Pokémon XY General Discussion

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Forsety said:
Nice of Masuda to finally put it on the official record to silence the apologists, even the dev themselves have admitted Dragons are overpowered and this is a long needed intended re-balance for them. I like this game but there has always been a severe type imbalance present ever since Gen 3 which has empowered some setups too much.

Although it's still to be seen if some of their observations may have only been at the surface level or outdated because whilst Ferrothorn and dragons were vermin on a level of Geodude/Zubat random encounters in VGC, a lot of people could probably tell you Thundurus is equally guilty of killing the viability of most things more recently.
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Fairy should be weak to fire attacks aswell, a bit too strong at the mo with only Steel and Poison types able to score SE hits o_O

Fire is OP anyway, and X and Y doesn't seem 2 be doing too much for them as of now, but I'm not sure what the Makers are doing creating a type that only Steel and Poison are good with. Hyper OP Muk FTW??
 
Lilligant562 said:
Fire is OP anyway
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Joeyboy said:
The quote from serebii is "It has also been confirmed that the game will not receive any post-release patches to alter the components of the game for rebalance."

Now I don't want to get anyones hopes up but it sounds like there could still be post-release patches to simply add new content, just not any to rebalance any of the original game.
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The original interview [can't remember which one it was] specified the there were no plans to do that, not that they definitely would not. If something is broken enough, they may just decide to do it anyway.

Also, if there is anyone reading that took part in the earlier conversation on whether there had ever been any 2D 3DS games, Devil Survivor: Overclocked did a similar thing with most of the game in 2D and parts in 3D. It definitely adds a lot of contrast, and is visually interesting, though I remember there being a slight brightness change when it shifted which kind of sucks. I'm disappointed by the lack of 3D overworld, but I've seen the effect done well, so I'm very hopeful.

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Lilligant562 said:
Fairy should be weak to fire attacks aswell, a bit too strong at the mo with only Steel and Poison types able to score SE hits o_O

Fire is OP anyway, and X and Y doesn't seem 2 be doing too much for them as of now, but I'm not sure what the Makers are doing creating a type that only Steel and Poison are good with. Hyper OP Muk FTW??
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I expect the idea is to increase the offensive usefulness of steel and poison type attacks. I'm not as familiar with the competitive metagame as a lot of players, but they definitely both seem underwhelming just looking at their coverage. Making them SE against Fairy types encourages them to be more common in order to counter the soon-to-be ever-present Dragon-counters.
 
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Lilligant562 said:
Fairy should be weak to fire attacks aswell, a bit too strong at the mo with only Steel and Poison types able to score SE hits o_O
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I think the two types where chosen to be SE against fairy for flavor reasons that just so happen to coincide with their lack of offensive presence. If fairy type pokemon get some good niche moves and stats, they'll be up in the top tiers waging war with the dragons, which will in turn drag poison types up the ranks. It may even have an much more negative affect on dragons, forcing them down a tier or two into the realms of the poison-types.

There's a few ways is can turn out. But i know for sure that Venomoth (My All time favourite pokemon) is going to love squishing fairies.
 
hitoshura0 said:
It's probably more along the lines of "This is really cool in theory, but some people just aren't able to play at certain times, so it's punishing them if they can't catch their favorites just because they don't play when it comes out". I think it's a neat feature, but after headaches involving messing with the clock to get the teams I desired in HG/SS, it seems like a needless complication that's less fun than it is neat.
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I think it would work fine if they made it so that the day-night cycles were fairly short, and there isnt anything that has a 0% encounter rate at any point. If they just made it 75% Bidoof 25% Noctowl during for 1-2 hours, and 25% Bidoof, 75% Noctowl for the next 1-2 hours, etc.
 
Seeing as how prediction is half the game, the most immediate result will be Dragons carrying a Steel type move. Outrage could still be there.
 
Dragon will likely be a bad type that was lucky enough to have good pokemon associated with it. All Dragons will want to use their secondary STAB if they lack Poison or Steel moves (like the Latis) and Outrage will be a no-show.
 
It's very clear that GF has become liberal with distributing dragon typing this gen now that it's not the special endgame type. We've already had 3 pokemon gain it and we're still in the waiting phase. Personally though, I'm not really worried about dragons dropping of the map.
1. There's going to be more of them. More chances to be cool.
2. They claim the majority of pseudo legendary slots, and so have excellent stats. Did the abundance of electric immunity in OU prevent Thundrus in either form from being a fearsome sweeper?
3. Dragon is still are an excellent typing defensively. Two weaknesses isn't so bad when you resist fire, water, grass, and electric. That is one sweet set that becomes even sweeter when paired well. Latias will probably continue being a relevant defensive pivot.
4. Psychic lived. In fact, psychic prospers (for some of the above mentioned reasons)

I also remember someone suggested that all stats had been redone to make Pokemon bulkier. More likely the damage formula would be altered to achieve that effect.
 
