Dicks, I meant or instead of and. I'll leave it there for prosperity. However, my serp at least, generally runs HP fire (because screw scizor). Since thick fat isn't a thing yet, at the most it'll take 1 boost to guarantee a KO. Either way, point still stands that vensuar needs sun to do anythingNot that a straight vs is any indication of their respective competetive viability, but even so:
You can't outspeed and phase in the same turn since phazing moves have negative priority.
And I'm not sure what moves you're koing venusaur with. He may, however, carry a SE stab for you.
edit: oh i guess there's hidden power
except contrary isn't released, and therefore, Serperior sucks.
Haha, screw that noise. I simply don't play with folks that don't like unreleased DW (which as far as hardware goes, has been nobody). Problem solved for me =P
He's not invincible by any means though. Scizor remains an omnipresent threat, depending on your moveset