Company Mafia - Day 5 End - Won by the Workers

Also, vintage brooks is I think a less viable lynch target than capefeather, but both are good targets for today. Capefeather has given us nothing but excuses for being busy. Vb, I'll Reread the thread later but I believe has offered a read or two.

I fucking hate inactives with a passion.
 
attn walrein
do you have a response to my posts or are you just ignoring me?
I dunno but i am getting a feeling I am being ignored (even though I am bringing up very valid points)

Regarding this whole od controversy I find that lynching him today is overall a bad idea when we have people like walrein flying under the radar. Orcinus right now is one of the only people driving conversation and I don't really see why we would want to lose that right now when there are other equally as valid lynches. Cereza's info most definetly does not mean od is scum. Just my two cents.

Can someone remind me again why all of a sudden dle is now 100% village?
 
He drove the lynch on day 1, and a day 1 bus never happens. Ever.

Itcni's argument against me lacks any reason whatsoever. I find this as a giant noobish OMGUS.

Walrein is flying under our radar, but can we deal with one inactive at a time? Namely, capefeather? I have a strong gut feel about this, supported by the lack of any posts of value.
 
Oh yeah. We shouldn't discount AG as the possibility of being mafia even though he posts gigantic reads regularly. They definitely help us tons, but we shouldn't treat his word as gospel.

Maybe Jalmont should troll less.
 
Ok because I have a bit of time I thought i would do a read of coolking49, because I feel he has been flying under the radar a bit.

Post 1:
Tells rediamond that it is no use investigating Ullar becuase it is most likely that he is clean.

Post 2:

says that it no use voting walrein due to not enough time to decide whether he is scum or not. Claims to prefer being cautious in mafia games. Says ullars role makes him nervous, but puts the town in a better position.

Post 3:
Not much to note in this post.

Post 4:
Supports walrein and agrees with not lynching him and think procks is a better target. THinks itchni has been acting hipocritical and a bit scummy, thinks DarkPenguin needs to post more. Doesn't think rediamond is worthy of a lynch. Finds itchni to be acting very scummy. requests DLE to tell him who he wants to lynch. Thinks i havent contibuted anything (which i hadnt). Votes for Itchni

Post 5:
Summaries his post

Post 6:
changes vote to darkpenguin, posts a random video from game of thrones that seems to make no sense. pretty much blindly follows DLE's vote.

Post 7:
Thinks that shinyskarmory's claim of a sane inspector that announces to the public would be broken. Thinks more likley to be a mafia announcer. Again, thinks procks is acting scummy.

Post 8:
Reads through a few of shinyskarmorys post and thinks he is mafia. bitches at procks again for being stupid.

Post 9:
adds a bit extra about procks wording his post wrong

Post 10:
Thinks both Itchni and DLE are pretty much clean. Finds Cereza to be pretty scummy for jumping on the shinyskarmory wagon right away.

Post 11:
Says he finds Cereza really scummy and places his vote on him. Says he doesnt suspect SS as being scum just yet

Post 12:
Removes his vote from Cereza becuase DLE said to.

Conclusion:
Has been playing very cautiously (i am not one to talk but w/e) Has been posting quite a bit, and saying a lot, but never anything that might aggravate any players (except procks lol) and never anything that might cause any unwanted attention, or anything even slightly controversial. Seems to be going with the general consensus with most of the things he says.

Opinion:
hard one, but at the moment I am going to say I have moderate suspicions of him being scum.
 
I'll be honest I totally missed Cereza claiming last night which is why I was so confused as to why everyone was unvoting her all of a sudden.

THanks vintage books, good post, but wrong conclusion. I want to point out that going with the general conclusion usually is what makes it general. No need to be a contrarian. At the same time, I haven't always done what's popular (not voting Walrein, voting cereza despite DLE telling me not to).

Walrein is making me slightly suspicious, but honestly looking through the recent posts, all I see which would indicate anything is asking for a counterclaim from the announcer. I honestly have no reads right now, though may try to get one later today.
 
At the same time, I haven't always done what's popular (not voting Walrein, voting cereza despite DLE telling me not to).

