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Other Looking Ahead to Gen VI Mark II (SEE POSTS #818 & #858)
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Fairy-type Priority Move: Baby-Doll Eyes; lowers opponent's Attack stat. May or may not do damage.
That sounds surprisingly effective considering Fairy's immunity to Dragon. Switch-in on a +1 Outrage, use Baby-Doll Eyes to lower the Dragon's Attack before it uses its coverage move.
Electric-type Pokémon cannot be afflicted with the Paralyzed condition.
F-ing Christ, Game Freak! Jirachi, I feel so bad for you now... Talk about kicking you while you're down. Electric resists Iron Head and now doesn't care about Body Slam.
Grass-type Pokémon are immune to Leech Seed and powder and spore moves.
There's that big sleep nerf we wanted.
Basically immune to Sleep and Paralysis. (Unless Hypnosis gets a buff) He knew this was coming; that explains the constant grin.
Ghost-type Pokémon are not affected by moves that prevent Pokémon from fleeing from battle.
That sounds like Shadow Tag got a small nerf at least. No more Trick-Scarfing my Jellicent, Gothi. And before anyone says it, I REALLY doubt that affects Pursuit.
So let's add everything up here:
-Fairy was introduced.
-Dragon got nerfed. (By Fairy)
-Steel got nerfed.
-Psychic became pointless. (Outclassed by Fairy offensively and defensively)
-Fighting got nerfed. (by Fairy)
-Electric got buffed.
-Paralysis got nerfed.
-Grass got buffed.
-Sleep got nerfed.
-Ghost got buffed.
-Dark traded Steel for Fairy as a resistant type.
-And Poison got buffed.
After seeing all that, this generation couldn't be more different from Gen 5 even just match-up-wise. I could not be happier with these changes.
That sounds surprisingly effective considering Fairy's immunity to Dragon. Switch-in on a +1 Outrage, use Baby-Doll Eyes to lower the Dragon's Attack before it uses its coverage move.
Electric-type Pokémon cannot be afflicted with the Paralyzed condition.
F-ing Christ, Game Freak! Jirachi, I feel so bad for you now... Talk about kicking you while you're down. Electric resists Iron Head and now doesn't care about Body Slam.
Grass-type Pokémon are immune to Leech Seed and powder and spore moves.
There's that big sleep nerf we wanted.
Basically immune to Sleep and Paralysis. (Unless Hypnosis gets a buff) He knew this was coming; that explains the constant grin.
Ghost-type Pokémon are not affected by moves that prevent Pokémon from fleeing from battle.
That sounds like Shadow Tag got a small nerf at least. No more Trick-Scarfing my Jellicent, Gothi. And before anyone says it, I REALLY doubt that affects Pursuit.
So let's add everything up here:
-Fairy was introduced.
-Dragon got nerfed. (By Fairy)
-Steel got nerfed.
-Psychic became pointless. (Outclassed by Fairy offensively and defensively)
-Fighting got nerfed. (by Fairy)
-Electric got buffed.
-Paralysis got nerfed.
-Grass got buffed.
-Sleep got nerfed.
-Ghost got buffed.
-Dark traded Steel for Fairy as a resistant type.
-And Poison got buffed.
After seeing all that, this generation couldn't be more different from Gen 5 even just match-up-wise. I could not be happier with these changes.
Actually, the site says "The move can lower the target's Attack stat". So it probably does damage and has a chance to lower Attack
And suddenly no one is scared of it anymore. Seriously. We have powerful dragons already. A power boost is nice, but the main thing Garchomp had going for it over other Dragons was its speed. With a Spe drop and no item... why would you ever use it over guys like Haxorus?
The Spd is more than likely 65, since all eevelutions only have one 60 base stat. As for the 110 spA, then moonblast has what, 20 BP? Hydreigon may have decent bulk but its 4x weak to fairy. Im betting on sylveon being umbreon-esque, but with a highly better typing obviously.
P.D. is mega-chomp confirmed to have its speed lowered? If it is, then at least it isnt a waste of an artwork, it was incredibly over designed imo.
welp, jirachi for uu 2014
Seconding this. :[
Yea I'm going with this. It's a bit of a shame too. At least it gives me more of an excuse to play uu.
So the recent announcements of the new type buffs makes me hopeful that the types that seem to have gotten the short end of the stick (psychic, bug, ice, etc) might be getting some indirect buffs not yet revealed. Maybe related to new moves, statuses, weather. After all GF said they were going to rebalance the types more. Then again I'm an optimist.
I would really like it but I doubt it, Jirachi will still be amazing.
In a total unrelated note, MegaVenusaur (normal Venusaur too in a sense) seems like it gets better with every new info we get, Water got no nerf with the new type-chart (I'm still angry with this) meaning a mon resistant to Water and not weak to Electric, Ice or Fighting coverage will be really useful, now he is immune to most forms of sleep (making him a perfect Breloom counter), he can hit Fairy for SE with his most powerful reliable move (Sludge Bomb), he resists Fairy, he is a grass type not weak to Fire in a generation where the evil team is called Flare and there is a Fire bias among the released mons, so yes while it is too early to say anything as we don't know exactly how MEvo works and how much of a status boost MegaSaur will gain, it's not impossible for him to become the next gen Ferrothorn.
anybody else think breloom got kind of a nerf? With the fairies resisting fighting attacks and Grass-types being unaffected by spore, it seems like it'll be a lot more difficult for Breloom to do what it does.
Am I the only one who's glad?
It will also be crazy hard to reliably sleep any grass type, including Breloom, so he doesn't have it too bad.
The only other valid grass-type in the ou metagame that can put things to sleep is Venasuar who's Poison-type got a buff on fairies this gen (it can kill grass types outright too So it doesn't care much about not putting them to sleep) and got a Mega Evolution. Breloom doesn't have either of those luxuries.
You seem to have forgotten amoonguss is semi-viable, when played correctly and when he is the only one who will fill a needed teamslot. And don't get me wrong, I'm glad Breloom got a nerf.
Yes I did,..... and he also has the Luxury of being the Buffed Posion-type who doesn't care if grass-types stop it's sleeping move. I'm neutral that Breloom got this nerf, I was just pointing it out.
Honestly, I feel amoonguss is going to see a lot more use this gen. I imagine his essential set will be spore/Giga drain/sludge bomb/Hp fire.
I don't know about anyone else, but I feel that whether or not Amoonguss's usage increases will be directly proportional to just how good Fairy-types turn out to be.
At the very least, with what info we have now, it will continue to be a good rain check in any case.
I won't be too upset about Megachomp's speed being lowered until I see what new moves, and stats it has to offer. Any "little drop" can ultimately mean something big for chomp, unless it's only by like 2(which I highly doubt). Of course this is being very hopeful since a speed drop of 2 does put him in line with Mence, and others, anything lower then 2 could make it much worse. If it is lower then 2, (which it most likely will be), the only redeeming factor will be what new moves Garchomp will be able to learn, (maybe something else as well), to alleviate the situation.
Loved megachomp's design, but I may have to shelf my megastone slot for something else just to keep my normal chomp.
Loved megachomp's design, but I may have to shelf my megastone slot for something else just to keep my normal chomp.
Well, yes, because of his poison stab becoming better and defensively it becoming great. If fairies see little usage, I'd guess mainly from the uprising of Gengar (again), so will amoonguss.
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