Oh, very cool! Would that make it 1/6 or 1/4 with a Binding Band?
1/6. Combined with Leech Seed damage, they'll usually go down before Wrap would wear off.
Oh, very cool! Would that make it 1/6 or 1/4 with a Binding Band?
HP Rock and a Sash can deal with Talonflame, I guess, but a set like this would get walled by Steel-types and other Grass-types might be able to take him out if they have HP Fire. HP Fire would seem to give better coverage, only being totally walled by Heatran.Think Giga Drain, Leaf Storm, Dragon Pulse, and HP Rock (since it covers all its weaknesses) are more suited to its ability. Once its checks are out, it can sweep with giga drain for added insult to injury.
Also slap on a focus sash for pesky talonflames.
But since it is only available in data mining but no actual cartridge use, only a gasp *hacked* Serperior can know contrary. One could argue it is legal due to it technically having the capacity to learn it.
It's in Pokebank OU, so we might as well get started.A thread about Serperior is pointless because we don't know what it can get via egg or levelup this gen. I think that, because of this, we should avoid discussing unreleased mons at time, unless we are discussing ubers, for obvious reasons.
HP Rock and a Sash can deal with Talonflame, I guess, but a set like this would get walled by Steel-types and other Grass-types might be able to take him out if they have HP Fire. HP Fire would seem to give better coverage, only being totally walled by Heatran.
It's in Pokebank OU, so we might as well get started.
Well of a grass types 5 weaknesses, HP rock covers 4 of them. With contrary, even a dragon pulse can deal with the odd chance of a grass pokemon with HP fire. Nobody said Serperior is a one man army, so as long as the opponents team is lacking a Heatran or its KO'd, Serperior can function just fine given a Leaf Storm....or two.
That's true, I was being unfair. You were just saying your idea, and I attacked you. :( Sorry.Wrap and other trap moves got a passive damage buff and deal 1/8 damage per turn. With Leech Seed that's 1/4 of their health. With Toxic it'd be even more. That's why it has new viability and if he doesn't get Contrary, which was the point I was making, then this would be his best set. Obviously Contrary Leaf Storm is better, but we Are listing options here.
Not to mention that Skarmory can wipe his boosts clean with Whirlwind and both Genesect and Scizor can OHKO him with STAB U-Turn or Bug Bite.But the thing is serperior with hp rock cannot do much to so many things it baits in, like genesect. Sure, its neutral coverage with hp rock is great, but hp rock isn't exactly that powerful even at +2. Meanwhile, hp fire will be knocking out all the forretress, ferrothorn, skarmory, scizor, and genesect that try to come in on you and set up, which is much, much more valuable.
But the thing is serperior with hp rock cannot do much to so many things it baits in, like genesect. Sure, its neutral coverage with hp rock is great, but hp rock isn't exactly that powerful even at +2. Meanwhile, hp fire will be knocking out all the forretress, ferrothorn, skarmory, scizor, and genesect that try to come in on you and set up, which is much, much more valuable.
Not to mention that Skarmory can wipe his boosts clean with Whirlwind and both Genesect and Scizor can OHKO him with STAB U-Turn or Bug Bite.
I know, I was merely agreeing why HP Fire is largely better with the worst case scenarios. c:Serperior is faster than skarmory and a +2 hp fire (sturdy will be broken from leaf storm on the switch-in) will always OHKO. If they bring it in after a death, if they brave bird they'll die to recoil because hp fire will have brought it down to sturdy and if they whirlwind then something else can ko, not to mentio your serperior itself is still safe. Scizor cannot outspeed serperior and dies to hp fire, even if its mega, from +2. Most people will think that they are safe and u-turn anyway, so you don't have to worry about bullet punch as much. I've found it common that genesect try to come in and steal your momentum with u-turn, so its easy to predict the switch in and OHKO with an unboosted hp fire as well.
HP Rock and a Sash can deal with Talonflame, I guess, but a set like this would get walled by Steel-types and other Grass-types might be able to take him out if they have HP Fire. HP Fire would seem to give better coverage, only being totally walled by Heatran.
It's in Pokebank OU, so we might as well get started.
Where/when was contrary serperior released?
I was under the impression that even if we know something exists, we wouldn't release it until it's made available (see soul dew BW, ST chandy and th likes)It was seen in the Battle Maison. It's not actually out yet but we at least know it's not gone forever like Shadow Tag Chandelure and still might see the light of day soon.
And we haven't. You still can't use Contrary Serperior on Showdown, doesn't stop people from theorymonning though.I was under the impression that even if we know something exists, we wouldn't release it until it's made available (see soul dew BW, ST chandy and th likes)
If you're looking for things that wall Grass/Dark, off the top of my head:My favorite Serp set was the Leaf Storm, Giga Drain, Substitute, coverage move with Life Orb. When I played Serp, the first thing people would try to do is paralyze it. Being behind a Sub makes it much more dangerous. Giga Drain is crucial for a few reasons. The first is HP recovery; LO recoil, Subs, and entry hazards really add up, and an unexpected Giga Drain can replentish Serp to the point where he can switch out and have another poke at the opposing team later.
The second reason is that Leaf Storm only has 8 PP. If Serp is switching in and out and attempting to wallbreak or pick off opponents, Leaf Storm becomes somewhat redundant once Serp reaches +6. Giga Drain is an excellent backup move.
As for coverage, I'd LOVE Dark Pulse. It's neutral on Steel-types now, scores a super effective hit on Trevenant, and has that awesome flinch chance. Does anything wall Grass/Dark?