Does this Salamence moveset fail?

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Salamence @ Life Orb
Hasty | 200 Sp.Att, 252 Speed, 58 Attack
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw/Earthquake
Hydro Pump/Flamethrower
Draco Meteor
 
No, most Salamence sets do not fail. This is just the upcoming mixed Salamence. Unfortunately, most sets I've see scrap Dragon Dance and just keep the Life Orb and go with Dragon Claw_Brick Break_Hydro Pump_Flamethower/Fireblast jus to hit shit super effect all over the place.

Your set is like the old advance GPMence. Try this mixed Sala

Salamence @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
Nature: Any Neutral
EVs: 30 HP / 16 At / 56 Def / 136 Spd / 216 SpA / 56 SpD
*Dragon Dance
*Dragon Claw / Aerial Ace / Brick Break
*Flamethrower / Earthquake
*Hydro Pump / Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse

Use one dragon move as the STAB. Aerial Ace has such a watered down base power though.

EVs give you 338 HP, 310 in both attacks, 210 in both defenses and 270 speed to outrun everything after a single dragon dance. I was thinking of trying this myself, but Specsmence is just so much better. But this set will not get walled.
 
RaikouLover said:
No, most Salamence sets do not fail. This is just the upcoming mixed Salamence. Unfortunately, most sets I've see scrap Dragon Dance and just keep the Life Orb and go with Dragon Claw_Brick Break_Hydro Pump_Flamethower/Fireblast jus to hit shit super effect all over the place.

Your set is like the old advance GPMence. Try this mixed Sala

Salamence @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
Nature: Any Neutral
EVs: 30 HP / 16 At / 56 Def / 136 Spd / 216 SpA / 56 SpD
*Dragon Dance
*Dragon Claw / Aerial Ace / Brick Break
*Flamethrower / Earthquake
*Hydro Pump / Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse

Use one dragon move as the STAB. Aerial Ace has such a watered down base power though.

EVs give you 338 HP, 310 in both attacks, 210 in both defenses and 270 speed to outrun everything after a single dragon dance. I was thinking of trying this myself, but Specsmence is just so much better. But this set will not get walled.
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Just a question about this... why the EVs in defenses and neutral nature? If 270 speed is enough to outrun everything after a single Dragon Dance, and you'll most likely be able do DD on the switch, why not:

Salamence @ Life Orb/Wide Lens (If you go Fire Blast over Flamethrower)
Mild (+Sp.Att, -Defense) | 252 Sp.Att, 136 Spd, 122 Attack
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Hydro Pump
Flamethrower/Fire Blast

This set gets you 270 Speed, which lets you outspeed everything after a Dragon Dance (as state above), 350 Sp. Att, which is enough to use Hydro Pump and Fire Blast unboosted, and 336 Attack, which turns into 504 after one Dragon Dance. With a STAB'd Dragon Claw, this will be enough attack to OHKO-2HKO special walls/tanks. Fire Blast will hit Skarmory for an OHKO, It will hit Levitate Bronzongs for SE, If Bronzong is heatproof, it'll hit with Hydro Pump. Unless said Bronzong is carrying HP Ice and Calm Mind, Mence has nothing to worry about. I'm pretty sure Dragon Claw unboosted will 2HKO Blissey. Hydro Pump makes short work of Hippowdon and TTar. I can't think of any other tanks that might be sent in to wall this... so if anything can wall this set, let me know...
 
I actually got those EVs from an old advanced mixed Salamence review. It's just a good, balanced spread. You can mix and match EVs whichever way you want. Like I said, most Salamence movesets will not fail, and will always kill SOMETHING.
 
It's more efficient to take a Naughty or Rash nature and boost up the Def with EVs than it is to take a neutral nature.

It's also more efficient to just boost HP instead of splitting EVs into both defences.