Oh, right. Even so, I really can't see Dragons falling out of favor so quickly. As others have mentioned, they still have excellent stats even with the typing nerfs and will just have to adjust their offensive focus.

I'm hoping Weezing will finally start seeing more use after being outclassed by Heatran for so long. Although it still is for the most part, Weezing still has that item-less Ground immunity, excellent physical bulk, a good Sludge Bomb, and Pain Split recovery that can help it carve out its own niche in the metagame.
 
TaiCrunch said:
I'm hoping Weezing will finally start seeing more use after being outclassed by Heatran for so long. Although it still is for the most part, Weezing still has that item-less Ground immunity, excellent physical bulk, a good Sludge Bomb, and Pain Split recovery that can help it carve out its own niche in the metagame.
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How was weezing outclassed by heatran?

Weezing:

1. Physical Wall
2. Healing move (pain split)
3. Resistances to popular types (fighting, immunity to ground.)
4. Carries will o wisp
5. Haze

Heatran:

1. Special tank
2. No healing aside from lefties
3. High special attack, and a good defensive typing
4. Phazing
5. Stealth rocks

I just gave you five completely different things that either Pokemon does. If anything, lando outclasses weezing.
 
TaiCrunch said:
Oh, right. Even so, I really can't see Dragons falling out of favor so quickly. As others have mentioned, they still have excellent stats even with the typing nerfs and will just have to adjust their offensive focus.

I'm hoping Weezing will finally start seeing more use after being outclassed by Heatran for so long. Although it still is for the most part, Weezing still has that item-less Ground immunity, excellent physical bulk, a good Sludge Bomb, and Pain Split recovery that can help it carve out its own niche in the metagame.
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What...? Weezing doesn't have anything in common with Heatran. Weezing's biggest niche is physical defense with a fighting resist, EQ immunity and great special movepool. Heatran is almost the polar opposite of that.


Edit: ninja'd oh and to be fair, defensive Heatran sometime carry Wil O Wisp like Weezing and are immune to Toxic, but they're really like night and day comparisons
 
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Heatran was the reason Weezing fell out of OU in Gen IV. What I'm saying is I'm hoping it gets more use with the new type chart. Of course, there's no question that Heatran will stay in one of the top spots in Gen VI.
 
youngjake93 said:
Edit: ninja'd oh and to be fair, defensive Heatran sometime carry Wil O Wisp like Weezing and are immune to Toxic, but they're really like night and say comparisons
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Well, at least when I use defensive heatran I opt for toxic and lava plume over will o wisp and any other fire attack. Multi status ftw.
 
Spenstar said:
Dragon will likely be a bad type that was lucky enough to have good pokemon associated with it. All Dragons will want to use their secondary STAB if they lack Poison or Steel moves (like the Latis) and Outrage will be a no-show.
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Just because Dragon gained a new immune match-up does not make it a bad type. Sure if the opposing team has 3-4 fairy types then your dragon-type STAB isn't going to be very good. But the opposing team will likely not have 3-4 fairys. Dragon still has fewer NVE match-ups than most other types. And it will continue to be a good type for Dragons to use, just not as good anymore.

Just because flying-types are immune to ground-types doesn't make ground-type attacks bad. Ask Earthquake.

Also Outrage won't disappear, it'll likely stop its raging effect when met with an immune pokemon just as Thrash stops when used on a ghost-type. So theres no huge drawback to it other than the regular "it doesn't hurt the fairy type".
 
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Judging from that wording I think we can rest easy as it seems to be another 10% freezing chance. But this SURE DOES LOOK EPIC! Like a mini Sheer Cold.
 
TaiCrunch said:
Heatran was the reason Weezing fell out of OU in Gen IV. What I'm saying is I'm hoping it gets more use with the new type chart. Of course, there's no question that Heatran will stay in one of the top spots in Gen VI.
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Weezing wasn't OU in Gen III either so Heatran didn't really hurt it that much...

Also, I already liked Little T-Rex mon but Big T-Rex mon is pretty cool too.

Finally, for everyone else saying Dragon is now a bad typing, I just saw a new type being immune to it. On the other hand, their only counters were nerfed with two less resistances and are likely to suffer a bit from it. Finally, I don't think we have seen any Fairy-type Pokemon that screams OU yet. We have a cover legend that will probably go to Ubers and a specially bulky but probably slow and physically frail Eeveelution so Dragons are far from being a bad type.
 
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