Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 Move Tutor Moves

I want to hug the Roost tutor..so many viable potential users:

Archeops? Please don't pull a Regigigas on it GF. Let it have Roost to mitigate damage from its terribad ability and SR weakness.

Braviary? Bulk Up may be viable now that it will probably have a way to recover damage incurred while setting up. Even without Bulk Up it will appreciate being able to recover LO and Brave Bird recoil.

Volcarona? A bulky setup set that can't heal status but offers more immediate recovery.

Gliscor?

Genies? Regeneration + Roost Birdorus? Bulk Up + Intimidate Panthorus?

Druddigon? Hey..if Dunsparce gets it. Roost would suit its bulkish stat spread + Rough Skin. This Pokemon would actually be pretty cool (and a basement-tier threat) with just a few buffs to play to its strengths. I'd love for it to get Dragon Rush by some means. A 100BP Dragon attack with STAB and Sheer Force is almost 200BP. Break everything with powerful, low-accuracy CB set or try setting up with Hone Claws. Fire Punch would benefit as well. Its speed is abyssmal, but then there's Sucker Punch.
 
Alucard said:
I think it would make more sense if Haxorus got aqua tail rather than fire punch, after all it gets dragon tail eheh. Aqua tail woul be quite useful for Gliscor and balloon Heatran. Fire punch would be optimal in terms of coverage though.
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JSYK, Aqua tail has the same BP vs Gliscor as Outrage. Losing coverage on balloon tran is annoying (you can 2hko tran with outrage with some prior damage)

Fire Punch pretty much makes ferro and skarm (at +2) a non factor though i'm not liking his odds.
 
I don't know if this topic is the right place to put this but with the release of the new moves and Pokemon is it possible to use some of the ubers (like Garchomp, Thundurus, Excadrill) back?
 
Fire Punch will be useful on Hax since it hardly has anything for its final moveslot anyway. But I calced long ago and Skarm still survives it at +1. Maybe it could drop EQ and run Fire Punch along with Taunt to set up on Skarm. Dragon/Fire has great coverage but Mold Breaker EQ is more powerful and useful overall.

BTW, my hunch is that it's getting Fire Punch.
 
I don't understand why people doubt fire punch haxorus, loads of things get elemental punches. However at the same time, I'm doubtful of any of the musketeers getting punches because they DON'T HAVE ARMS. Plus I see poison jab and x scissor being easily explained on terrakion by its horns, but horns still can't punch.

Sigh... time to send salamence back to ubers...and if gliscor goes, I'm glad except for that I can't play around with tentascor in the rain, and I only did that for like 2 weeks in april. I'm tired of needing to put starmie on all my teams to make dealing with gliscor easier anyways.
 
PK Gaming said:
JSYK, Aqua tail has the same BP vs Gliscor as Outrage. Losing coverage on balloon tran is annoying (you can 2hko tran with outrage with some prior damage)
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I know, but with waterfall you don't lock yourself into outrage nor you get confusion. Plus dragon+water is only resisted by Ferrothorn in OU i.e. perfect neutral coverage with just 2 moves and you can still use brick break for Ferro (or why not superpower if it gets it).
 
What exacly is the logic behind banning a great defensive pokemon like Gliscor, ive seen it a few times in this thread. There are still plenty of physical attackers that can break through it and you can always use a special attacker... Banning gliscor is like banning a worse version of Blissey from the physical side.
 
deluge said:
Fire Punch will be useful on Hax since it hardly has anything for its final moveslot anyway. But I calced long ago and Skarm still survives it at +1. Maybe it could drop EQ and run Fire Punch along with Taunt to set up on Skarm. Dragon/Fire has great coverage but Mold Breaker EQ is more powerful and useful overall.

BTW, my hunch is that it's getting Fire Punch.
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I really doubt Haxorus will get Fire Punch, what would stop Game Freak from putting it on him already? As pointed out earlier, Haxorus design is based on puren physical strength of a Dragon, not the elements it can conjor up. Most of Haxorus' attacks deal with his force or axe-like appendages (outrage, earthquake, EQ, dual chop). Surf in his movepool indicates his ability to swim strongly and pokemon such as Gen II Rhydon (the hm giver had one) and hariyaka demonstarte thism

Fire Punch would push CB Haxorus over the edge. 2HKO's skarmory with stealth rockm. What I can see happeninng Haxorus getting Superpower which is a very nice upgrade from Brick Break.
 
