Other Viable Megas

[Runic]

Charizard X is fucking amazing. That attack stat mixed with that ability mixed with STAB Flare Blitz and Dragon Claw mixed with Earthquake to hit extra things for super effective mixed with DRAGON DANCE on top of all that oh my god I always knew he'd be good one day.

Charizard Y I've already said my peace on.

 

[Srn]

Nobody's mentioned mega tyranitar yet (unless I skimmed over that) so I'm gonna share my thoughts on that now.
I've heard that the base stats were 100/164/150/95/120/71. It still has sand stream, and is still rock/dark.
If you wanted to have a bulky tyranitar, maybe leftovers would be better, but then you'd be missing out on the 164 attack this gives, but if you wanted to go banded you'd be missing the +54 defense and +20 sp. def AND +10 speed (correct me if I'm wrong, doing this from memory)
Basically, this mega tyranitar would serve as some sort of middle ground between the offensive and defensive extremes that tyranitar gives the player, and it might actually be quite popular seeing as now it can outspeed base 70s, which is a pretty important speed benchmark.

 

[SkaterTrainer]

There's no drought ban yet. Also, 5 turns is plenty for a sweeper.

But why run it when you can use the extension item (heat stone iirc) which doubles the time weather lasts. So ninetails with heat stone switches in and then you to safely switch into your sweeper and have 8-9 turns to do so. Weather is SUPER nerfed. I doubt weather will be a dominating force this gen and charizard Y isn't as strong as ninetails for drought except for his own boosts which isn't worth it when there are better megas.

 

[ryan]

Mega Banette could be cool. It has always been in dire need of some stat boosts, and now it finally gets them. I'm just hoping that it gets mostly defensive buffs; it already has good Attack as it is. Looking through its current movepool, it doesn't have much over Sableye, but it DOES have Prankster Destiny Bond, which is pretty fucking cool imo. It also has all three status enducing moves, Will-O-Wisp, Toxic, and Thunder Wave. What it's really going to come down to is whether it can function as an offensive support Pokemon with something like Phantom Force / Sucker Punch / Will-O-Wisp / Destiny Bond. This would be its best niche over Sableye (aside from lack of Fairy weakness I guess), considering it has no reliable recovery. Thoughts?

Also jesus christ please get rid of the apostrophe in the thread title.

 

[Spenstar]

Mega Blaziken seemed pointless to me, until I realized that Adamant MBlaz outdamages Jokly LO Blaz. With 100 speed and Speed Boost, MBlaz can afford to run Adamant and still has higher speed. Plus, the better defenses and lack of LO recoil greatly improves its survivability, which was shit before. It could have been better, but if your team doesn't call for any other Mega and you're using Blaziken, MBlaz is the way to go

 

[Antarctic Termite]

Hm... I don't think anyone's mentioned Mega Aggron yet, which is quite probably my favourite Mega Evolution in terms of looks alone. I'm still looking for information on its stats (And hoping for a Special Defense buff), but from what we know now, Aggron's already received a pretty excellent Mega Evolution. Loss of a Surf/Scald weakness and 4x weakness to Fighting and Ground is obviously great, although Mega Aggron isn't going to like taking Fire Blasts etc. from special attackers. Filter is much more useful without the double weaknesses, though. I'm not sure how much speculation this thread allows, but considering Aggron's off-balance stats right now, I'm guessing a small increase to Attack, Defense, and Speed, and a large one to the other defenses.

Oh, wait, just remembered that Filter overrides other abilities. I guess you could use or bluff Rock Head + STAB Head Smash before you Mega Evolved, but Sturdy probably won't see as much use anymore, and after the evolution Head Smash wouldn't be a very useful moveslot. Hm.

I would like to ask everyone what are your impressions of CharizardX and CharizardY? Which one is better? Do u think drought being only 5 turns now tilts the balance in favour of zardX? And do Ground attacks affect zardX (I am asking cause zardX clearly has wings)?

Well, we know the X evo doesn't have Levitate, and it seems unlikely that intrinsic immunities would have been implemented without anyone noticing, so I doubt it still keeps its Ground immunity. Judging by looks alone, anyway, its wings don't look outstandingly flightworthy (Although apparently it still flies in its animation? Bleh). Still, good STAB combination and no weakness to Fairy and Ice helps, and as someone already said, Dragon Dance + Tough Claws sounds outstanding. As for the Y evolution, the nerf to weather abilities and the inability to hold Heat Rock will mean that it'll have to switch out more often if its team wants the sun to stay up and doesn't have Ninetales. Meanwhile, Stealth Rock remains broken (yes), and switching will really, really not have a good effect on Charizard Y, so it won't get more than one chance to sweep or support without Leftovers and a bit of luck. Worth noting though is that Charizard X is probably no longer immune to (Toxic) Spikes and has a single weakness to Stealth Rock, so it won't particularly like switching either.

