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Not really considering it's super effective, moonblast could potentially kill if already weakened and you can protect some of that off. Also not all chomps are packing it so you can atleast stay a hit, wish it off later after switching to something better suited :) Although that flinch chance is a problem but I think just knowing it can survive so much power is reassuring
 
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testsubordinate said:
Sylveon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Pixilate
Modest Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
- Hyper Voice
- Draining Kiss
- Psyshock
- Hidden Power [Fire]
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I have tried this exact set before and I say it does work, but not as effectively as one would hope. Hyper Voice is damn powerful, but the other attacks are weak without SE bonuses. You might want to run HP Ground over HP Fire for Heatran switchins.


Lately I've added Sylveon to a Shadow Tag trap and stall/defensive team. I have Ferrothorn, Mandibuzz, Alomomola, and Sylveon on this team. Alomo and Sylveon make a great Wish passing and Protect scouting core. The giant Luvdisc is physically defensive with a Rocky Helmet and Sylveon is the standard cleric set but fully specially defensive. Ferrothorn can safely switchin to the attacks that Alomo and Sylveon are weak to and Mandibuzz plays a defensive role to handle other Pokemon the others struggle against.

The viability whores say Sylveon is outclassed but I know that is bs. Clefable has a nice ability with the same HP as Sylvee but that 90 SDef just does not cut it. Heal Bell removes status, Ferrothorn blocks Leech Seed, and Mandibuzz removes hazards, so Magic Guard is less needed. Sorry Cleffy. And for Chansey, although she is bulkier than Sylvee, she is vulnerable to Knock Off and cannot get past Sableye. While my team is prepared for most top tier threats, it does an awful job fighting off Conkeldurrs (especially with Guts) and Sableye without Sylveon and his screaming. Finally, I ask if Sylveon really does outclass Florges. Due to Florges' lower HP stat and lack of Hyper Voice, I'll stick to Sylveon.
 
252 Atk Choice Band Garchomp Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sylveon: 248-292 (62.9 - 74.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

That's still way too much damage.
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That's not even factoring in that flinch chance that can completely screw it over. In my opinion, only a Defense-invested Sylveon can avoid being super-squishy, so offensive Sylveon will have a hard time dealing with strong physical attackers running around in OU, especially considering how slow it is. Even physical attackers aside, Gengar is a common staple in OU and even that will give it problems. So if Sylveon is to be used in OU, it may be best utilized in a stall team. That's just my take on it anyway, I could be wrong.
 
BronzePhoenix said:
That's not even factoring in that flinch chance that can completely screw it over. In my opinion, only a Defense-invested Sylveon can avoid being super-squishy, so offensive Sylveon will have a hard time dealing with strong physical attackers running around in OU, especially considering how slow it is. Even physical attackers aside, Gengar is a common staple in OU and even that will give it problems. So if Sylveon is to be used in OU, it may be best utilized in a stall team. That's just my take on it anyway, I could be wrong.
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I used a mixed defensive sylveon on an offensive team built around mega medicham. What people often forget about sylveon is how well it checks or counters common pokes on hyper offence. It also destroys most of hyper offence with its fairy screams. I particularly enjoy using sylveon with mega Cham. Sylv can heal bell it of annoying status wish pass and sit in front of fast physical special attackers that Cham hates. Sylveon is a really good pivot on offense and balanced simply because it's one offensive attack hypervoice destroys everything it needs to and is ridiculously powerful. It can 2hko the most common pokes on hyper offence with its fairy screams. It also has great team utility acting as safety net in case you predicted your opponent wrong and got your sweeper weakened or statused. I often use wish to make switching into stuff like mega maw or Lando easier for the other members of a team.
 
Turducken64 said:
I used a mixed defensive sylveon on an offensive team built around mega medicham. What people often forget about sylveon is how well it checks or counters common pokes on hyper offence. It also destroys most of hyper offence with its fairy screams. I particularly enjoy using sylveon with mega Cham. Sylv can heal bell it of annoying status wish pass and sit in front of fast physical special attackers that Cham hates. Sylveon is a really good pivot on offense and balanced simply because it's one offensive attack hypervoice destroys everything it needs to and is ridiculously powerful. It can 2hko the most common pokes on hyper offence with its fairy screams. It also has great team utility acting as safety net in case you predicted your opponent wrong and got your sweeper weakened or statused. I often use wish to make switching into stuff like mega maw or Lando easier for the other members of a team.
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To be honest, I should have worded my response differently. But that aside, I will agree that Sylveon definitely makes a great wall, and even offensive Sylveon can take special attacks like a champ. I think I can agree with you when you say a Pixilate Hyper Voice from a mixed Sylveon will still hurt, I think there's an extra power boost involved with Pixilate other than the STAB bonus.
 
BronzePhoenix said:
To be honest, I should have worded my response differently. But that aside, I will agree that Sylveon definitely makes a great wall, and even offensive Sylveon can take special attacks like a champ. I think I can agree with you when you say a Pixilate Hyper Voice from a mixed Sylveon will still hurt, I think there's an extra power boost involved with Pixilate other than the STAB bonus.
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30% BP boost. At least, my memory is on BP boost.
 