Scarfwynaut said:
What exacly is the logic behind banning a great defensive pokemon like Gliscor, ive seen it a few times in this thread. There are still plenty of physical attackers that can break through it and you can always use a special attacker... Banning gliscor is like banning a worse version of Blissey from the physical side.
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I don't believe any defensive pokemon have ever been banned, except perhaps Wobbufet (and even then he falls more into support). I suppose the logic behind it if only a small amount of physical pokemon can beat it (I'd say, for a wall, 5% of OU's physical attackers), it is too powerful. With Blissey, you have special attackers using Psyshock, or going mixed where they otherwise wouldn't have to. Basically, if only a few physical sweepers can get around Gliscor, it should be banned. The arguement "Special sweeper beat it" really only works to a small degree, as it's a physical wall. And the Deoxys-S ban set the precedent that "Anything that is far superior at its job than any other pokemon that attempts to do something similar is broken".

And it really isn't a far worse Blissey. Blissey is primarily good at supporting with giant wishes, using special attacks as free switch-ins. Gliscor, on the otherhand, is outright walling physical threats. With Roost + Poison Heal, anything physical has trouble switching in and 2HKOing.

That's my theory, anyway.
 
ThePillsburyDoughBoy said:
I really doubt Haxorus will get Fire Punch, what would stop Game Freak from putting it on him already? As pointed out earlier, Haxorus design is based on puren physical strength of a Dragon, not the elements it can conjor up. Most of Haxorus' attacks deal with his force or axe-like appendages (outrage, earthquake, EQ, dual chop). Surf in his movepool indicates his ability to swim strongly and pokemon such as Gen II Rhydon (the hm giver had one) and hariyaka demonstarte thism

Fire Punch would push CB Haxorus over the edge. 2HKO's skarmory with stealth rockm. What I can see happeninng Haxorus getting Superpower which is a very nice upgrade from Brick Break.
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What stops them from putting any tutor move on a Pokemon from the beginning. I guess we wouldn't have tutor moves then!

I'm basing my hunch on Haxorus being a physically oriented bipedal dragon with very well developed arms and fingers.
Whenever there has been a Fire Punch tutor, such Pokemon were able to learn it.

Not to say your argument has no merit. Haxorus' current movepool is striking for its lack of the typical elemental attacks.
But I still feel he'll get Fire Punch.
 
Wait just a minute there. Nidoqueen can finall be bulky, have rocks AND run an offensive set with said rocks? Sign me up for some of that.
 
Saitsuofleaves said:
But hasn't it be hinted that Dugtrio actually does have claws, and we just can't see them as they're perennially underground?
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Dugtrio even learns Scratch and Slash.

I have just looked in wordreference Sucker Punch and it means something like "An unexpeted hit", it hasn't to be done by a punch.

So in english means the same than in Japanese with "Surprise attack" because it is a set phrase which does not mean the same that the two words alone.


Going back to the thread..., SR Nidoqueen sounds nice, I had a Nidoqueen with SR and Super Fang and I must to run Poison Point, which even almost never activates, now she can run the same set with Sheer Forced Flamethrower.
 
Gliscor set ?

Scarfwynaut said:
This is what:

Gliscor (F) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Taunt / Toxic
- Ice Fang

Oh god yes. I still may personally run protect though because passive recovery, Ill mess around with it.

Also don't disillusion yourself, payback literally only hits Jellicent. Reunicles and Slowbro laugh at 50 pase power payback and Alakazam, Espeon, and Gengar, Latios, Starmie 1HKO you. Latias and Celebi can take a payback fine and kill you in 2 hits.
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You know, you could probably run sub instead of IF if you run toxic. Think about it, who are you hitting with IF ? Landbro, D-nite, other Gliscor, Salamense, etc. Sub scouts for HP Ice as toxic and proceed to stall him to death. Same thing for Sala. The only problem is other Gliscor with this set. But could it work ?
 
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