My argument was philosophical - what's the point of making NU +20 instead of +15? Is it actually going to fix anything? Is it going to make pokemon currently not-viable viable? Doubtful. If it's going to improve this tier, why? What pokemon need +5 to all stats to become equivalent to RU, UU, etc tier pokemon? Is there a better heuristic we could use for this tier? Is the best way to run this tier to add flat shifts? What about multiplicative shifts for NU pokemon? Or shifts based on best/worst stats?
It seems like +15 is 'enough' for the pseudo/cast-down legendaries in NU to be 'usable', as well as select NU pokemon like Muk. Why should the tier continue to shift stats forward if that will not change anything for a majority of NU pokemon? That smacks of greedy people just wanting the tier to change so their already big-enough boys can play even bigger than before, while the little critters keep on staying little.
I guess what I'm asking for is something harder - if Muk had +5 hp and +5 SpD as a result of NU pokemon receiving +20 instead of +15, what would this let him survive he wouldn't otherwise? If there are several pokemon whose cases can be made, where they can now counter specific threats that are preventing their usage, then I'm all for +20, but otherwise, if the argument is a vague, "NU need to be stronger" then the real root of the problem has nothing to do with a mere +5 to all stats and this argument will just result in a boring tier where NU pokemon are all flavorless generalists.
It seems like +15 is 'enough' for the pseudo/cast-down legendaries in NU to be 'usable', as well as select NU pokemon like Muk. Why should the tier continue to shift stats forward if that will not change anything for a majority of NU pokemon? That smacks of greedy people just wanting the tier to change so their already big-enough boys can play even bigger than before, while the little critters keep on staying little.
I guess what I'm asking for is something harder - if Muk had +5 hp and +5 SpD as a result of NU pokemon receiving +20 instead of +15, what would this let him survive he wouldn't otherwise? If there are several pokemon whose cases can be made, where they can now counter specific threats that are preventing their usage, then I'm all for +20, but otherwise, if the argument is a vague, "NU need to be stronger" then the real root of the problem has nothing to do with a mere +5 to all stats and this argument will just result in a boring tier where NU pokemon are all flavorless generalists.