I wanted to try offensive Sylveon, but I just don't really understand how you can "sweep" with something that slow. It just doesn't seem like you can get more than 2 kills in usual circumstances.
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Pokémon Sylveon
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You don't sweep, you blow holes in the other team's defenses and use something else to clean up.
Sylveon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 HP / 136 SpA / 120 SpD
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Heal Bell
- Protect
- Wish
Interesting set I came up with (hope this hasn't been created yet). The moves are standard Cleric, the EVs are really the highlight of this. 120 Special Defense EVs and Max HP allow it to survive the 2HKO from LO Landorus-I Earth Power, which is huge if Landorus is not carrying Sludge Wave. Hyper Voice 2HKOs Landy in return. I've found it to be a great Lando-I check in addition to checking a lot of other things (Greninja, Special Thundy).
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 120 SpD Sylveon: 165-196 (41.8 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
136+ SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus: 204-241 (63.9 - 75.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Just for comparison, Clefable doesn't fare nearly as well in this regard.
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Clefable: 183-216 (46.4 - 54.8%) -- 9.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 192-227 (48.7 - 57.6%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO
Small niche Sylveon has over Clefable. Clef either needs to set-up and give up Life Orb to soft check, or can't check with a max SpD build.
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 HP / 136 SpA / 120 SpD
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Heal Bell
- Protect
- Wish
Interesting set I came up with (hope this hasn't been created yet). The moves are standard Cleric, the EVs are really the highlight of this. 120 Special Defense EVs and Max HP allow it to survive the 2HKO from LO Landorus-I Earth Power, which is huge if Landorus is not carrying Sludge Wave. Hyper Voice 2HKOs Landy in return. I've found it to be a great Lando-I check in addition to checking a lot of other things (Greninja, Special Thundy).
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 120 SpD Sylveon: 165-196 (41.8 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
136+ SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus: 204-241 (63.9 - 75.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Just for comparison, Clefable doesn't fare nearly as well in this regard.
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Clefable: 183-216 (46.4 - 54.8%) -- 9.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 192-227 (48.7 - 57.6%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO
Small niche Sylveon has over Clefable. Clef either needs to set-up and give up Life Orb to soft check, or can't check with a max SpD build.
That's actually pretty cool. However, Sp. Def Clef or (if switching into Psychic / Knock Off / Focus Blast) Phys. Def Clef can both check, as
0 SpA Clefable Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Landorus: 336-396 (105.3 - 124.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Sylveon doesn't learn Ice Beam, so they both check Lando about equally. Also, with non - invested defense, this happens -
252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 232-274 (58.8 - 69.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (scarfchomp)
252 Atk Terrakion Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 231-273 (58.6 - 69.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
With this in mind, consider running 252 HP / 136 Defense / 80 Sp.Atk / 40 Sp.Def.
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 40 SpD Sylveon: 175-208 (44.4 - 52.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
80 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus: 178-210 (55.7 - 65.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
You still beat Lando.
252 Atk Terrakion Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 136+ Def Sylveon: 175-207 (44.4 - 52.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
80 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Terrakion: 320-380 (99 - 117.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
Terrakion can't 2HKO anymore, and you still OHKO.
80 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 338-398 (94.6 - 111.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 136+ Def Sylveon: 177-208 (44.9 - 52.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Garchomp is checked as well.
Please note that Life Orb Terrakion and Garchomp still 2HKO, but Scarves are IMO better due to Zard X.
Speaking of Zard X, my spread tanks one Flare Blitz, allowing you to check it in an emergency.
252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 136+ Def Sylveon: 307-363 (77.9 - 92.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Your spread is OHKOed.
Clefable does not have room to run Ice Beam on any of its sets and it's useless anyway because STAB + Fire hits everything you need to hit outside of Heatran.
Obviously there are more physically defensive variants, I just made that one for a Landorus-I weak team of mine. Being a specially defensive Fairy with that spread allows it to absorb a truckload of attacks, support the team, and smack back with Hyper Voice. Also, as Karxrida said, Clef often can't afford to run Ice Beam in a slot. It's got too many other things it wants to run.
I'm sorry if this is the wrong place for this, or if this has already been explained. There are twenty five pages in this thread and I don't really have the time to sift through every post looking for my answer, so please humor me.
How is it possible to legally obtain the Cleric set with Pixilate?
I get that Heal Bell and Hyper Voice are B2W2-only tutored moves and that Wish is an egg move in all generations. How is it possible to have Wish and Anticipation on the same Eevee in B2W2 given that (as far as I know) the hidden ability for Eevee and all of its evolutions were only distributed as male and the breeding mechanics disallowing males to pass their hidden ability in generation 5.
Unless I'm missing something, I don't understand how I can get this set on my XY physical game. I've been using this set extensively on Showdown and would really like to take it on the real WiFi.
Please tell me I'm missing something.
How is it possible to legally obtain the Cleric set with Pixilate?
I get that Heal Bell and Hyper Voice are B2W2-only tutored moves and that Wish is an egg move in all generations. How is it possible to have Wish and Anticipation on the same Eevee in B2W2 given that (as far as I know) the hidden ability for Eevee and all of its evolutions were only distributed as male and the breeding mechanics disallowing males to pass their hidden ability in generation 5.
Unless I'm missing something, I don't understand how I can get this set on my XY physical game. I've been using this set extensively on Showdown and would really like to take it on the real WiFi.
Please tell me I'm missing something.
If memory serves, you can catch a female Eevee in the Dream World Park Area. Since DW closed down quite some time ago, your best option is to trade.
Thank you. I'll see what I can come up with.