 

[Non-Guest 31415]

I suppose Mega Charizard Y will be BETTER than Charizard...definitley not OU though

And in fact I'd imagine that it'll hope not. Being OU and competing with Ninetales isn't really the goal of a Pokemon with a 4x SR weakness. If Groudon stays Uber (almost guaranteed), then one of Ninetales and Charizard WILL be OU because people want to use weather teams. Ninetales does it better, but there's no Ninetales in UU in this scenario. Charizard goes UU which is better than he's been since SR. I think that's viable enough to mention.

 

[Mattman324]

And in fact I'd imagine that it'll hope not. Being OU and competing with Ninetales isn't really the goal of a Pokemon with a 4x SR weakness. If Groudon stays Uber (almost guaranteed), then one of Ninetales and Charizard WILL be OU because people want to use weather teams. Ninetales does it better, but there's no Ninetales in UU in this scenario. Charizard goes UU which is better than he's been since SR. I think that's viable enough to mention.

Except with the mixture of Mega Charizard X and Y, it's almost guaranteed to end up OU. Personally, I can see someone using either one - X is an amazing offensive blaster, but Y can deal a lot of special damage in very little time with Sun boosted Solarbeams and Fire Blasts (even if the latter was nerfed)

 

[Haruno]

Mega Blaziken seemed pointless to me, until I realized that Adamant MBlaz outdamages Jokly LO Blaz. With 100 speed and Speed Boost, MBlaz can afford to run Adamant and still has higher speed. Plus, the better defenses and lack of LO recoil greatly improves its survivability, which was shit before. It could have been better, but if your team doesn't call for any other Mega and you're using Blaziken, MBlaz is the way to go

Blaze should always be running adamant regardless so that's pretty moot.

 

[Mattman324]

Blaze should always be running adamant regardless so that's pretty moot.

Then the issue becomes Speed, which Mega Blaziken outdoes. The speed boost is what makes it viable, don't mistake the minor extra Attack as anything.

 

[Haruno]

Then the issue becomes Speed, which Mega Blaziken outdoes. The speed boost is what makes it viable, don't mistake the minor extra Attack as anything.

Even standard speed boost blaze should always have been running adamant in BW OU, unless you were doing something stupid like sending blaze in on scarfed Latios or whatnot you're almost guaranteed to outsped and/or setup on the first turn

 

[Mattman324]

The thing is, your opponent could switch Scarf Latias in against an Adamant Blaziken, and procede to STILL outspeed it and kill it in one hit. The base speed boost allows it to run Adamant AND outspeed more Scarfers after 1 Speed Boost, making it better.

 

[Haruno]

Isn't this why we have protect? I mean +1 jolly blaze isn't outspeeding scarfed latias anyhow which forces you to go for the double protect. This doesn't change if you use adamant since you outsped at +2

 

[Mattman324]

Fair enough, but now you can run SD + Three Attacks instead. There has to be SOME new pokemon you don't want to HJK or FB against, and repeated spamming of those attacks will kill you eventually.

 

[Haruno]

Fair enough, but now you can run SD + Three Attacks instead. There has to be SOME new pokemon you don't want to HJK or FB against, and repeated spamming of those attacks will kill you eventually.

I've mostly played ubers but I assume that low kick doesn't have 120 bp against most of the tier? If not that's pretty meh, overall the main reason to use speed boost blaze is for its baton pass more than anything. Blaze really can't afford to not run protect since it's frail and unless your opp is using ferro/forry when blaze comes in, it's almost forced to protect.

 

[Mattman324]

...what? No, the reason to use Speed Boost blaziken isn't because it can Baton Pass (though that is now an option). The reason to do it is because BLAZIKEN CAN SLAUGHTER A WHOLE TIER IF SET UP. Low Kick is pointless because it does pitiful damage against some pokemon (I note Vaporeon, though that is unlikely to stay OU...), and it is better to run a different move. Mach Punch at the very least, so you can not die to the few Priority users that don't use Bullet Punch.

 

[Haruno]

I thought we were talking about megablaze though. Unless standard speed boost blaze becomes legal again in Ou, in which case screw mega evolving and just go for life orb. The problem with blaze is it has a hard time getting that sd boost and unless you're in on a wall, you're forced to protect turn 1 or risk blaze getting ohko'd.

 

[Mattman324]

...for Mega Blaziken to be usable in OU, normal Blaziken has to be usable in OU. Mega has speed over the normal making it easier to avoid a revenge kill, normal can run Life Orb (making it die a whole heck of a lot quicker factoring in the Flare Blitz recoil).
That's the difference we're worrying about here. The extra speed means A LOT, because he can't suddenly be countered for free by Scarfed Latis or most other Scarfers.

 

[SJCrew]

The problem with blaze is it has a hard time getting that sd boost and unless you're in on a wall, you're forced to protect turn 1 or risk blaze getting ohko'd.