Sylveon (M) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Pixilate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hyper Voice
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Psyshock
- Baton Pass

With she's Hyper Voice can 2ohko Cresselia, Celeby, Mew, Clefable.. She outspeed bisharp with the timid nature.
 
Specs Sylveon is bait for Mscizor sweep...or MMawile.

Although the normal once can't do much to them either...now I wonder what a good antisteel move on Sylveon is. It doesn't have to be the best move,

oh and Sylveon is one of the best Gen 6 Mons ever and my 4th fav Eeveelution.
 
Well with Specs Sylveon, HP Ground is IMO inferior to HP Fire. HP Ground's only target is Heatran, and it only does

252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Ground vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 268-316 (69.4 - 81.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
however Ferrothorn,

252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ferrothorn: 340-400 (96.5 - 113.6%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
(guaranteed w/ rocks)
Bulky SD MegaZor

252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 216 SpD Mega Scizor: 316-372 (92.1 - 108.4%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
Again, rocks.
Band Zor or more offensive MegaZors are straight up OHKOd.
Forretress-

252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Forretress: 380-448 (107.3 - 126.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Skarmory-

252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Skarmory: 258-304 (77.2 - 91%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
tl;dr HP Fire > HP Ground for specs.
 
Hiddenfreezer said:
Specs Sylveon is bait for Mscizor sweep...or MMawile.

Although the normal once can't do much to them either...now I wonder what a good antisteel move on Sylveon is. It doesn't have to be the best move,

oh and Sylveon is one of the best Gen 6 Mons ever and my 4th fav Eeveelution.
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Well,

252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Mawile: 200-236 (65.7 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

plus Sylveon outspeeds. Also,

252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Scizor: 384-452 (111.6 - 131.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
Panda Monium said:
Well,

252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Mawile: 200-236 (65.7 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

plus Sylveon outspeeds. Also,

252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Scizor: 384-452 (111.6 - 131.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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sylveon and mawile are both base 50's I'm retarded
 
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Panda Monium said:
Well with Specs Sylveon, HP Ground is IMO inferior to HP Fire. HP Ground's only target is Heatran
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I used to think this too, but I realized that Ground hits all three of the types that resist Fairy (Fire, Poison, and Steel). It would be great if people mentioned this instead of using Heatran as the sole justification for using HP Ground over HP Fire. I've never used Specs Sylveon, but I can guarantee you that Ground is better than it seems.
 
testsubordinate said:
I used to think this too, but I realized that Ground hits all three of the types that resist Fairy (Fire, Poison, and Steel). It would be great if people mentioned this instead of using Heatran as the sole justification for using HP Ground over HP Fire. I've never used Specs Sylveon, but I can guarantee you that Ground is better than it seems.
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This sounds great and all until you realize that:
- The only Ground-weak Fire-types you may often see in OU are Charizard X and Heatran. The former is hit much harder by Hyper Voice and the latter likes using Air Balloon making HP Ground useless
- The most common Poison-type is neutral to Ground (Mega Venusaur). And you can run Psyshock for it, anyway
- Other than Heatran, all other common Steels are weak to Fire. Then you have SCIZOR (Would you like it to switch in and get free setup due to you being locked on a weak move? Or making it doubt if you can roast it with HP Fire?), Ferrothorn and Skarmory who are not weak to HP Ground
 
dEnIsSsS said:
Specs Sylveon can actually work. Just give it the right team support. If it is locked on Hyper Voice it can be used as set up bait for Mega Scizor, Mega Mawile or Mega Zard-X, so my recommendation is to team up with Landorus-T, Heatran, Mega Zard-X/Y or Skarmory. Sylveon works as an amazing tank. Send it against something that can't hurt it properly (fairy typing + amazing special bulk helps a lot) and spam Hyper Voices. HP ground and Psyshock would rarely be used, since they are very weak against anything not named Heatran or Amoonguss.
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How exactly is Specs Sylveon setup bait for Zard X?
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard X: 321-378 (108 - 127.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
On bulkier variants,
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 144 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard X: 321-378 (96.3 - 113.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
Also,
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 132 HP / 0 SpD Mega Mawile: 146-172 (53.2 - 62.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
M-Mawile does use speed to outspeed Sylv, this happens if Sylv is bulkier, but max spe Sylv outspeeds mega mawile.
252+ Atk Huge Power Mawile Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 394-465 (100 - 118%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Also, Psyshock 2HKOs MegaSaur.
 