Necrobump, sorry ;u;
I just wanted to bring up how amazing Specs Sylveon is in ORAS right now as a wallbreaker. With the right coverage moves, hardly any of its checks can switch in safely. Granted you'll have to choose only one Hidden Power, which will leave you vulnerable to the other mons in the tier that are weak to any other Hidden Power, but whichever one you choose that's tailored to the mon trying to switch in to you, it does massive amounts of damage, sometimes even OHKOs:
When running Shadow Ball:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Metagross: 278-328 (92.3 - 108.9%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Metagross: 236-278 (78.4 - 92.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Jirachi: 184-218 (45.5 - 53.9%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong: 166-196 (49.1 - 57.9%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 254-300 (74.4 - 87.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
When running Psyshock:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Psyshock vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 214-254 (59.6 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (calc was used on offensive Mega Venusaur, as its defensive variants are outclassed with Mega Sableye and Mega Slowbro being the premier stall megas right now, but even then:)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Mega Venusaur: 160-190 (43.9 - 52.1%) -- 17.6% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Amoonguss: 230-272 (53.2 - 62.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recover
When running Hidden Power Ground:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Ground vs. 248 HP / 220+ SpD Heatran: 272-324 (70.6 - 84.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Ground vs. 172 HP / 0 SpD Magnezone: 420-496 (129.6 - 153%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Ground vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Mega Camerupt: 184-218 (53.6 - 63.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Ground vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Empoleon: 136-162 (36.5 - 43.5%) -- 99.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery (not much Empoleon can do back since they normally don't run Flash Cannon)
When running Hidden Power Fire:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Ferrothorn: 268-316 (76.1 - 89.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 100 SpD Mega Scizor: 348-412 (101.4 - 120.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
The list for what it breaks with Hyper Voice has most likely been repeated constantly, as this post was about its coverage options that most people believe are "filler" for Specs Sylveon, which is no longer the case for ORAS.
So judging by what we see here, HP Ground hits a heck of a lot more targets than HP Fire (you could bring up Klefki, but that's hit by both HPs) so it's a lot more optimal to run Ground over Fire. With Mega Metagross running around in S rank, Shadow Ball is a monstrously destructive move against him, with a chance of OHKOing when Gross is in its base form. Being able to hit Jirachi and Bronzong for great damage is a nice bonus as well. Psyshock, from what I could gather, is the only other decent coverage option Sylveon has, and it hits the Poisons that resist Hyper Voice.
I just wanted to bring up how amazing Specs Sylveon is in ORAS right now as a wallbreaker. With the right coverage moves, hardly any of its checks can switch in safely. Granted you'll have to choose only one Hidden Power, which will leave you vulnerable to the other mons in the tier that are weak to any other Hidden Power, but whichever one you choose that's tailored to the mon trying to switch in to you, it does massive amounts of damage, sometimes even OHKOs:
When running Shadow Ball:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Metagross: 278-328 (92.3 - 108.9%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Metagross: 236-278 (78.4 - 92.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Jirachi: 184-218 (45.5 - 53.9%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong: 166-196 (49.1 - 57.9%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 254-300 (74.4 - 87.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
When running Psyshock:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Psyshock vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 214-254 (59.6 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (calc was used on offensive Mega Venusaur, as its defensive variants are outclassed with Mega Sableye and Mega Slowbro being the premier stall megas right now, but even then:)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Mega Venusaur: 160-190 (43.9 - 52.1%) -- 17.6% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Amoonguss: 230-272 (53.2 - 62.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recover
When running Hidden Power Ground:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Ground vs. 248 HP / 220+ SpD Heatran: 272-324 (70.6 - 84.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Ground vs. 172 HP / 0 SpD Magnezone: 420-496 (129.6 - 153%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Ground vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Mega Camerupt: 184-218 (53.6 - 63.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Ground vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Empoleon: 136-162 (36.5 - 43.5%) -- 99.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery (not much Empoleon can do back since they normally don't run Flash Cannon)
When running Hidden Power Fire:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Ferrothorn: 268-316 (76.1 - 89.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 100 SpD Mega Scizor: 348-412 (101.4 - 120.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
The list for what it breaks with Hyper Voice has most likely been repeated constantly, as this post was about its coverage options that most people believe are "filler" for Specs Sylveon, which is no longer the case for ORAS.
So judging by what we see here, HP Ground hits a heck of a lot more targets than HP Fire (you could bring up Klefki, but that's hit by both HPs) so it's a lot more optimal to run Ground over Fire. With Mega Metagross running around in S rank, Shadow Ball is a monstrously destructive move against him, with a chance of OHKOing when Gross is in its base form. Being able to hit Jirachi and Bronzong for great damage is a nice bonus as well. Psyshock, from what I could gather, is the only other decent coverage option Sylveon has, and it hits the Poisons that resist Hyper Voice.
I'm not entirely sure if it warrants a new thread. I'd want one because the OP is so bad and outdated to the extreme, but to me that'd set a precedent in that we'd have to create a new thread for just about anything that got a discussion thread during pre-bank meta, and that's quite a lot of threads.
If anything, the OP just needs to be updated. Sylveon didn't really gain anything new in ORAS that I'm aware of.
No, but it did become a much bigger threat due to the environment changing around it. Regardless, the OP and the posts following it are so eye-searing right now and just do not represent Sylveon well at all.
That's why I believe that it needs a new thread completely. It's not just the OP; the comments right after it also don't represent Sylveon's newer self, and people might still believe that Florges could go toe to toe with in terms of viability.... =.=
To be fair, the comments also reflect Sylveon in the pre-bank meta. If we alter the OP, most people would probably know to read later posts instead for info.
So, I've seen Sylveon has its cleric set and the Choice Specs set (arguably its best set right now), but are there any other sets viable in the ORAS meta right now?
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