##unvote since I'm confused as to what just happened, DLE said dont vote cereza and was right last time, and really need to both re-read the past few pages and go to sleep. See you all in 12 hours or so. Yeah, I'm kind f a yes man while tired.


??? you did pretty much remove your vote due to DLE saying to.
 
I just realized after about midnight I won't be around for at all until a couple of hours after deadline. In the future it may be better to place deadlines a bit later than 5 EDT. :(

It's getting clear to me that reads matter far more than anything else that has been said. I could, and probably should, almost ignore much of the stuff that has been said that's mainly psychological tactics.

I'll start with Orcinus Duo because why not... It seems like everybody "important" has been read once, anyway, so it can't hurt to have another... I don't even remember Aura Guardian's read at this point, so it could be interesting, idk.

1. Votes Aura Guardian.
2. Survey. Being more nooby than I thought I was, I didn't think this was an attempt at anything. The main accomplishment is to put pressure on inactives, but it generally establishes paranoia and I think that hurts inexperienced and/or quiet villagers more than anyone. I'd still say this is leaning town if taken at face value.
3. "I had idlers with a passion." lol okay. Otherwise answering his own questions. I'm bolding this because it's pretty much a running theme and I'm starting to think he's contributed less than it looks like. Insisting on lynching inactives is understandable and all, considering the circumstances, but this many times?
4-7. Arguing with Aura Guardian. Establishing personality/playstyle I guess.
8-9. Calls out Itchni and Jalmont for lurking the thread. Tells inspector(s) to inspect inactives. Also calls out coolking. Tells Paperblade not to vote Rediamond.
10. More inactive-bashing.
11. Goes after Walrein and darkpenguin67.
12. Decides on Walrein.
13. "Is voting PokemonRocks for stupidity a valid reason" Kind of being a hypocrite here imo. Voting isn't just to get someone lynched; it's also to pressure them. And he obviously knows this given his behaviour. I get that I didn't explicitly say that back then, but still.
14-15. Calls for getting Walrein to L-1, then suggests PokemonRocks?
16. Criticizes Rediamond's scum faction hypothesis, and quite aggressively at that. Notable since he's part of said hypothesis. Also criticizes the case against PokemonRocks.
17. Goes all over Rediamond because he defended Walrein. Also goes all over Itchni.
18. Something about Jalmont talking about PokemonRocks.
19. "Can I get some opinions on red and Itchni" Man why did I have to pick this guy...?
20. Something about agreeing with darkpenguin67, otherwise more of the same.
21. Vintage Brooks blah blah
22. Starts Itchni wagon, citing his riding the Walrein wagon.
23-24. Seems to demonstrate that he can't read, or at least is pretending he can't. But why would you pretend that?
25. More against Itchni/Walrein.
26. Finally actually votes Itchni.
27. Troll
28-30. lol
31. More inactive callouts.
32. Singles me out for no apparent reason. No, "active lurking" doesn't count. I could have been trying to contribute with, like, a read or something. If I were reading you (like I am now) that would take a long time. And unless you were staring at the thread viewer list and spamming F5, you don't even know if I stopped to attend to other matters on Smogon. I'm kind of a mod, maybe you haven't noticed.
33. lol
34-36. Also antagonizes Itchni because why not, but it's based on Aura Guardian's read so...
37-38. Bangkok stuff. Real nice and hypocritical. Made good his word on the 12 hours thing, though.
39. Above + defends his actions and says shinyskarmory is scum without explanation.
40. Claims he just has strong opinions. No, you're just using a bunch of scare tactics and fishing people with wagons. Either that or you're mafia and actually trying to deceive everyone.
41. Blows off Rediamond's accusation. I guess that's understandable.
42. Starts the inactive callouts again.
43-44. Suggests to have the announcer claim and then to lynch shinyskarmory.
45. More of 41.
46. w/e
47-48. Cute. Honestly, there's nothing to "see through". Any given statement can be rock, paper or scissors. Always assuming someone is playing scissors is probably a bad strategy.
49. Something about Cereza.
50. "And yeah I visited Itchni last night (sounds creepy?). I will not claim, and I may or may not reveal my information gathered, I need to think this through." ...Eh?
51. Doesn't follow Itchni's accusation of him, blows off Rediamond again.
52-54. lol at this point
56. AG/Jalmont stuff.