Specs Sylveon's Hyper Voice hits like a truck.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Scizor: 166-196 (48.3 - 57.1%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO
2HKO w/ rocks. And 252+ Atk Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 306-362 (77.6 - 91.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
which does mostly KO w/ rocks.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Forretress: 211-249 (59.7 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Not convinced? 252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 132 HP / 0 SpD Mega Mawile: 146-172 (53.2 - 62.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ferrothorn: 123-145 (34.9 - 41.1%) -- 69.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
This isn't toooo impressive, but 0 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 175-207 (44.4 - 52.5%) -- 19.9% chance to 2HKO, and since Sylv outspeeds, a Ferrothorn on the switch loses. Gyro Ball does less BTW.
And lastly, 252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Skarmory: 186-219 (55.6 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
These are all common OU fairy resists that still, despite resisting the move, are destroyed by Hyper voice.
However, one walls him. It's kinda obvious who, but 252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 248 HP / 220+ SpD Heatran: 49-58 (12.7 - 15%) -- possibly the worst move ever. I mean, that sucks, but he's still really great specs'd.
 
dEnIsSsS said:
The Charizard player can mega evolve later, if you don't know about that trick

252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 144 HP / 0 SpD Charizard (Bulky Dragon Dance): 160-189 (48 - 56.7%) -- 89.1% chance to 2HKO

252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Flare Blitz vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 408-480 (104 - 122.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO <= Mega Zard can force the Sylveon player to switch out and if you need Sylveon to check another Pokemon from the opposing side you are screwed.

And everybody knows that sometimes one boost = gg
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Well, that's true, but STEALTH ROCK.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 144 HP / 0 SpD Charizard: 160-189 (48 - 56.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
Edit: Plus there's tons of priority in OU such as Mega Mawile SP, TF BB, Luke Espeed (not as viable, but still) , and many scarfers e.g Chomp, Keldeo, Terrakion, and even Lati@s (not as common anymore), or even ScarfGar. Any good team should have one of those for setup sweepers normally.
Double Edit: And Adamant Char-X sucks, getting outsped by all +nature base 100s pre-dance, and Jolly Scarf Exca and Rotom-W post-dance. The calc is
252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 372-438 (94.4 - 111.1%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO, also using the bulky usage set isn't fair, since actually, Roost > FB on it. So, 252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard: 160-189 (53.8 - 63.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO.
So unless you have a Zard set that's not normal, Sylv can (possibly) win.
 
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Any idea for wish on the last slot for specs set? Allows it to switch into knock-offs if needed and still keep itself healthy after that
 
dEnIsSsS said:
you are considering that things will always be the way you just described. Keep in mind that people use Zard as late game sweeper too. Your opponent will be sure that his side is clean of hazards and your potential revenge killers are either dead or paralyzed (or w/e shit) before trying to set up.

I said previously that Sylveon needed team mates that could do something about set up sweepers. Read the post before replying.
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So your argument is that Zard X sweeps when its counters are removed, then you said that Sylveon's partners should be able to KO set-up sweepers. But following your logic, Sylveon's partners will be KOed before Zard sweeps.
 
dEnIsSsS said:
OH lol yeah.. That's how a Charizard user would win a game. All I wanted to say is that Specs Sylveon needs partners to check set up sweepers, but being locked into Hyper Voice can still be troublesome sometimes. Sorry if I was unclear :S
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252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Scizor: 166-196 (48.3 - 57.1%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO
2HKO w/ rocks. And 252+ Atk Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 306-362 (77.6 - 91.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
which does mostly KO w/ rocks.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Forretress: 211-249 (59.7 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Not convinced? 252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 132 HP / 0 SpD Mega Mawile: 146-172 (53.2 - 62.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ferrothorn: 123-145 (34.9 - 41.1%) -- 69.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
This isn't toooo impressive, but 0 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 175-207 (44.4 - 52.5%) -- 19.9% chance to 2HKO, and since Sylv outspeeds, a Ferrothorn on the switch loses. Gyro Ball does less BTW.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Skarmory: 186-219 (55.6 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 196 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 189-223 (54.6 - 64.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 123-146 (41.4 - 49.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Blissey: 216-255 (30.2 - 35.7%) -- 36.1% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 28 HP / 80 SpD Gengar: 160-189 (59.7 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Amoonguss: 167-197 (38.6 - 45.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 198-234 (54.8 - 64.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 198-234 (46.6 - 55.1%) -- 89.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
These are all common OU resists / special walls that are screwed by HV despite resists / bulk. Please don't even post Heatran, we all know what happens.
 
Panda Monium said:
This isn't toooo impressive, but 0 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 175-207 (44.4 - 52.5%) -- 19.9% chance to 2HKO, and since Sylv outspeeds, a Ferrothorn on the switch loses. Gyro Ball does less BTW.
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No, it doesn't. Remember to use a -Spd nature along with 0 Speed IVs to maximize Gyro Ball's damage.
0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (97 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 282-332 (71.5 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Still not a OHKO even with rocks, but comes reeeeeeeeeeeeally close (chances of OHKOing after taking SR damage are pretty damn high)
 
Deaga said:
No, it doesn't. Remember to use a -Spd nature along with 0 Speed IVs to maximize Gyro Ball's damage.
0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (97 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 282-332 (71.5 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Still not a OHKO even with rocks, but comes reeeeeeeeeeeeally close (chances of OHKOing after taking SR damage are pretty damn high)
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But even though Sylv is kinda dead, he's still beaten Ferro on the switch. (e.g. Ferro comes in, eats a HV. Then he takes another and Gyros. Sylv barely survives and finishes Ferro off w/ the last HV.)
 
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