Pokémon Sylveon

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Yeah I was just wondering since Glaceon picks it up, wishful thinking I guess.

You haven't included counters for sylveon in the first post, but at the moment it really struggles against steel types even with shadow ball. Metagross, Forretress and Aegislash do heavy damage to it with any steel attack. Lucario bullet punch or flash cannon also hurts. Garchomp can easily counter with poison jab. Anything I missed?
 
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I don't see Garchomp as a counter (it's not switching in on moonblast for sure).

Venusaur/Mega Venusaur walls and outspeeds Sylveon, only having to worry about Psyshock, which I don't think is that common as it usually runs Moonblast/Shadow ball for perfect coverage on a sub-calm mind set (unless they opt to run 3 moves). Sleep powder completely stops Sylveon from doing any wish passing and gives Venusaur time to heal off damage from switching in on a psyshock.
 
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Soooo, I kind of fucked up regarding my sylveon since I had not played pokemon for a good while.
I did not know Wish had to be bred and passed on.

So right now I have a shiny calm natured sylveon without any egg moves.
Is there any other defensive set I can go for to make it into a sponge or something?
 
Tias said:
Soooo, I kind of fucked up regarding my sylveon since I had not played pokemon for a good while.
I did not know Wish had to be bred and passed on.

So right now I have a shiny calm natured sylveon without any egg moves.
Is there any other defensive set I can go for to make it into a sponge or something?
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You can try the calm mind with draining kiss set some of us are running.
 
Running this set with Sylveon now with some success.

Sylveon @ Choice Specs
Pixilate
252 Hp/252 SpA/4 SpD
Draining Kiss
Echoed Voice
Shadow Ball
Psyshock

I didn't set-up anything for it. Just switching in and out depending on situations. Echoed Voice hits like a truck even on the 1st turn (Unless being resisted or special walls coming in), getting most mons down by at least ~40% hp when being hit neutrally. Well, Echoed Voice will be replaced by Hyper Voice as soon as Pokebank is released.
 
I've been using Specs Sylveon to great success as well. It's stats and typing just fit it well, as Fairy is amazing offensively as well as defensively. Plus, nobody expects an offensive Sylveon, ever. Base 110 SpAtk with Pixilate Hyper Voice does incredible damage. Coverage move-wise it's definitely lacking, but considering you will be clicking Hyper Voice 90% of the time it doesn't really matter. You can see it as a specially based Azumarill. Slow, but solid bulk and incredible power. Apparently Hyper Voice is not available yet on Showdown, but Moonblast gets similar results. Just try it out, you won't be disappointed by Sylveon.

Sylveon @ Choice Specs
Trait: Pixilate
EVs: 92 HP / 136 Def / 196 SAtk / 84 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hyper Voice/Moonblast
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock
- Baton Pass

EV spread seems random, but it serves a purpose and from my experience it's the best way to maximize its potential. EV's outspeed minimal speed Skarmory and Politoed and anything slower like Trevenant/Jellicent etc. Sylveon is slow but it's worth outspeeding those for sure. Sylveon already has high base HP and SpDef, so investing in Def seemed the best option. It hits 354 HP/200 Def with this spread which is enough to tank some physical hits as well, and lets it switch into pokes like Dragonite much better. The EV's let it hit 502 SpAtk with Specs which is pretty damn strong. Like I said Hyper Voice is the key move, all the other moves are filler (though Psyshock does hit Blissey harder, worth mentioning I guess). Baton Pass can be useful if you predict a Steel-type to come in so you can swap out to Magnezone (FairyMag is really good and probably what you should be using if you use Sylveon). But it's also filler really because you literally don't have good other options barring maybe HP Ground for Heatran, which is still ehhh.

Why would you use this over Gardevoir, who is stronger and faster? The answer is simply that Sylveon resists Bug and Dark and isn't weak to Ghost. It's a much better pivot switch. Psychic also isn't nearly as good offensively anymore as it used to be. Plus you have that overlapping Super Effective hit on Fighting types with Gardevoirs dual STAB. I prefer Sylveon. They are different pokes really, just pick the one that fills its role better than the other.
 