So basically what I'm getting out of this is:

- He hates inactives. (putting here for posterity because lol like it wasn't obvious)
- Assuming he's town, the D1 wagons were a ploy to point to more people to accuse.
- He really likes to accuse people. No reads, though.
- He doesn't like Rediamond, I guess. Or maybe it's all a ploy and they're both scum!!! ...meh
- 11 is interesting and a possible indicator of town, but then 20...

All he has are suggestions, accusations, and a possible clever mafia-fishing ploy. Putting his uncalled for accusations of me to the side, I'd say this is a null with a slight scum lean. I feel he isn't helping as much as he likes to think, and the posts themselves are painful to read. Scare tactics are great and all, but at one point I genuinely wanted to suicide by godkill. Let's remember the "fun" element that this game is supposed to have, yes?

Also this read took way too long. I was hoping to do more but I just really don't have the time. Perhaps if I were more like Orcinus Duo I'd also blame this on him. It's unfortunate that I have so little to go on in the end but

##Vote Orcinus Duo

I think he just genuinely makes this game frustrating and, if it does come down to this, I'd rather have fun than win. He could be pretty fun to countertroll, though. No strong opinions.
 
Why Orcinus duo is the most suitable lynch target:

I have always had some sort of distrust with Orcinus duo. In this game he has been nothing less than irritating and decietful.

When I received news that He visited me in the night by the oblivious Cerenza, and never got a chance to talk to him I knew that he was one of 2 things:

Village Inspector
Mafia Inspector

I would also be a pretty bad inspect target for the village (mostly clean, while others are more or less scummy). I would be a pretty attractive target for a mafia inspect (accusations of a power role, also mostly clean). People have read him over and over again as mafia and now we have pretty good proof that he is mafia. Remember:

##vote early
##vote often
##vote Orcinus Duo (yes this is a duplicate vote, don't count this one along with my last vote not trying to cheat)
 
capefeather's read is a bit asinine, wouldn't you agree

When I received news that He visited me in the night by the oblivious Cerenza, and never got a chance to talk to him I knew that he was one of 2 things:

Village Inspector
Mafia Inspector

OK that's weird. Once again, i'm not claiming, but how do you know I'm not a doctor, a roleblocker, or a tracker (well, probably wouldn't have a tracker and a watcher in one game).
I would also be a pretty bad inspect target for the village (mostly clean, while others are more or less scummy). I would be a pretty attractive target for a mafia inspect (accusations of a power role, also mostly clean). People have read him over and over again as mafia and now we have pretty good proof that he is mafia.
Fails to introduce any ideas of his own, says "we have pretty good proof that he is mafia", which is, er, well nothing actually. Jumps on other reads of me being scum, which I'll address later. Furthermore, I would like to point out that you would make an excellent village inspect. May I point out that the second largest bandwagon on day 1 was none other than yourself, itchni?

That wasn't descriptive at all, if anything it sounds like you're grasping at straws to make me look scummy.

As for today's lynch target, I would continue to suggest capefeather. His read on me is strange to say the least. I don't find my going on vaca hypocritical, especially since I've been a lot more active than some users, including yourself. I think the read boils down to "I don't like orcinus duo", which on day 2 on a person with 56 posts is a pretty cruddy reason to lynch someone. Looks like capefeather is trying to build on the murky situation surrounding me, what with Cereza's claim and all, and sees an easy lynch for scum to get rid of one of the most active people in town. His only read looks to be a OMGUSing rant about how I'm not a likeable person and how I'm making the game frustrating for him. Well, of course I am, he's scum. ?_?
 
Just before hammer:

@Bodyguard, imo you should be on one of the following: ullar, me, itchni, jalmont. If you want to protect someone else, that's fine, but I would recommend protecting someone active.

next day:
And yeah I visited Itchni last night (sounds creepy?). I will not claim, and I may or may not reveal my information gathered, I need to think this through.

