Other Viable Megas

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Thorhammer said:
Good catch! As with many Megas, the power gap only exists if they both use the same nature. Comparing Modest MegaZam to Timid LO Zam, the former actually has about 103% the power of the latter!

This does forfeit most of the Spe advantage, but it's still got 399 Spe to Timid LO Zam's 372. This is enough to outspeed +Spe base 130s like Mega Gengar; they reach 394.
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And there we go! I doubt there's much Zam outspeeds with a Timid nature that it doesn't with a modest one. (TBH I caught that while trying to justify MegaBlaziken's usefulness and I found that it applies to almost all Megas)
 
I will not rest until Mega Conkeldurr is found. I mean, I don't actually have the game, so I'll just not sleep until someone else does it for me.
 
It is also worth mentioning that, looking at past Smogon analyses, Timid is recommended for every Alakazam set in every generation. (Barring the weird Choice Band set that only made sense in Gen 3.)

So most of the time, Mega Alakazam should be able to out-damage LO Alakazam. It may dip lower in power to hit even higher Speed tiers, but for those purposes, LO Alakazam can't hope to compete.
 
Thorhammer said:
It is also worth mentioning that, looking at past Smogon analyses, Timid is recommended for every Alakazam set in every generation. (Barring the weird Choice Band set that only made sense in Gen 3.)

So most of the time, Mega Alakazam should be able to out-damage LO Alakazam. It may dip lower in power to hit even higher Speed tiers, but for those purposes, LO Alakazam can't hope to compete.
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The same goes for most Megas. Blaziken, Mewtwo Y I think, especially Lucario considering Adaptability. TBH though, aside from Mawile, the Mega I think might be the best in this regard is Gardevoir if you look at how much of a power boost it got after adjusting for nature
 
Except, of course, the ones that focus more on defenses (Aggron mainly), as well as Heracross and Abomasnow. Abomasnow simply gains enough power to outdo LO, Aggron is better for the bulk and retyping, and Heracross... well, he's not the worst Mega for nothing.
 
Just a couple of questions:

1) What Nature are you all planning on running on Lucario? Jolly/Adamant?

Adamant Outspeeds Base 97 and lower

Jolly Outspeeds Terrakion, Keldeo, Gengar, Latis. However, besides Keldeo, he can beat with BP

2) How viable is MegaAlakazam exactly? One Bullet Punch and its over, no?
 
And that's all assuming you're using Life Orb and not Focus Sash, which I personally prefer and have seen more.
 
It's always been "One Bullet Punch and it's over" for Alakazam, he still hates all non-Vaccum Wave priority. Now, however, he can defeat anyone NOT using Priority with rather relative ease. Sure, you lose the Sash (quite nice on Magic Guard Alakazam), but what you gain seems to be very nice.
 
55/70 is still not going to help it live the stronger users. Breloom can probably still OHKO with Mach Punch, Scizor will maul with Bullet Punch, ect. I can see weaker MPers not being able to OHKO anymore, though.

EDIT: Herpderp got spread wrong.
 
Does MegaAmpharos even get Dragon Pulse? It's not a TM anymore. If it doesn't, then all that new Dragon typing does is add more weaknesses.
 
I love how we are talking about life orb alakazam, when every one and their fucking mother runs sashzam ( who is mostly superior to lo zam). I can remember like two alakazams that have not been sashed. Also, I think trace is being underrated, as it checks excadrill, rain kingdra, etc (although that is less valuable with weather nerd, but I would use ttar and excadrill, as ttar only needs the sand for itself and excadrill really only needs a few turns to wreck shit. It also is nice for things like heatran, gastordon, etc. it also is cool for dragonite, speed boost blazoned, and countless other amazing abilities. It lost its niche as an unbreakable sash mon, but became so much more. Imagine switching in on sheer force landorus. It rhymes with gg and starts with two "g"s


on a side note, I wonder what happens when alakazam traces stance change?
 
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Not an S, but definitely very good.

Right now, it's looking like so:

UBERSCOOBERTOP: Mega Mewtwo, both forms.
TOP: Gengar and Lucario. Possibly Blaziken.
HIGH: Blaziken, Alakazam, Absol, Charizard (BECAUSE of both forms), maybe one or two others.
MID: Most of them.
BOT: Heracross. MAYBE Blastoise, assuming it doesn't get more to spam Mega Launcher with.
 
So Mega Gengar lost Levitate but got Shadow Tag. No black sludge means it's more or less all or nothing, however the +50 SpA probably ends up being better than a life orb (my guess anyways). I'm really on the fence with mega evolutions.
 
Stone RG said:
I agree with PK Gaming, old BW Sun teams are dead, as a matter fact, rain also is due to the sheer amount of weather abusers generic rain teams have. Eh, on the subject of Mega Zard Y, i find him as a destructive force with nothing to switch into bar: blissey, chansey, specially defensive politoed, and, well thats it.

Mega Zard Y can fill in a space that ninetales cannot: a wallbreaker, literally no offensive team can switch into a drought boosted 150+ (i dont know the exact stats for Charizard Y) Fire Blast, you can then kill him (which is probably going to cost more than we're giving tha bulk credit for), and then a simple non-set up chlrophyll sweeper can come in to wreck havoc. This is obviously assuming no rocks are up and Charizard comes in on something threatened by it, but you get the idea, i think charizard Y, even with the rocks weakness, can bring easy momentum to the table, something ninetales cannot do consistently and we know it, and create a new archetype for sun teams this generation.

CTC umm, the OP said Mega Gengar might be viable, and that Mega Blaziken is meh, this, btch plz.
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Coudln't miss the chance, but Assault Vest Goodra is a good counter to Mega Charizard Y and probably the only Pokemon that offensive teams can use to check Charizard Y more than once.

Princess Bubblegum said:
Lets be real here, even if Mega-Charizards are terrible, they will be OU for some time because they are Charizard.

It seems now that there seems to be the assumption that all kinds of teams will likely run a Mega-Evolution. So what Pokemon will stall (or at the least attempted stall) should / will run? ATM I am thinking mega-Aggron because of it's shear defense, although other Pokemon may work because of their speed / power to check things, or perhaps make a semi-stall team and run one as a sweeper.

Any thoughts for Megas on stall?
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Very few choices really. Mega Aggron's best role is as a tank not as a wall, as its lack of reliable recovery really lets it down.

Mega Scizor is a decent option on semi-stall or defensive balance, as its able to check a ton of Pokemon with its a bulky SD set and provide a very useful win condition as well. Aaaaaaand that's it really. For stall and semi-stall at least. Of course stall teams could also use Mega Gengar, but does this really mean anything? Quick Stall can use Mega Gengar too but this playstyle doesn't even exist, at least in practice.
 
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