I drive Sylveon with Hp 4/ S Def 252/ S Atk 252 with Wish, Protect, Moon Blast and Psyshock to target low defences in Calm nature. Do you guys think I should redo a new with HP Ground and your listed Ev spreads or just stick with what I've got and render a new moveset? Can you give me pro's and Con's with my Sylveon.
 
What about a special tank build?

Sylveon @ Assault Vest
Pixilate
252HP/252SpA/4SpD
Modest
- Draining Kiss
- Hyper Voice
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock

With Draining Kiss, it can actually heal itself while still having the Assault Vest. Hyper Voice and Shadow Ball provide flawless neutral coverage, and Psyshock prevents special walls from checking you. You won't be outspeeding anything, but then again that's kind of the point of bulky offense.
 
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Alopex said:
What about a special tank build?

Sylveon @ Assault Vest
Pixilate
252HP/252Att/4SpD
Modest
- Draining Kiss
- Hyper Voice
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock

With Draining Kiss, it can actually heal itself while still having the Assault Vest. Hyper Voice and Shadow Ball provide flawless neutral coverage, and Psyshock prevents special walls from checking you. You won't be outspeeding anything, but then again that's kind of the point of bulky offense.
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You mean SpA, right?
 
Alopex said:
What about a special tank build?

Sylveon @ Assault Vest
Pixilate
252HP/252Att/4SpD
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Yeah you wrote Att not SpA. and Pixilate doesn't rub mediocre physical attackers to stop attacking you when you need it to. I know Wish is priority so you can heal or set up team healing. Assualt Vest.. IDK... Leftovers seem to help doing Protect, Wish, Protect. You don't need assualt vest if you have Calm Mind which is supposed to be used with draining kiss to get better regen.
 
Whoops! Yeah, SpA definitely! Haha. Fixed that.

Also, Wish and Calm Mind are great, but they are for very different roles than the one I was proposing. Mine is a tank with perfect coverage and self-healing. You could have Calm Mind and perfect coverage, but you would lose self-healing. You could have Calm Mind, Wish, and near perfect coverage, but then you'd be walled by Blissey. They all have their purposes, and your set might end up being more useful in the long run, but the appeal of running such a tanky attacker with self-healing and nothing to wall it is definitely a tempting one for me... and one that I don't think should be underestimated. I think it could be one of the premier pivots.

That being said, it really does not like priority, so it might be better to invest in Def instead of SpA in order to be tankier and survive those (except a Bullet Punch from Scizor...).
 
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Alopex said:
Whoops! Yeah, SpA definitely! Haha. Fixed that.

Also, Wish and Calm Mind are great, but they are for very different roles than the one I was proposing. Mine is a tank with perfect coverage and self-healing. You could have Calm Mind and perfect coverage, but you would lose self-healing. You could have Calm Mind, Wish, and near perfect coverage, but then you'd be walled by Blissey. They all have their purposes, and your set might end up being more useful in the long run, but the appeal of running such a tanky attacker with self-healing and nothing to wall it is definitely a tempting one for me... and one that I don't think should be underestimated. I think it could be one of the premier pivots.

That being said, it really does not like priority, so it might be better to invest in Def instead of SpA in order to be tankier and survive those (except a Bullet Punch from Scizor...).
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If you're gonna use self healing moves as a means of recovery instead of leftovers, then it becomes impractical to run 252 EVs in HP. Draining Kiss and likewise restore HP equal to half of the damage given, so it isn't a set percentage (i.e. leftovers, sitrus, recovery, wish, rest, etc.). This means that instead of having a large amount of HP, it should be more HP efficient to make each hit point more valuable. Ergo, instead of running:

Sylveon @ Assault Vest
Trait: Pixilate
252HP/252SpA/4SpD
Nature: Modest
- Draining Kiss
- Hyper Voice
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock

Running this one might increase Sylveon's survivability

Sylveon @ Assault Vest
Trait: Pixilate
252Def/252SpA/4SpD
Nature: Modest
- Draining Kiss
- Hyper Voice
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock

Is this reasoning flawed?
 
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