Anyway the one I've been seeing a few times lately is Naughty with LO, 270 Speed, about 350+ Attack and the rest in Sp Atk. Set is

Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
EQ
Hydro Pump

Becomes extremely lethal and extremely fast with very little support required - Hydro Pump hits Swampy for about 40+% depending on EVs while OHKOing Donphan and Hippo and 2HKOing Skarmory easily.

After a single DD, he does about 50% min to Swampert with Dragon Claw meaning that he can potentially sweep with very little support and very little set up.
 
I think it's a good set, you can lure Blissey first by launching a random Draco Meteor, she will expect (obviously) a SpecsMence set. Later, you can use Dragon Dance and attempt for a sweep.
 
Keep this in mind - if you use Draco Meteor and then someone runs calcs and realize you're not using Choice Specs (or they see the Life Orb damage), they'll know something funny is going on. The only use you'll get on DMeteor outside of a specs set is beating Weezing, plain and simple.
 
IMO, for a Mixed Mence:

Salamence @ Focus Sash (Starter obviouslly)
Nature: Lonely
EVs: 252 ATK / 252 Speed / 4 Sp.ATK
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast

I'll admit, it's pretty LOL (especially considering that DDThunderNite may be able to pull it off better), but it'll get the job done.

Ordinarilly, I wouldn't suggest 252 Speed, but with Random Choice Scarffers running about, it couldn't hurt.
 
I'd go with flamethrower to 2hko Skarm. Put some EVs into Sp.Atk from Speed (as you said it was not suggested) to 2hko Bronzong.
 
I'm just iffy about Fire Blast's accuracy. That was the main reason why I had suggested Flamethrower over Fire Blast.

It sucks when you miss with Fire Blast only to get Hypnosis'd.
 
Sir_Lu said:
I'm just iffy about Fire Blast's accuracy. That was the main reason why I had suggested Flamethrower over Fire Blast.

It sucks when you miss with Fire Blast only to get Hypnosis'd.
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I understand where you're coming from.
However, it would take 333 Sp.ATK (STAT) AND Fire Blast to 2HKO a Bronzong with a + Sp.DEF Nature, 252 HP EVs, and 128 Sp.DEF EVs. Nothing short of that would work.

So for now, just call me Mr. Ballz.
 
WildAce said:
I understand where you're coming from.
However, it would take 333 Sp.ATK (STAT) AND Fire Blast to 2HKO a Bronzong with a + Sp.DEF Nature, 252 HP EVs, and 128 Sp.DEF EVs. Nothing short of that would work.

So for now, just call me Mr. Ballz.
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Salamence @ Life Orb/Wide Lens (If you go Fire Blast over Flamethrower)
Mild (+Sp.Att, -Defense) | 252 Sp.Att, 136 Spd, 122 Attack
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Hydro Pump
Flamethrower/Fire Blast


But with this set, would Mence be able to 2HKO with Flamethrower?

350 Sp.Att with a perfect Sp.Att IV, IIRC.
 
I thought of this set that might fail badly. i want to try it though.

Salamence @ Choice scarf
Hasty
252 special attack 164 speed 94 attack
Draco Meteor
Fire Blast
Earthquake
Dragon Claw

Meant as a revenge killer and the EVs are meant to beat scarfchomp. Probably bad, but is could it ever work?
 
Weirdness really. If you get a DD or two, its really hard to want to switch out, but if you Draco Meteor, you've just killed any real ability to hit stuff effectively with Special Attacks. Draco Meteor might be interesting as a surprise attack, but it'll kill your long term sweep.

Also, Cresselia walls you fairly well and almost every Cress I've seen has Ice Beam. The only real thing I see here is just using Salamences unpredictibility, since you could bate some wall in with a DD or Draco Meteor and surprise them. But if you guess wrong you're totally screwed.

I still think Salamence is better left as a one trick pony, either abusing CS+DMeteor, or DD+DClaw. Could be a lot worse though. If the other team guesses wrong on an early Draco Meteor you could get an easy sweep.
 
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