I didn't want to post this on the chance that I'm right and he gets killed, but that wouldn't be as bad as lynching him.
 
attn walrein
do you have a response to my posts or are you just ignoring me?
I dunno but i am getting a feeling I am being ignored (even though I am bringing up very valid points)

Regarding this whole od controversy I find that lynching him today is overall a bad idea when we have people like walrein flying under the radar. Orcinus right now is one of the only people driving conversation and I don't really see why we would want to lose that right now when there are other equally as valid lynches. Cereza's info most definetly does not mean od is scum. Just my two cents.

Can someone remind me again why all of a sudden dle is now 100% village?

I've been doing assorted things all day and truth be told I kinda forgot about this thread amongst all the LoL and Rise of the Runelords (you can ask AG about the second one).

Lemme go find your post and I'll respond to it.
 
WALREIN ANALYSIS

1: RVS
2: "I'm playing LoL, post later"
3: Answers OD's questions, votes DP67 for inactivity
4: pointless post
5: Echoes previous posts; gets called out by Paperblade
6: Calls out inactive users and bandwagoners; notes that a pkmnrocks lynch is a waste of time
7: joke post
8: Votes for pokemonrocks even though he said it would be a waste of a lynch two posts earlier
9: Follows Itchni bandwagon, says procks might be scum
10: Points out the substantial risk involved by BT putting procks on mafia
11: "more suspicious of Itchni" fails to say why
12: points out to Rediamond that Itchni wagon happened before he posted
13: answers a silly survey
14: "dont lynch me im sleeping"
15: excuses excuses excuses
16: I'm back do what paperblade says
17: hammers darkpenguin
18: see 15
19: says stuff about anouncer which as i have said is pointless
20: two sentence explanation on why he found itchni more suspicous. concludes with tl;dr
21: itchni bussing dp or something
22: Notice how me and OD (who have both called him out) are labeled as "scum." PAperblade also called him out and he conveniently died last night. Also unsure why coolking is labeled town, I can't remember him doing anything recently.

Basically most of Walrein's posts are pretty much worthless. A lot of one or two sentence posts, making it appear that he is helping when he really isn't. Kind of reminds me of khz from the returning to our roots noc.

##Vote Walrein

I've never been a person to post a ton of tl;dr, as I find that if you can get a point across in two sentences, why use two paragraphs? It just doesn't make sense.

Also, I didn't say lynching procks would be a waste of time, I said trying to get a read on him would be a waste of time.

If I were mafia, why would I kill Paperblade after he called me out? It would just be putting the nail in my own coffin. I find it more likely that Paperblade was killed because he is an intelligent user and an experienced NOC player, though the same applies to users such as DLE and AG.

Also, I said I was null, leaning scum on you and OD, not outright scum. Stop twisting my words.

Jalmont said:
Rediamond said:
The revival of the Walrein suspicion is mildly disturbing. I've mentioned how the first one was fairly scummy, and people seem to ignore how he was one of the main users to call out Darkpenguin. Somehow this cleans DLE but not Walrein.
Maybe because it was a really random vote that had zero reasoning behind it. Votes in the RVS should not be taken at face value seeing that for all we know, Walrein voted Darkpenguin to take suspicion off of himself. Even towards the end of the day Walrein was favoring an Itchni lynch over darkpenguin so I'm really not sure what you are trying to get at here. Sounds to me like you're trying to take the heat off your scumbuddy.

I called out DP at first for inactivity, then later for inactivity and not contributing when he DID post. Favoring an Itchni lynch over a DP lynch doesn't mean that I didn't think both were scum.

Jalmont said:
Rediamont said:
And he surely had a better target than his scumbuddy, right?
Acutally i feel as if RVS is the perfect time to "bus" your teammates. I don't actually have any data whether or not that is true, but if i get bored i might look at past games and see. Basically, I feel that by voting your teammates then, it makes it appear as if that you aren't ignoring any certain people. idk if i explained right but i hope you get what i mean. Also, if Walrein ignored him it could be seen as "buddying" by not bringing him up.

Jalmont, YOU were my RVS vote. DP was a legitimate callout vote. And taking RVS votes seriously in any way, shape, or form is one of the most ridiculous things I ever heard.

And I haven't mentioned Blue_Tornado in a post yet! Clearly I am buddying him and we are both scum!

I know I never did an OD analysis, but I will if you still want me to. Right now I'm reluctant to blindly lynch him on the chance that he's a village power role.
 
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