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Zetto having such a similar voice to Jiraiya does mess with me though (they have the same voice actor).

edit:

Oh, before I go, one more HUGE spoiler:

The key for Zephyr leaving the Marines was-- originally, he had lost his arm in battle with a certain pirate, and the majority of his closest subordinates/students were slaughtered.

Zephyr got his new weapon arm and kept fighting for the marines... until that pirate that had slaughtered his students and taken his arm was made into a Shichibukai.

It's such an old story-- but do you think there's still a chance that the pirate in question might have still been a shichibukai at the beginning of the story?

Jinbe, Boa Hancock, Moria, Croc, Flamingo, Kuma, Mihawk... could it have been one of these?

Who crushed a Marine Admiral and his whole squad and eventually became a shichibukai...

Seems pretty unlikely. Flamingo seems the most likely if any in terms of power/personality, while Mihawk seems like the only one with the power to do it. None of them seem old enough...

Chou my nigga...That's what I was mentioning many pages pages (referring to your spoiler tag).

Basically, from what I read (and this was second hand reading so please correct since you have the first hand experience), but the pirate who ripped off Z's arm was made a Shichibukai DURING the timeskip (meaning that 7th shichibukai that wasnt revealed during a recent chapter is THAT guy).

So it doesn't have to be any of the currently known ones...it's that mysterious one! My guess is it's an escaped level 6 prisoner from the impel down break out.
 
Oh man, not the legendary Strawhat power rankings... I don't want to be the instigator but there shouldn't be a Monster Quatro(?) as the difference between Sanjee and Franky is too big(imo). Also even when Jinbei joins he shouldn't be as strong as Sanjee...

But again, thats all my opinion. And yes Franky is still my favorite Strawhat. Hes just too limited right now.
You mentioned Jinbe, you should already know that other members are going to be closer to the Monster Trio and after seeing some powers of the New World I don't think theres any problem with that. Usopp said before (pre-timeskip) that he considered himself/Nami/Chopper the weak trio, there are going to be multiple "groupings" of power among the SHs and by the end it wouldn't be at all surprising if the secondary group (Jinbe/Franky/Robin maybe) weren't far from the Monster Trio.

Logically speaking shouldn't it be allright if Frankys toy Franky Shogun were stronger than the monster Trio right now? Unless he gets another upgrade I don't see how he's supposed to get stronger and it makes little sense for the ultimate weapon to be weaker than normal Franky which is possible as Franky unlike the monsters doesn't have CoA (Luffy didn't mention any member except zoro and sanji they probably talked about things offscreen or luffy can tell through some manifestation of CoC he could tell fujitora was strong afterall in any case Franky won't have it) so he can improve that way on the other hand machines can't have haki as Rayleigh said all "living" things have the potential for haki. Which brings brook into question.

Luffy didn't really improve much in the two years besides learning haki yet with just that he can fodderize a pacifista that nearly solo'd his crew before. If Franky shogun is meant to be so much stronger than Franky that even when Franky gets a boost like that it'll be superior that should certainly make Shogun stronger than any individual strawhat atm
A year and a half of training with one of the strongest men in the world and then another half year of independent training sounds like a pretty big boost in power to me.

I hope that each member of the crew gains haki of some form by the end, Usopp with Armament or Nami with Observation would be awesome and Robin not having it after training with the revos would be lame as fuck. Zoro should have Conqueror's since Rayleigh does and since Sanji is supposed to be around equal I expect him to have it too, I would honestly have a problem seeing them as the Monster Trio without Haoshoku.

logically speaking
A+

Fuck you guys and your spoilers I am way too tempted to click.
 
Chou my nigga...That's what I was mentioning many pages pages (referring to your spoiler tag).

Basically, from what I read (and this was second hand reading so please correct since you have the first hand experience), but the pirate who ripped off Z's arm was made a Shichibukai DURING the timeskip (meaning that 7th shichibukai that wasnt revealed during a recent chapter is THAT guy).

So it doesn't have to be any of the currently known ones...it's that mysterious one! My guess is it's an escaped level 6 prisoner from the impel down break out.
I don't think so Aldy--

The movie says that even after losing his arm and his students, Zephyr still stayed on with the Kaigun (marines).

