolute stud and Cary Williams is a fine nickel who could start as a number two CB for many teams. I'm also going to have to respectfully disagree with you about Torrey Smith. Almost 1000 yards receiving (841 when he wasnt getting regular snaps to start) at 17 yards per catch isn't a passable deep threat? He's a rookie....you've got to be kidding me if you dont think he has a chance to crack 1000 yards in his second year. I know you were just making predictions for fun and I know you don't follow the Ravens like I do, but I think you're completely wrong about us making the playoffs. We have a similar number (if not fewer) issues then teams like the Patriots (amazing aerial offense with dominant tight ends but a suspect running game and especially defense, although the draft may help with that) and a few of the other teams WaterBomb put ahead of us. This could sound like homer speak, but I'm also the person who said that the Lakers aren't gonna get out of the second round without a non DFish point guard (and even then we still might struggle if we make it past Denver). I'm as realistic as a sports fan gets, and assuming that Ngata, Flacco or another integral player doesn't have a catastrophic injury, I'm comfortable in saying that the Ravens have a very high shot at a wild card at minimum.
No, I don't. The reason behind this is that I'm convinced this will be Lewis' last year. I also think age will catch him and his production will slow this year. Without Suggs (who will not be 100% until after the season is over anyway), the defense will lack a serious pass rusher period. Upshaw has high potential but he's still a rookie. Couple that with a new DC coming in and Ed Reed missing part of the season due to injury (hunch, hasn't happened yet obviously), Ravens D will be a mere shadow of its former self.
On the offensive side, their QB is still Joe Flacco, who is not a high caliber QB. Throw as many stats at me as you want, I've been watching him since he was a rookie and I would rank him about the same as Alex Smith. This team has been taken to the playoffs by their defense and Ray Rice, and without the defense Rice will not be able to shoulder the load by himself. Incidentally, due to the increased load on Rice, he will have a down year (by his standards) as the Ravens miss the playoffs at 9-7.
Please bear in mind that these predictions I made were largely intuitive, so I could very easily be proven wrong. I, however, stand by them and can't wait to see how they turn out.
Related to a previous discussion:
"Cousins, who a team source tells me the Redskins had as the No. 3 quarterback in the draft behind Luck and Griffin and a second round value, is also an ideal fit in the Shanahan's scheme." (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...ts-selecting-cousins-a-savvy-move-by-redskins)
If the Skins really did have him ranked that highly, it was a good pick - can't just pass up on value like that.
"Cousins, who a team source tells me the Redskins had as the No. 3 quarterback in the draft behind Luck and Griffin and a second round value, is also an ideal fit in the Shanahan's scheme." (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...ts-selecting-cousins-a-savvy-move-by-redskins)
If the Skins really did have him ranked that highly, it was a good pick - can't just pass up on value like that.
Please. One player doesnt make a team, I've already outlined above how while we'll miss Suggs, that he doesn't make our defense. Ray Lewis is still a pretty good player but we rely on him for leadership more ten his football skills these days. We did go 4-0 without him after all. Also why does everyone cite age with our team? We have 2-3 players over 30!!!! I don't see you harping on about how old the Steelers are, who are an older team then us. Lastly, Ray Rice's workload will decrease because we drafted a pretty good running back in the third round (Bernard pierce) to spell him more often. Lol Flacco isn't elite but he's better then Alex Smith. Last year was eh but his 09 and 10 numbers kick the ass of Smith's career best ones. Not to mention he had some of his best games when it counted (playoffs, he kicked ass both games against you as well). Anyway your picks are just that, intuition. I look forward to seeing the Steelers become an offense heavy team (due to their better o line), but have their defense drop off due to age and having terrible terrible corners outside of Ike Taylor. Next year I expect you to make the playoffs as a WC again, but I am honestly licking my lips because from 2013 onwards, you'll be the third best team in the division and salary cap fucked where as the much younger Ravens and Bengals will be battling for first.
I don't watch every Ravens game, but I follow them enough. I know that Jarret Johnson was top ten of all OLBs in run defending, and you just said that a second round pick is gonna show that kind of production in his Rookie Season. That's optimistic. TSuggs being DPOY of the year should speak for itself, in that he was a one man wrecking crew and was a large part of the Ravens success. Again, thinking that him being gone won't hurt the Ravens much you're being optimistic. They're gonna be weaker than they're used to in the run game with those two gone, and that stretch of games have some pretty good Running Backs to expose the weakness. Nothing wrong with optimism, but you have to admit things look shaky.
As for Torrey Smith, we'll see. I was unimpressed.
Yo dawg, I want to throw stats at you right now because Joe Flacco isn't even as good as Alex Smith... I'd put Flacco barely over Mark Sanchez.
So you really think The Tebow will work then? We will see... Still, i would place the Titans before the Jets at this point.
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