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Can we move away from trying to determine where Hawkeye's strength lies in the OP world? A lot of this is just looking like dumb crap to me. Lower than Doflamingo, strongest character introduced, comparison to Shanks, blah blah blah. Who cares if Whitebeard shrugged a shockwave off, he laughed in Kizaru's damn face too. Ben Beckman held up Kizaru and he only HAD A GUN WHAT A BITCH.

We barely have enough information to "rank" anyone besides old era characters like Roger/Whitebeard and the Yonkou.

Also I know about the Shiryu theory and while it would be cool for Zoro to cut diamond I'd really like for a Mihawk showdown to happen during the final war arc. Unless Shiryu in Diamond form goes after Mihawk for the number one spot nothing in the theory would contradict it (plus I still want my Shiryu of the "rain" theory to come true).
 
Vader said:
I don't think the new guy is a shichi or admiral, since people recognize shichibukai and admirals whenever they appear, usually immediately, because you have to be infamous to be a shichibukai, and admirals are the wg's strongest military force and therefore pretty high profile
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Actually there have been many instances where famous people weren't know by the people in front of them. Nobody in the SH crew knew who Kuzan was until Robin told them, Ace wasn't recognized by anyone until he showed his DV and the mark on his back, and i am sure there are much more examples. Point is that because people don't recognize someone, this is not a reason that this someone is not a well known person.

Something else that makes me think that the blind guy isn't the new Admiral is his clothing. He is wearing a cape, while every other admiral we have seen 'till now wore his usual clothes. I guess he could be undercover, but wouldn't he cover his face too then? Finally, from the perspective that we see him, he doesn't seem tall enough for an admiral.
 
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Looks like they are actually returning Caesar-- either they're dumb-asses, or Law has a bigger scheme.

WHY do they have to return Caeser?

WHY do they have to make a real confrontation with Doflamingo?

There are countless ways they could get Caeser back to Doflamingo without giving Dofla the chance to run into any of them or find any of them.
 
New World Order said:
Naw, Zoro's last opponent is going to be Shiliew with Jozu's fruit (BB's crew is going around taking powerful fruits after all). Daz Bone's said something along the lines of "what will you cut next? diamond?" Mihawk doesn't seem like the type of character who'd join the WG just for protection, he's more likely another Kuma, one of the "good guys" who have joined with unknown intentions to the audience. Zoro doesn't need to beat Mihawk 1v1 to be considered the world's #1 swordsman, if he can cut diamond, he's #1.
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I meant endgame as in his ultimate goal for the series and the point when he'd be fully developed, not literally his last opponent. That might happen after he beats Mihawk I guess, but there's no way they're not gonna fight when Zoro has literally said that he's the man he's devoted his life to beating, and there's no way Oda's letting him get the title half way through the New World, as he still needs a motive to get stronger and beat opponents.

As for the part about why he joined, my personal theory is that he was originally like Zoro, striving to become the greatest and training every day to be a strong as he can. Then he got his wish, and got really bored because the only people he could legitimately get a challenge from anymore were the Yonkou (and there are multiple reasons why weakening the foundation of a world power for fun is a bad idea). So he became a Shichibukai in hopes that he'd find more of a challenge that way.

Chou Toshio said:
Changing subject:

Looks like they are actually returning Caesar-- either they're dumb-asses, or Law has a bigger scheme.

WHY do they have to return Caeser?

WHY do they have to make a real confrontation with Doflamingo?

There are countless ways they could get Caeser back to Doflamingo without giving Dofla the chance to run into any of them or find any of them.
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He brings Caesar to Green Pit, Doflamingo goes to Green Pit, Fujitora goes to Green Pit, Fujitora beats Doflamingo, Fujitora arrests them both.
 
I don't think it'll be that easy for Fujitora to beat Doflamingo, not saying that he can't it's just that Aokiji was essentially equal to Akainu, and this is an officer thats below him presumably a vice admiral that was ranked up in the time skip, if Doflamingo could escape from Aokiji I don't see how he couldnt escape from Fujitora on a home field advantage.