Garp: "Even [after losing his students and arm], that man stayed with the marines. He probably still hadn't lost faith in us marines. However, Zephyr reached the last straw that would make him stand and leave the marines. The pirate of that time that slaughtered all his students was welcomed as "war power" by the Government as a Shichibukai. Zephyr erased his presence from the marines, and only now has reappeared in this 'New World.'"

So basically, Zephyr didn't leave until [that pirate] joined the Shichibukai-- which means [that pirate] had to have become a Shichibukai a considerably long time ago.

If [that pirate] had become a Shichibukai during the time-skip, then Zephyr would have been an admiral pre-time skip. Instead we're given the impression Zephyr left the marines a long time ago.

Especially since we only get Zephyr's past second-hand from Garp's reminiscing-- prompted by Toby asking who Zephyr is. If Zephyr had remained until the time skip, even as a non-admiral, certainly he would have still been a famous teacher/superior in the Marines that Toby would need no introduction to.

Conclusion: whoever [that pirate] was, he had to have been made a Shichibukai a long time ago.

edit: Oh, it also said [that pirate] was an ability user, so scratch off Mihawk, Jinbe, and even Black Beard I guess-- (since BB wouldn't have had the Yami Yami at the time Zephyr lost his arm/students)
 
sanji having CoC would be lame, the top 3 members all having it would diminish it's rarity/value. Nothing in Sanji's character really indicates that he's likely to have CoC either, Zoro at least has the intimidation factor down pretty well (even though I reckon Zoro having CoC too would be lame, but at least it would fit with his character).

Franky is definitely the 4th strongest SH without a doubt but I still think there is a significant gap between himself and the monster trio and I reckon it'll probably stay like that throughout the story. Having both CoA and CoO is a HUGE advantage for Sanji and really shouldn't be underestimated.

I think Jinbe and Franky will probably be in their own tier once Jinbe joins so something like

Luffy/Zoro/Sanji
gap
Jinbe/Franky
gap
Robin/Brook
gap
Chopper/Usopp/Nami
 
I don't think so Aldy--

The movie says that even after losing his arm and his students, Zephyr still stayed on with the Kaigun (marines).

Garp: "Even [after losing his students and arm], that man stayed with the marines. He probably still hadn't lost faith in us marines. However, Zephyr reached the last straw that would make him stand and leave the marines. The pirate of that time that slaughtered all his students was welcomed as "war power" by the Government as a Shichibukai. Zephyr erased his presence from the marines, and only now has reappeared in this 'New World.'"

So basically, Zephyr didn't leave until [that pirate] joined the Shichibukai-- which means [that pirate] had to have become a Shichibukai a considerably long time ago.

If [that pirate] had become a Shichibukai during the time-skip, then Zephyr would have been an admiral pre-time skip. Instead we're given the impression Zephyr left the marines a long time ago.

Especially since we only get Zephyr's past second-hand from Garp's reminiscing-- prompted by Toby asking who Zephyr is. If Zephyr had remained until the time skip, even as a non-admiral, certainly he would have still been a famous teacher/superior in the Marines that Toby would need no introduction to.

Conclusion: whoever [that pirate] was, he had to have been made a Shichibukai a long time ago.

edit: Oh, it also said [that pirate] was an ability user, so scratch off Mihawk, Jinbe, and even Black Beard I guess-- (since BB wouldn't have had the Yami Yami at the time Zephyr lost his arm/students)
What I got out of it was that Zephyr had his arm ripped off a very long time ago. However, it was only shortly after the Impel Down escape that he was made a Shichibukai, and Zephyr took off. Luffy is considered to have "resurfaced" after two years, and keep in mind that what is two weeks for us is actually two years in the one Piece world. Even if Z only concealed his existence for a year and a half, that's a considerable amount of time.

As for Coby, I think that Zephyr probably did his training in the New World, which I'd assume includes a ton of people Coby wouldn't know.
 
