DD+Outrage, CS+Outrage, or CB+Outrage on Dragonite?

chocobattler

Which of these is best for an Outraging Dragonite? Dragon Dance with Lum berry,or just Choice Scarf, or Choice Band? I know that Dragon Claw is the reccomended choice, but after a few battles, Outrage is growing on me. So, which is the best choice? Also, it'd be nice if you could explain why you said what you say.
 
I will have to say that Scarf and Outrage, potencially you can rip through teams when you see that there's no Steel Pokémon, or when the Bulky Water is weakened (around 89%).
 
Depends on the rest of your moves.

CB, I would not recommend due to Dragonite being so slow. Garchomp does this way better.
CS, could be done, but hey... Garchomp STILL does it better.

DD+Outrage is probably the way to go unless you have some other moves Garchomp can't use that you think would be more effective with a scarf or band.
 
Blame Game said:
Dragon Dance. Choice band and Scarf are done better by Garchomp, as Firestorm said.
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What if the OP prefers using Dragonite over Garchomp? You shouldn't use "well, this Poke does it better" as the sole reason when it comes to voicing your opinion on certain movesets or whatever for other people in team building imo, although it is definitely worth mentioning. You want to choose what's best for the team and the Pokemon in question. If it is, in fact, the best moveset for Dragonite regardless of whether or not other Pokes do it better than that should take prevalence.

I apologize in advance, and I do not mean to offend anyone. Just something that I think should be voiced.
 
chocobattler said:
Okey thanks. Dragon Dance sounds good, because majority wins. I'm also going with Thunderpunch, though, to help against Gyrados.
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Don't. Thunder Punch will ONLY be good for Gyarados. If it got in before you did, it probably Dragon Danced so it'll outspeed you and Stone Edge you for the KO. If it gets in for a Revenge Kill, you're likely locked into Outrage anyway. If it switches in on you, you'll KO it with two hits. If it's Taunt Gyarados, it's probably only got Waterfall and Earthquake, both of which are like nothing to Dragonite.

Thunder Punch is really too situational.
 
There's no particular set that will be best "for the Pokemon in question," though, and that's the problem. If you want to ignore other pokemon that may outclass other movesets that's fine, but then the choice between choice band, scarf and dragon dance is merely up to personal preference, and in that case, why make a thread about it?

If you don't want Dragonite to be outclassed, use Dragon Dance with Outrage. If you don't care, then it's up to your own preference.
 
Arceus said:
What if the OP prefers using Dragonite over Garchomp? You shouldn't use "well, this Poke does it better" as the sole reason when it comes to voicing your opinion on certain movesets or whatever for other people in team building imo, although it is definitely worth mentioning. You want to choose what's best for the team and the Pokemon in question. If it is, in fact, the best moveset for Dragonite regardless of whether or not other Pokes do it better than that should take prevalence.

I apologize in advance, and I do not mean to offend anyone. Just something that I think should be voiced.
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Yeah, I kinda do prefer Dragonite over Garchomp, since he's been my favorite since I fought him in RBY. Otherwhys, I probably would be using Garchomp.

Firestorm said:
Don't. Thunder Punch will ONLY be good for Gyarados. If it got in before you did, it probably Dragon Danced so it'll outspeed you and Stone Edge you for the KO. If it gets in for a Revenge Kill, you're likely locked into Outrage anyway. If it switches in on you, you'll KO it with two hits. If it's Taunt Gyarados, it's probably only got Waterfall and Earthquake, both of which are like nothing to Dragonite.

Thunder Punch is really too situational.
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All right, then I guess that rules out a Firepunch replacement, since that would have been there for Bronzong and Skarmory, but I guess Charizard works there. Would Aerial Ace, Roost, or Aqua Tail be a better choice?

Blame Game said:
There's no particular set that will be best "for the Pokemon in question," though, and that's the problem. If you want to ignore other pokemon that may outclass other movesets that's fine, but then the choice between choice band, scarf and dragon dance is merely up to personal preference, and in that case, why make a thread about it?

If you don't want Dragonite to be outclassed, use Dragon Dance with Outrage. If you don't care, then it's up to your own preference.
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No, I don't want Dragonite to be outclassed, and the question was more like, "Which of these options do you prefer?". Sorry for the confusion.
 
Fire Punch wouldn't be that bad. As unlike Gyarados, Skarmory and Bronzong resist Outrage. Therefore, Fire Punch does more than Outrage. You could give it Fire Blast or Fire Punch. One of the two is good.

Look at the Analysis sub-forum and read the Dragonite topic. You'll pick up on some good movesets and why they're good as well as alternate options. Once DD'd, I don't like having to take Dragonite out unless I have to.
 