From the way Law was talking I believe that he fully intends Doflamingo to intercept them which is why he brought along the weakest of the strawhats with him (He's seen nothing notable on Robins part but Nami can control weather and he's seen monster point chopper). Fundamentally returning Caesar is no big deal as the strawhats are going to destroy the factory anyway Law seems to be acting as a decoy knowing that Doflamingo won't kill them even if they're intercepted. It would explain why he gave the vivre card to Nami.

On another note, all vivre cards look the same, I know Nami is dependable but maybe she'll accidentally switch the one she got from Lola and the one she got from Law and encounter Big mom on her own, two Yonkou at once should be great, might even get to see a Yonkou on Yonkou depending on how reasonable she is
 
DrRobotnik said:
He brings Caesar to Green Pit, Doflamingo goes to Green Pit, Fujitora goes to Green Pit, Fujitora beats Doflamingo, Fujitora arrests them both.
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Better plan:
He tells Dofla he has left Caeser at Green bit (AFTER he's already done it)
(Completely avoid meeting Dofla)
Dofla goes to green bit
Dofla finds Fujitora there and gets his ass kicked
Fujitora arrests them both

Even better plan:
He TELLS Dofla he's taking caeser to Green bit,
He DOESN'T go to Green bit
Dofla DOES go to Green bit
Dofla finds Fujitora there and gets his ass kicked
Fujitora arrests him

IF he still wants the marines to have Caeser,
take him too the marines himself-- I mean, he's a Shichibukai. He can go to the Marine home base anytime he wants...



As I said, either Law is a dumb ass for not using one of the above plans (or any even better, more sophisticated plan you could easily come up with), or there's some specific reason in his plot that he has to take the risk of meeting with Dofla personally.
 
Either that or he wants Caesar to himself and doesn't think the Strawhats left on the ship could protect him, so he has to take him along.
 
Or Law doesn't plan on taking them to Green bit but hasn't said it to the SHs because he doesn't trust them or he believes that if Luffy knows the real plan then the info may be leaked or whatever.

I am sure Oda has a good reason so i don't really worry about it...
 
WELP. I've gone and done it. I've started reading this for the first time from page 1. Currently 54 chapters in, with 640 left to go. uguuuu~~~~~~~ So much time being killed right now.
 
Satisfaction said:
I don't think it'll be that easy for Fujitora to beat Doflamingo, not saying that he can't it's just that Aokiji was essentially equal to Akainu, and this is an officer thats below him presumably a vice admiral that was ranked up in the time skip, if Doflamingo could escape from Aokiji I don't see how he couldnt escape from Fujitora on a home field advantage.
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This is one of the many reasons why i hate DD. How hyped he is. Now before i start my rant i want to say that what i have quoted isn't that crazy and actually pretty fair. First, DD did not escape from Aokiji. He just walked away calmly. While he did it in a very cool manner you must look at it a little more deeply than that. DD in fact ran away like a little girl. Tail between his legs and all. While some will call him smart for walking away i call it cowardice. It's a big deal. And again Oda hinting that DD is nowhere near the Admirals level. Before when the DD hype was at its strongest i always used the scene where he was introduced as some evidence of him being way weaker than Mihawk/Admirals. In that scene he was toying with VAs and made it seem like hes such a "badass". But as soon as he angered Sengoku he turned into a good little boy. You may be thinking "Sengoku is the Fleet Admiral! DD HAS to listen to him because of rank not power!". Nope. DD is a Shichi. Which don't take orders from Marines. And also DD has been shown to talk way worse to someone with an even higher rank than Sengoku. So DD would not have listened to Sengoku if he didn't know he was about to get his ass kicked. And this by an old man. Not even one of the beasts that are the current Admirals. When he walked away from Aokiji it showed how far he is in strengh compared to the Admirals. He obviously didnt want to renounce as Shichi, it pissed him off to the core having to do it. And would have done ANYTHING to remain one. Except fight an Admiral. Or former Admiral. Even though it was that important to him he easily and pretty quickly turned away. He knows he is completely outclassed. He is no match against the Admirals. Men who may i remind all you can fight Yonkous. Another huge hint that he is nowhere near Admiral level is where the story currently is. We may all have varying theories of how its going to happen but we all know DD is about to get his ass kicked by Luffy(funny thing about that i predicted DD would be the opponent at this exact time in the story a couple chapters into the time skip). Sure he may defeat Luffy once or twice but in the end lose all the same. And yes i do believe Luffy is still no match against the Admirals. Although now he can actually be in the same battlefield as them.