You mentioned Jinbe, you should already know that other members are going to be closer to the Monster Trio and after seeing some powers of the New World I don't think theres any problem with that. Usopp said before (pre-timeskip) that he considered himself/Nami/Chopper the weak trio, there are going to be multiple "groupings" of power among the SHs and by the end it wouldn't be at all surprising if the secondary group (Jinbe/Franky/Robin maybe) weren't far from the Monster Trio.
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I'll talk about Robin below. That's why Jinbei is perfect for the Strawhats. He is too damn strong right now(probably as strong as Luffy) so he can't join because of that. However, when he does join he will have a nice little place between Sanji and Franky. As i said before that gap is too damn big right now. Also, i don't think the second group will ever be close to the Monster Trio. Only Jinbei i would consider close at that point. Franky and the other member(whoever it is) can't really compare.

I see it more as:

Monster Trio(Sanji/Luffy\Zoro
Badass Duo(Jinbei and Franky)
The Whatever Duo(Brook and Choppa)
Weakling Trio(Robin/Ussop/Namii)



sanji having CoC would be lame, the top 3 members all having it would diminish it's rarity/value. Nothing in Sanji's character really indicates that he's likely to have CoC either, Zoro at least has the intimidation factor down pretty well (even though I reckon Zoro having CoC too would be lame, but at least it would fit with his character).

Franky is definitely the 4th strongest SH without a doubt but I still think there is a significant gap between himself and the monster trio and I reckon it'll probably stay like that throughout the story. Having both CoA and CoO is a HUGE advantage for Sanji and really shouldn't be underestimated.

I think Jinbe and Franky will probably be in their own tier once Jinbe joins so something like

Luffy/Zoro/Sanji
gap
Jinbe/Franky
gap
Robin/Brook
gap
Chopper/Usopp/Nami

I agree with most of this(as my rankings above show). Except the whole Robin and Choppa thing. Choppa really isn't weak at all. Its more that hes just a child. In reality i'd say he is stronger than even Brook. He gets an image of weakness because of his bounty and always being scared. But lets remember he can control his monster point now. A form so powerful it fodderized a rather strong CP9 agent. Robin on the other hand lacks any noteworthy offense or endurance to be honest. And i'd say she is the second weakest Strawhat after Nami.

So the Weakling Trio woukd be:

Ussop
Robin
Nami

In that order. Ussop has INCREDIBLE endurance. For his level in the Strawhat power rankings, he has pound for pound the most endurance in the crew. Now, Ussop has always been one of my least favorite Strawhats so i'm not being biased. Nami and Robin lack endurance. Nami though has attacks stronger than Robin but she i think lacks any physical ability at all(comoared to the Strawhats of course, shes still a super human). Even less so than Robin.

Oh and yea i'm aware of Ussop always being the weakest. I just think he has improved alot.
 
sanji having CoC would be lame, the top 3 members all having it would diminish it's rarity/value. Nothing in Sanji's character really indicates that he's likely to have CoC either, Zoro at least has the intimidation factor down pretty well (even though I reckon Zoro having CoC too would be lame, but at least it would fit with his character).

Franky is definitely the 4th strongest SH without a doubt but I still think there is a significant gap between himself and the monster trio and I reckon it'll probably stay like that throughout the story. Having both CoA and CoO is a HUGE advantage for Sanji and really shouldn't be underestimated.

I think Jinbe and Franky will probably be in their own tier once Jinbe joins so something like

Luffy/Zoro/Sanji
gap
Jinbe/Franky
gap
Robin/Brook
gap
Chopper/Usopp/Nami
For the Pirate King's crew I think Monster Trio all having CoC would be fine lol, if Scopper, Roger's Left, is ever shown hopefully he can give us something about that. If he doesn't have it I'll totally agree Sanji shouldn't.

I would switch Chopper and Brook here, I haven't seen anything to make me that think Brook was a better fighter than Chopper, even if you didn't include Monster Point.

In that order. Ussop has INCREDIBLE endurance. For his level in the Strawhat power rankings, he has pound for pound the most endurance in the crew. Now, Ussop has always been one of my least favorite Strawhats so i'm not being biased. Nami and Robin lack endurance. Nami though has attacks stronger than Robin but she i think lacks any physical ability at all(comoared to the Strawhats of course, shes still a super human). Even less so than Robin.

Oh and yea i'm aware of Ussop always being the weakest. I just think he has improved alot.
Usopp being weakest was a pre-timeskip thing, I think he's shown more growth than Nami has so far.