That sounds good, thanks. I'll also go read the Analysis sub-forum, and not only for Dragonite, but for the other guys on my team aswell. Thanks.
 
Something else you might consider: Sleep Talk + Outrage Dragonite. It'd work well as a status absorber, especially with his defenses, plus if Outrage is picked by Sleep Talk, it acts as a one-turn attack (as opposed to a 2-3 turn rampage).
 
ive been running DD@lum/perism berry with EQ/roos(or fireblast).


its sort of a mid-late game thing. Once you have spikes/SR in play for a bit...and u know how the person is playing the switch game bulky waters will get OHKOd btw a 1 dd'd outrage. and for those steals u canfireblast >.>. I used to haveroost but ive found fireblast more usefull.
 
I wouldn't CB Outrage with Dragonite's speed, but CS Outrage is workable. Dragon Dance is probably my favorite though, especially in an item clause environment:

Dragonite @Yache Berry
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Earthquake
Fire Punch

Be clever getting this in and you can manage two dragon dances...if you feel you can't do that, then Life Orb is probably a better item than Yache Berry. Can work wonders in item clause environments though, and with a Yache Berry it can revenge kill anything that commonly carries an ice move and you NEED to get out of the way...which is more common than you might think.
 
Just FYI Fire Blast will typically do more damage to things like Skarmory, Metagross and Steelix than Fire Punch if you've only got one DD up, so if you're not planning on something like a @Yache Berry set I'd go FB.

btw Surgo your signature is wonderful.
 
Big Bayou said:
Just FYI Fire Blast will typically do more damage to things like Skarmory, Metagross and Steelix than Fire Punch if you've only got one DD up, so if you're not planning on something like a @Yache Berry set I'd go FB.

btw Surgo your signature is wonderful.
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After 2 DDs the Fire Punch will be stronger.
 
Yeah, I'd probably go Fire Blast if I wasn't holding a Yache berry. Even with a Yache Berry, it's a tough choice to make...setting yourself up for the second dance is very difficult.
 
That's pretty good info, I guess trying it all out in battle is my best bet for figuring it out. The good news is that it's all very do-able with a couple of Heart Scales, so thanks. So, here's how it's looking

Dragonite@Lum Berry/Yache Berry/Life Orb
200 Attk/210 Speed/100 HP
Adamant
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Firepunch/Fire blast

I know Adamant isn't the best nature if I go with Fire Blast, but she's already EV trained so I'm not inclined on changing it around too much. That's pretty much the more popular suggestions are mixed together, so I'll try out different versions of that set and see how it turns out. Again, thanks.
 
I'd go with Fire Punch then. Adamant Fire Punch is about same as Fire Blast against Skarmory after you do a DD iirc. You could try both as they're both easily attainable. I'd invest more of that HP in speed so you can outspeed Weaviles that don't carry Ice Shard. If you have a 31 IV in it, 244 should be enough I think.
 
With Outrage Dragonite, choice items just make it an inferior Garchomp. Dragonite is my favourite dragon because it can take hits, partictularly some non-STAB Ice Beams and still live to tell the tale, another reason why Dragon Dance is preferable.

Dragonite is a good Pokemon, however it has different strengths to Sala/Garchomp and should be played as such, try to keep it in and use its defenses to stand down Pokes that Sala/Chomp would need to switch out against.
 
lol, Weaville that carried Ice Shard is what destroyed my Dragonite in the Battle Tower, or at least crippled it enough to get destroyed later.Anyways with my Speed IV, I would need to Dragon Dance once, just once to get to 244, but that's if I max out Speed. If I do that, without any DDs, my Dragonite will have a 239 in Speed. I guess maxing speed won't really do much since one Dragon Dance will put me way above what I need.
 
I like Fire Vlast on Dragonite to hit stuff on thr switch and just for more overall power, but that's just a minor change from what Surgo posted.

I was going to ppost a thing on what the best moveset for a Pokemon is, but my finger is burned, so typing is hard, so maybe I will tomorrow.
 
chocobattler said:
lol, Weaville that carried Ice Shard is what destroyed my Dragonite in the Battle Tower, or at least crippled it enough to get destroyed later.Anyways with my Speed IV, I would need to Dragon Dance once, just once to get to 244, but that's if I max out Speed. If I do that, without any DDs, my Dragonite will have a 239 in Speed. I guess maxing speed won't really do much since one Dragon Dance will put me way above what I need.
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I meant 244 EVs. Jolly Weavile has 383 speed max.
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/stat/speed.shtml
 
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