Simple Questions & Simple Answers & General Resources (OU Edition) MK II

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Tiers are based on uses, but only the main 3; OU, UU, and RU. NU is listed as pokemon that just don't have enough use to be used at all.

Now, within these tiers there are banlists; BL, BL2, and of course Uber. These lists do not take into account usage, but only what is deemed too powerful to reside in the tier below it. However, because there are so many pokemon in ubers, it has become a metagame all of its own. In the first couple generations, for example, there were only a few pokemon in ubers, which were not enough for an entire metagame. So that's why pokemon that see high usage, such as scizor, aren't sent to ubers; they're just not broken as deemed by the community.
 
ubers is a banlist tier, which pretty much means Pokemon can't go up to it based on usage. pokemon get into ubers through getting banned in suspect tests.

EDIT: ninja'd D:
 
Then my other question would be why aren't Pokemon like Scizor, Politoed and Ferrothorn sent into a suspect test like Deo-D recently was and if they were when was the last time it happened and is it being planned again?

Also, why aren't Blaziken (without Speed Boost) and Excadrill re-suspected to be sent to OU? What makes them so special to be the only non- Legendary Pokemon to be in ubers?

For Blaziken especially, why can't he be sent down like Garchomp was (as in Garchomp without Sand Veil).
 
Secret Dragoon said:
Then my other question would be why aren't Pokemon like Scizor, Politoed and Ferrothorn sent into a suspect test like Deo-D recently was and if they were when was the last time it happened and is it being planned again?

Also, why aren't Blaziken (without Speed Boost) and Excadrill re-suspected to be sent to OU? What makes them so special to be the only non- Legendary Pokemon to be in ubers?

For Blaziken especially, why can't he be sent down like Garchomp was (as in Garchomp without Sand Veil).
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None of the pokemon you listed are considered broken, it's true that they have high usage but that's no reason to ban something. The reason Garchomp was sent down, and Sand Veil was banned, is because the ability Sand Veil, regardless of what Pokemon has the ability, was considered broken. Whereas, Speed Boost isn't considered broken, only Blaziken is broken with that ability. We could unban Blaziken, but only allow Blaze, but we try to avoid unnecessary complex bans.
 
Does specially defensive celebi beat cm keldeo with lefties when it switches in?
Celebi switches in
Keldeo uses cm
Keldeo uses cm again
Celebi uses giga drain dealing 27.86 - 33.43%
lefties heals 6.25%
Keldeo uses cm
Celebi uses giga drain dealing 22.29 - 26.62%
lefties heals 6.25%
Keldeo uses hp ice/ghost at +3 and does 68.81 - 81.18%
Celebi uses giga drain dealing 22.29 - 26.62%
lefties heals 6.25%
Keldeo kos celebi
lefties heals 6.25%
Celebi has only done 47.44-61.67% of damage
So does that mean celebi can't counter keldeo w/out perish song?
 
Specially defensive Celebi is an excellent check to Keldeo (also, you can use Psychic for a little extra oomph), but isn't a true counter to CM Keldeo. Unless you run Seed Bomb, but that's just weird.

Latias generally makes a better check to Keldeo because it only fears Icy Wind (which lowers its Speed) and super effective Hidden Power. It also has Psyshock to bypass Keldeo's Calm Mind boosts.
 
Arcticblast said:
Specially defensive Celebi is an excellent check to Keldeo (also, you can use Psychic for a little extra oomph), but isn't a true counter to CM Keldeo. Unless you run Seed Bomb, but that's just weird.

Latias generally makes a better check to Keldeo because it only fears Icy Wind (which lowers its Speed) and super effective Hidden Power. It also has Psyshock to bypass Keldeo's Calm Mind boosts.
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Yeah, for some reason, I've always thought that specially defensive celebi could hard counter keldeo. I did have psychic, but I still lost 1v1. I guess I'll have to use amoongus then.
 
Would it be a good idea to use 0 HP IVs on SubSplit Gengar? It should make pain split more effective, and Gengar isn't meant to take hits anyways, I believe.
 