Robin hasn't really shown too much yet so I'd be hesitant to say she was below Usopp. She spent 2 years with the damn revolutionaries, it would be disappointing if she turned out so badly.
 
Robin having CoA alone would imo make her one of the most dangerous in the crew, unfortunately she doesn't, she may have CoO though as Luffy wasn't specific about which crew members had haki only which ones could hit Caesar
 
oda is certainly setting franky up to be a legitimate threat (at least thats the vibe ive got ever since the time skip). in recent chapters too he's coming off a lot more alpha by taking control of situations and going back to his old roots in waters 7 by interrogating kids in this arc.

he also held his ground against two of doflamingo's reliable fighters. i pretty much agree with pana's tier list. the monster trio will likely be static, while oda increases franky's potential to jinbei's level when he does join the team. its kinda strange to have jinbei float between monster trio and franky, so it would only make sense to have franky catch up on jinbei's level.
 
What I got out of it was that Zephyr had his arm ripped off a very long time ago. However, it was only shortly after the Impel Down escape that he was made a Shichibukai, and Zephyr took off. Luffy is considered to have "resurfaced" after two years, and keep in mind that what is two weeks for us is actually two years in the one Piece world. Even if Z only concealed his existence for a year and a half, that's a considerable amount of time.

As for Coby, I think that Zephyr probably did his training in the New World, which I'd assume includes a ton of people Coby wouldn't know.

No, that's not possible. Whoever it was, didn't just become a Shichibukai.

No, I'm saying you don't get that impression from the movie-- Garp talks as if Zephyr leaving is something that happened a LONG time ago.

Furthermore, the way Zephyr is set up, he would be a BIG figure in the marines if he had stuck around.

Garp says that Zephyr continued to fight, even more passionately after his students were killed/lost his arm, crushing ability users. It doesn't even make sense that he would have stepped down from his rank as Admiral.

Regardless of rank, a man so passionate about justice and fighting for the Marines, would absolutely have been at the Marine Forde battle if he had still been with them.


Finally, there is explicit proof in the story that Zephyr left the marines a long time ago:
(Kizaru v. Zetto)
キザル:おおぉぉ、久しぶりですね、先生。何をしに来になさったんで?
Kizaru: OooOh, Long time no see, Sensei. To what do we owe the honor?

ゼット:ボルサリノ、ピカピカの実の能力を頼りすぎるんだと、俺が忠告したはずだが。。。?
Zetto: Borsalino, I did warn you about relying too much on the Pika Pika fruit's power right...?

キザル:相変わらず厳しいいこってえ〜 ゼファー先生ー
Kizaru: As always, you're soo strict~ Zephyr Sensei--

ゼット:その名は捨てた!俺はゼットだ!!
Zetto: I threw away that name! I am, Zetto!!

ゼット:っらくなった海軍で、大将キザルとか、いい気になってるんじゃねえか!??
Zetto: Gettin' to be a big man in the marines eh-- I heard you'd become "Admiral Kizaru" or something-- aren't you getting a bit too cocky!??

キザル:ワシは思い出話をしに来たんじゃねえんで〜
Kizaru: I didn't come to talk about old times~
So, looking at the bolded part, it's clear that Zetto only heard about Kizaru's promotion second hand. He wasn't with the marines when Kizaru was promoted to admiral.

Seeing as Kizaru definitely was an Admiral at Shabondy arc, and had been one for a long time, this is unrefutable proof that Zepher left the Marines a long time ago--

Which means [that pirate] had to have been a Shichibukai for a LONG time.




The tone of the story and the contextual facts-- there's no denying that Zephyr had been gone for MUCH longer than 1.5 years... If this new Shichibukai guy only just because a Shichibukai, than he couldn't possibly be the one who cut off Zephyr's arm.

However, there might be some loop hole-- like if Croc for instance, had been replace by Boa Handcock, than maybe it's possible that this mystery guy had always been one of the Shichibukai?




@Strawhats--

Honestly, Franky wasn't holding his own-- he was pretty much spanking Doflamingo's guys.

However, all of them are pretty damn impressive.

Nami stands out because of her ability to disappear and reappear at will.