Though we don't know if the new Admiral is as strong as Akainu or Aokiji. So he may in fact have trouble with DD. I doubt it though. Akainu sent the new guy without a second thought. And he knows a whole lot of strong pirates will be there. Clearly hinting this new guy is still superior to anyone there.

And i'm sure Akainu would consider it a vacation as even if Law, DD and Luffy made some sort of alliance they would still fall to the greatest Admiral there is or will ever be.
 
TheValkyries said:
WELP. I've gone and done it. I've started reading this for the first time from page 1. Currently 54 chapters in, with 640 left to go. uguuuu~~~~~~~ So much time being killed right now.
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How're you liking it so far? Chapter 54 is getting pretty close to Arlong Park arc which is probably the best pre-grand line arc so you can look forward to that. Some people say that the arc after Arlong Park is kinda boring by One Piece standards (I thought it was good though) but after that arc it skyrockets in quality.

Not to say that the early arcs are bad, but the later arcs - Enies Lobby, Impel Down, Marineford etc. (come at me Chou:naughty:) are that good.

Stick with it, you won't regret it.
 
panamaxis said:
How're you liking it so far? Chapter 54 is getting pretty close to Arlong Park arc which is probably the best pre-grand line arc so you can look forward to that. Some people say that the arc after Arlong Park is kinda boring by One Piece standards (I thought it was good though) but after that arc it skyrockets in quality.

Not to say that the early arcs are bad, but the later arcs - Enies Lobby, Impel Down, Marineford etc. (come at me Chou:naughty:) are that good.

Stick with it, you won't regret it.
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I enjoy it as much as I did the anime when I watched that (Which is to say quite a lot). I got all the way up to the introduction of Robin as a villain in the anime sooo still catching up to where I left off with that.

I'm a sucker for the cheesy willpower shenanigannery so while entirely recycled each time, the arcs are enjoyable.

So far best moment was Luffy punching the spiked cape of Don Krieg. Good shit. Worth noting that Mihawk is a badass dude as well.
 
Oops, by 'arc after Arlong Park' i meant Skypiea which is basically the arc after Robin is introduced.
 
How i hate Skipiea. Enel has the worst fans. Waaay too long. And that length isn't justified with a good Enel beating either. He just gets away with a punch. Wtf?? Though it makes sense as he wasn't that bad of a guy compared to other villains. Just really oblivious. Oddly, i loved the flashback in that arc. Rivals Robins flashback and comes close to Brooks'. And yes i shed some manly tears reading it. I didn't break down like i did with Brooks though.
 
I liked Skypeia as a whole, although I would say it's one of the weaker ones. But it was definitely worth it for this:

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panamaxis said:
Oops, by 'arc after Arlong Park' i meant Skypiea which is basically the arc after Robin is introduced.
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Alabasta>Skypiea IMO, Croc was one of those villains that made you go HOLY CRAP! This is one scary dude! I certainly wouldn't want this guy in my world. Enel on the other hand is the high school jock with a wannabe entourage, except with a lightining fruit.
 
What are everyone's favorite arcs? My top 5 in order would probably be

Enies Lobby
Alabasta
Impel Down
Arlong Park
Drum Island
 
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