Salamence97 said:
Would it be a good idea to use 0 HP IVs on SubSplit Gengar? It should make pain split more effective, and Gengar isn't meant to take hits anyways, I believe.
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I'm not sure about this one. The loss of about 31 HP shouldn't really make that much of a difference, as Pain Split won't do that much extra damage to be really significant. You can try it if you like, but in my opinion, sacrificing a tiny bit of bulk to do a tiny bit of extra damage on a semi-reliable recovery move doesn't seem all that much worth it.
 
Arcticblast said:
Specially defensive Celebi is an excellent check to Keldeo (also, you can use Psychic for a little extra oomph), but isn't a true counter to CM Keldeo. Unless you run Seed Bomb, but that's just weird.

Latias generally makes a better check to Keldeo because it only fears Icy Wind (which lowers its Speed) and super effective Hidden Power. It also has Psyshock to bypass Keldeo's Calm Mind boosts.
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Keep in mind that Keldeo is often paired with Tyranitar, which can easily remove Latias with Pursuit. Whilst Celebi is also very vulnerable, it at least has Baton Pass to avoid being trapped. I still agree that Latias is the superior check, but it is less reliable than Celebi. However, in the specific scenario that was brought up (vs. CM Keldeo), Latias does indeed do a better job. I personally use a bulkier set with Psyshock/Thunder Wave/Reflect/Recover, which can support the team and isn't so deathly afraid of Tyranitar. I also like using Scarf Latias to check Keldeo because the LO tank set can be outsped and 2HKOd by Hydro Pump in rain by Scarf Keldeo after taking a little residual damage.
 
Hello, I'm new to competitive pokemon and have been having some trouble finalizing the team I want to use and would like some suggestions. I looked around and didn't see anywhere else to ask this question as the rules for Rate Team said to only post complete teams which I still need help deciding on the final two to complement the rest and what moves/items need changing because I am fairly certain there is a lot I am doing wrong.

My current team is as follows.

Skarmory w/Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 224 HP / 252 Def / 32 SpD
Nature: Impish

-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Roost
-Stealth Rock

Jolteon w/ Choice Spec
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid

-Thunder Bolt
-Volt Switch
-Hidden Power Ice
-Signal Beam

Milotic w/ ????
Ability: Marvel Scale
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpD / 8 Spe
Nature: Calm

-Scald
-Dragon Tail
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

Absol w/Life Orb
Ability: Super Luck
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Nature: Adamant

-Night Slash
-Sucker Punch
-Swords Dance
-Protect

Those are four of my favorite pokemon which I definitely want to use, though I have noticed that Absol is definitely the weakest link of the four and if there is just no way to make him work I guess I would drop him, but so long as he is viable although subbar I would like the keep him; I'm just mostly not 100% sure on the moves/items of those four as well as my biggest problem being I am having trouble thinking of what other two pokemon to use to round out and compliment them. Again if this is the wrong place to ask such a question I am sorry and will post it elsewhere.
 
Kitsunemimi said:
Hello, I'm new to competitive pokemon and have been having some trouble finalizing the team I want to use and would like some suggestions. I looked around and didn't see anywhere else to ask this question as the rules for Rate Team said to only post complete teams which I still need help deciding on the final two to complement the rest and what moves/items need changing because I am fairly certain there is a lot I am doing wrong.

My current team is as follows.