Robin's ability to basically make / swap with clones seems pretty ridiculous-- we can't tell from the battles so far, but to me it looks like she might have actually learned to make the "real" body into a clone, or a clone is also a "real body". In which case, she can basically teleport-- her power would instantly become way more broken than any cloning technique in Naruto for instance.

Usopp's new attacks and utility are impressive to say the least.

Brooke doesn't seem to have improved as much, but then he was a looong time veteran, and was once the captain of a crew. Can't underestimate him too much.
 
Anyone have a good download link? The only ones I can find are either in Korean or in some weird-ass file (not .mov or .mp4 or anything reasonable like that), and the streaming versions are (as usual) unwatchable 240p.
 
from one piece wikia said:
Marine ServiceEdit

Sixty years ago, a 14 year old Zephyr enlisted in the Marines, desiring to become a hero. He eventually participated in his first battle four years later, in the G-5 Division[4]. At age 28, Zephyr realized that the Marines are not always heroes. Six years later, Zephyr had mastered Busoshoku Haki. For this reason, he received the epithet "Black Arm".
Zephyr became an Admiral at age 38, during Gol D. Roger and Edward Newgate's golden age. By this time, he had become very popular with his subordinates. He got married, and a year later, his son was born.
Zephyr's happiness was ended prematurely when a pirate murdered his wife and son three years later. Zephyr wanted to resign from the Marines, but he was eventually persuaded to stay as an instructor. He trained many cadets, most of whom would ascend the Marines bureaucracy in both power and status.
Zephyr screams after losing his arm and almost all of his division. Twenty-three years after the death of his loved ones, Zephyr's arm was cut off by a pirate who has a Devil Fruit power, along with his entire division massacred with only Ain and Binz surviving. At age 70, Zephyr received his mechanical arm from a government scientist and began hunting down pirates with Devil Fruit powers.
Neo MarinesEdit

One year ago, the same pirate who severed Zephyr's arm became a Shichibukai, prompting the instructor and former Admiral to renounce the Marines in order to create his own group, the Neo Marines. With his new group they plotted to destroy all pirates.
Sometime after the Neo Marines were formed, Ain and Shuzo dueled each other for the position of Z's right hand. Ain became the victor and Z appointed her as his second-in-command



I've been asking a few others who watched the movie and they say one piece wikia's time line is correct chou, as in 60 years ago he was 14 and joined the marines, at 38 he became an admiral (so 24 years later), at 42 he lost his son and wife (4 years later), at 65 lost his arm to a pirate (23 years later), then 5 after that got his mechanical arm. Then 1 year ago (so during the timeskip), the pirate who ripped off his arm became a shichibukai.

It claims that he became an instructor, so he might not have been a format part of the military power? After all, when Garp and Sengoku wanted to retire, Kong gave them both instructor positions. Also, it mentions he began hunting devil fruit pirates, so maybe he was doing that on his own (kinda like a marine endorsed bounty hunter)?

Of course, the movie isn't "entirely" canon, so that has to be considered. I still think what Oda is hinting to us is that the 7th shichibukai he didn't reveal during this: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v60/c700/15.html is the one who ripped off Zephyr's arm, simply because that is what the "mostly" canon movie is telling us (according to one piece wiki :P)
 
Zephyr had mastered Busoshoku Haki. For this reason, he received the epithet "Black Arm".

Nice to see this lil info, now we can gauge the Busoshoku hakis level of any OP character that isn't a logia (I don't think the visual ques for the latter will be distinguishable).
 
Aldaron, none of those dates or ages are included in the movie. Based on the content of the movie, [that pirate] becoming a Shikibukai 1 year ago makes no sense.

So the answer lies in one of these:

a) They're fucking up the kinda-but-not-really-canon movie and don't care
b) They've fucked up the fact book about the kinda-but-not-really-canon movie and don't care (because those dates are not from the movie, they have to be from a fact book about the movie)
c) Come on, it's a not-really-canon movie so who gives a crap?
 
Why didn't he just get his VA to return him to his prime... Garp and Sengoku should totally have done the same...
 
No, that's not possible. Whoever it was, didn't just become a Shichibukai.