If you played at all when Blaziken was OU, you'd know that's still not true. Blaziken almost always forced switches because he was a threat to anything he faced, and the opponent would often try to predict his Protect to get a bulky wall in. More often than not, Blaze forces you into 50/50 where you hope you can catch him slipping with HJK into a Ghost or Protecting against something that won't stay in. If you predict properly, you can force Blaziken out. If you're wrong, either something dies or you're staring at a +2/+1 from the scariest sweeper in the game.

Counters, forget about it. Blaziken could muscle through all of them.

With Mega Blaziken, I'm probably going to dust off the old bulky Baton Pass set and just do whatever I want. This guy is almost certainly going to be banned.

 

[Mattman324]

Well, Scarf Latias and friends still could get in and immediately go "lol, protect or die". They can't do that for Mega Blaziken, which is a marked advantage.

Of course, Baton Pass being also amazingly viable is also an interesting thing.

 

[Thorhammer]

I don't think MegAbomasnow is gonna be viable. At first glance, it looks great; the lowered speed helps with the weather wars (which are now more like weather slap fights [fucking good]), and it has the stats of an Uber mixed tank. However, all of its standard sets demand lefties except mixed attacker, and since you need max speed investment to stay on par with regular Abomasnow's, you won't have enough to invest in both attack stats. Not to mention its seven weaknesses.

Why would Mega Abomasnow want to bother matching regular Abomasnow's Spd? It's not like there are particularly critical Speed tiers between them. If you're using it, you're using it as a tank that's okay with moving second and tanking the hits with its increased defenses. ...In whatever tier that might be viable.

 

[Mattman324]

Why would Mega Abomasnow want to bother matching regular Abomasnow's Spd? It's not like there are particularly critical Speed tiers between them. If you're using it, you're using it as a tank that's okay with moving second and tanking the hits with its increased defenses. ...In whatever tier that might be viable.

Probably UU or RU at best. There, I imagine Mega Abomasnow will shine, potentially setting up Hail for a few turns while it's out (no Icy Rock chance, though) and being able to outstall and destroy pretty much everything, assuming the foe doesn't throw a Fire attack at it.

 

[chad1996]

The major downside I see to using Mega Charizard-X as a dragon dance sweeper is it is 4x weak to SR the first time it switches in. Even if its typing is pretty good defensively, with 50% health, it's probably not going to get 2 dragon dances up. Then scarfed Keldeo, for example, could come in and ruin its day.

Mega Gengar has two immunities, so if it comes in on something like banded Terrakion locked into close combat, it can do whatever it wants. The opponent might be hesitant to use a fighting move if he sees mega Gengar, but the fact that Gengar's presence inhibits the use of many otherwise extremely viable choice pokemon makes it threatening in and of itself. Also, does anyone know what priority a mega evo happens at? If it goes before a switch out, shadow tag can still trap the pokemon in.

The advantage to using Mega-Charizard-Y over ninetales is, I think, disregarding stealth rock, Charizard is a much better pokemon than Ninetales. If you pair Mega-Charizard-Y with a magic bounce user or even a good rapid spinner, which sun teams should be running anyways because they are pretty weak to SR, Mega-Charizard-Y can outclass Ninetales.

While thick fat might be useful for Venasaur, it is still weak to the fairly common psychic and flying, and doesn't have a lot of useful resistances. It might resist water and electric, but so does ferrothorn, and I don't think water will be used as much offensively with the weather nerf. Altogether, I think it is pretty decent, but outclassed by other non-mega pokemon, so it's not something you should use your mega slot on.

 

[Mattman324]

The advantage to using Mega-Charizard-Y over ninetales is, I think, disregarding stealth rock, Charizard is a much better pokemon than Ninetales. If you pair Mega-Charizard-Y with a magic bounce user or even a good rapid spinner, which sun teams should be running anyways because they are pretty weak to SR, Mega-Charizard-Y can outclass Ninetales.

I dunno, I'm personally thinking of running Mega Charizard Y BY ITSELF, with very little other Sun Support (an RSer of course, maybe a Chlorophyll Venusaur, but that's it). Fire Blast/Solarbeam/Air Slash/Roost or something can probably deal a lot of damage to a lot of threats.

 

[Thorhammer]

Most of these comments say "it's not worth using your mega slot for this pokemon", so which ones are worth using again? Lucario, Blaziken and Gengar? That's it?

Tyranitar probably, although I don't think we know its stats yet. Scizor and Garchomp for specific sets, but their regular forms will probably stay their standard. Aerodactyl, Absol, and Gyarados could turn out pretty useful, but it's hard to say.

But yeah, there will definitely be teams that won't want any of those or any of the probably less-popular Megas. For those teams, something like Charizard will do fine as long as it holds up on its own merits.