Skarmory w/Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 224 HP / 252 Def / 32 SpD
Nature: Impish

-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Roost
-Stealth Rock

Jolteon w/ Choice Spec
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid

-Thunder Bolt
-Volt Switch
-Hidden Power Ice
-Signal Beam

Milotic w/ ????
Ability: Marvel Scale
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpD / 8 Spe
Nature: Calm

-Scald
-Dragon Tail
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

Absol w/Life Orb
Ability: Super Luck
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Nature: Adamant

-Night Slash
-Sucker Punch
-Swords Dance
-Protect

Those are four of my favorite pokemon which I definitely want to use, though I have noticed that Absol is definitely the weakest link of the four and if there is just no way to make him work I guess I would drop him, but so long as he is viable although subbar I would like the keep him; I'm just mostly not 100% sure on the moves/items of those four as well as my biggest problem being I am having trouble thinking of what other two pokemon to use to round out and compliment them. Again if this is the wrong place to ask such a question I am sorry and will post it elsewhere.
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Absol is just too slow without proper boosts to speed. The fact that you chose to make him Adamant nature over Jolly means that he would do alot of damage, but only to slower foes. You dont have to drop him, but you should make him Jolly nature and give him Choice Scarf maybe.
 
BryceJ12398 said:
When would Huntail and Gorebyss be considered OU?
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Hmm...They are NU. I don't think that they are going to be OU for a long time. Their main set is Smash / Smash Pass and they have a very shallow movepool, can't sweep alone unless the opponent's team is completely weakened and smash passing is usually considered a noob strategy.
 
Celebi can't beat Keldeo, HP Bug from EB.

Keldeo's true counters imo are Amo and Tenta, as Tenta can usually Protect heal if it has HP Psychic, and Amo has that Regen and Clear Smog.
 
Jellicent has a bit of a niche as a spinblocker on defensive teams, but can give a nice set of resistances as a pivot for a balanced team. Overall it would be found much more on defensive teams than offensive ones, but it depends mostly on what resistances the team needs.
 
Shurtugal said:
Celebi can't beat Keldeo, HP Bug from EB.

Keldeo's true counters imo are Amo and Tenta, as Tenta can usually Protect heal if it has HP Psychic, and Amo has that Regen and Clear Smog.
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tentacruel can't do shit against the subcm set though, so it's not really a hard counter, but otherwise it does well. i'd still say celebi is one of the better answers since hp bug is so rarely used anyway. the only really solid checks to keldeo are amoonguss and slowking, since even jellicent loses to the cm + hp ghost sets because it can't do much to fight back. starmie and latias are among the best offensive checks, but they aren't quite so adept at taking rain boosted hydro pumps.
 
Help with Wobbuffet and Cloyster Team

Hello there! I am pretty new to the competitive scene, and I am here to ask for help constructing my first team.

I saw this video by Tonyflygon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWRy1z3DRng ~30 seconds) and loved the idea of the team because I am a huge Wobbu and Cloyster fan. Unfortunately that was ubers, and I don't really want to learn a new tier. So I thought I would make an OU version of the team.


Cloyster @ Life Orb
Naive 252 Atk/4 SpA/ 252 Spe
Shell Smash
Icicle Spear
Rock Blast
Hydro Pump

Wobbuffet @ Leftovers (Maybe?)
Bold 28 HP /232 Def /248 SpD
Encore
Mirror Coat
Counter
Safeguard

The idea is that Wobbu helps Cloyster get off Shell Smash and then Cloyster proceeds to sweep. Now around that I was thinking (from the video) rain stall and entry hazards. Would that work? And is there something better? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
I personally use Cloyster a lot and can very well assure you using Razor Shell over Hydro Pump is a better choice. You really won't be using your Water STAB much anyways. Drop the 4 sp atk EVs into health and switch your naive nature to adamant. You won't be outspeeding much with jolly first turn anyways.

Other than that, rain isn't really needed for Cloyster to be effective, because once again you don't need rain. Best partner would be magnezone because it removes Scizor which is the set's biggest counter. Other than that it's just team building, use common attacking threats you would in conjuction with a physical sweeper normally such as Terrakion or Scizor. Jirachi is also a good teammate as it resists the BP's from Scizor and can take care of Fighting types easily.
 
Homeslice said:
Other than that it's just team building, use common attacking threats you would in conjuction with a physical sweeper normally such as Terrakion or Scizor. Jirachi is also a good teammate as it resists the BP's from Scizor and can take care of Fighting types easily.
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Could you explain what you mean common attacking threats and why I would use them in this set? T
 
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