No, I'm saying you don't get that impression from the movie-- Garp talks as if Zephyr leaving is something that happened a LONG time ago.

Furthermore, the way Zephyr is set up, he would be a BIG figure in the marines if he had stuck around.

Garp says that Zephyr continued to fight, even more passionately after his students were killed/lost his arm, crushing ability users. It doesn't even make sense that he would have stepped down from his rank as Admiral.

Regardless of rank, a man so passionate about justice and fighting for the Marines, would absolutely have been at the Marine Forde battle if he had still been with them.


Finally, there is explicit proof in the story that Zephyr left the marines a long time ago:
(Kizaru v. Zetto)
So, looking at the bolded part, it's clear that Zetto only heard about Kizaru's promotion second hand. He wasn't with the marines when Kizaru was promoted to admiral.

Seeing as Kizaru definitely was an Admiral at Shabondy arc, and had been one for a long time, this is unrefutable proof that Zepher left the Marines a long time ago--

Which means [that pirate] had to have been a Shichibukai for a LONG time.




The tone of the story and the contextual facts-- there's no denying that Zephyr had been gone for MUCH longer than 1.5 years... If this new Shichibukai guy only just because a Shichibukai, than he couldn't possibly be the one who cut off Zephyr's arm.

However, there might be some loop hole-- like if Croc for instance, had been replace by Boa Handcock, than maybe it's possible that this mystery guy had always been one of the Shichibukai?




@Strawhats--

Honestly, Franky wasn't holding his own-- he was pretty much spanking Doflamingo's guys.

However, all of them are pretty damn impressive.

Nami stands out because of her ability to disappear and reappear at will.

Robin's ability to basically make / swap with clones seems pretty ridiculous-- we can't tell from the battles so far, but to me it looks like she might have actually learned to make the "real" body into a clone, or a clone is also a "real body". In which case, she can basically teleport-- her power would instantly become way more broken than any cloning technique in Naruto for instance.

Usopp's new attacks and utility are impressive to say the least.

Brooke doesn't seem to have improved as much, but then he was a looong time veteran, and was once the captain of a crew. Can't underestimate him too much.

Ah, good point. However, I'm still holding onto the slim possibility that the 7th Shichi was the one who ruined Z's life, and that Z was training marines on some random secret island or something. I would be so disappointed it turned out to be Doflamingo or Croc or something.

As for the strawhats, Usopp and Chopper have really impressed me with their growth, although Chopper's immobility after using monster point just screams abduction to me. Brooke, on the other hand, has never impressed me at all, but that might've been because we haven't seen him in many fights or use any special techniques yet.
 
Finally saw the movie (turns out when I looked for "One Piece Film Z English Sub", I literally got the subtitles and I needed to get a raw).

9/10, excellent and definitely the best of the One Piece films but it wasn't as great as I was expecting (I was expecting Marineford: the Movie, though, so I guess that's fair).

Sanji's Captain Falcon and a pedophile, Franky is a weapon of mass destruction and awesome as usual, and Robin has finally proven that One Piece puberty lasts at least until the age of 30.
 
However, there might be some loop hole-- like if Croc for instance, had been replace by Boa Handcock, than maybe it's possible that this mystery guy had always been one of the Shichibukai?

But she didn't. The original seven were Crocodile, Moria, Kuma, Hancock, Doflamingo, Mihawk and Jinbe. Then Crocodile lost his title and Blackbeard replaced him. Then Moria and Jinbe were out, and Law and ??? came in. If Movie Z is canon, then this unknown dude is the one that cut off Zephyr's arm.

Or maybe Oda doesn't care.
 
If the person who cut off the arm became a warlord in the past that would mean that it would have to be one of the original 7 or a person that left the shichi before we were introduced to them, while the latter is certainly an option I think given the main antagonist this time around that the one who did so was doflamingo.
 
I was thinking Dofly too, but Doflamingo isn't that old, if he were the culprit it must have been when he was much younger around luffys age which should be before his prime while competing against Z who was in his prime, that metal arm may have made him stronger but he was able to contend with kizaru pretty well despite being only at luffys level, this means that either luffys admiral level, doflaming really could have beaten Aokiji at Punk Hazard, or the powering scale for Z was awful
 
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